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To: george76

“TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND CASES PER MILLION - in unvaxxed times it was just FOUR PER MILLION”

For accuracy, in pre-covid times it was four per million. Myocarditis is far more likely to be caused by COVID than by the vaccine.


9 posted on 01/07/2023 4:48:50 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke

prove it. let’s see your paper.


13 posted on 01/07/2023 4:54:31 PM PST by dadfly ( )
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To: DugwayDuke

>> Myocarditis is far more likely to be caused by COVID than by the vaccine.

And those that got the vax are getting COVID. So perhaps it is the vax


14 posted on 01/07/2023 4:55:55 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: DugwayDuke

Myocarditis is far more likely to be caused by COVID than by the vaccine.


Possibly, but why don’t we know? Why not study this and put the data out there for people to look at and consider?

There are two competing hypotheses and perhaps neither can be disproven about myocarditis, but you cannot deny either the “Covid” hypothesis or the “Vax injury” hypothesis at this point.

I am certain that at the very least certain batches of the vaccine caused a lot of harm. I knew two people who died within 24 hours of vaccination. One of them had certainly had Covid prior to the vaccine so perhaps that is muddled, but the other was uncertain and was not sick if they did. Shot - dead in 24 hours.

I want answers. By any prior standard of pharmaceutical safety these shots should NOT be on the market and no immunity should be granted. The “emergency” is over. Take away the immunity and see if Pfizer and Moderna keep these on the market. If they are safe, why the continued immunity when they are recommending that we take them like an influenza vaccine?

They were in a rush to make these things and even the VAERS data shows spikes with certain lots of the vaccines. We also know that injection can influence this if not intramuscular.

We have been lied to FRiend. Just admit it. Some people had good intentions but I ran out of patience for them a long time ago. Young people and healthy adults should not be vaccinated. People with high risk factors for Covid have the same risks for other common diseases..... give them the data and let them make their own decision, but what we are witnessing is evil.


20 posted on 01/07/2023 5:03:15 PM PST by volunbeer (We are living 2nd Thessalonians)
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To: DugwayDuke
Myocarditis is far more likely to be caused by COVID than by the vaccine.

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Then it's a damned good thing that the jab prevents infection.

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/s

23 posted on 01/07/2023 5:07:32 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: DugwayDuke

Interesting, since in 2020 there was not the same plague of myocarditis. But if one keeps telling themselves that covid causes it and that help them then...okay.


34 posted on 01/07/2023 5:18:32 PM PST by week 71
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To: DugwayDuke; dadfly; Gene Eric
For accuracy, in pre-covid times it was four per million. Myocarditis is far more likely to be caused by COVID than by the vaccine.

But before January 2021 it wasn't even more likely in people who had covid:

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study

by Ortal Tuvali[1], Sagi Tshori[2],†, Estela Derazne[3] [ORCID], Rebecca Regina Hannuna[2], Arnon Afek[3,4], Dan Haberman[1], Gal Sella[1] and Jacob George[1]
[1] Heart Center, Kaplan Medical Center, Rehovot, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91905, Israel
[2] Research Authority, Rehovot, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91905, Israel
[3] Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 6997801, Israel
[4] General Management, The Chaim Sheba Medical Centre, Tel Hashomer, Ramat-Gan 52621, Israel

J. Clin. Med. 2022, 11(8), 2219; https://doi.org/10.3390/jcm11082219

Abstract

Myocarditis and pericarditis are potential post-acute cardiac sequelae of COVID-19 infection, arising from adaptive immune responses. We aimed to study the incidence of post-acute COVID-19 myocarditis and pericarditis. Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in Clalit Health Services members in Israel between March 2020 and January 2021. Inpatient myocarditis and pericarditis diagnoses were retrieved from day 10 after positive PCR. Follow-up was censored on 28 February 2021, with minimum observation of 18 days. The control cohort of 590,976 adults with at least one negative PCR and no positive PCR were age- and sex-matched. Since the Israeli vaccination program was initiated on 20 December 2020, the time-period matching of the control cohort was calculated backward from 15 December 2020. Nine post-COVID-19 patients developed myocarditis (0.0046%), and eleven patients were diagnosed with pericarditis (0.0056%). In the control cohort, 27 patients had myocarditis (0.0046%) and 52 had pericarditis (0.0088%). Age (adjusted hazard ratio [aHR] 0.96, 95% confidence interval [CI]; 0.93 to 1.00) and male sex (aHR 4.42; 95% CI, 1.64 to 11.96) were associated with myocarditis. Male sex (aHR 1.93; 95% CI 1.09 to 3.41) and peripheral vascular disease (aHR 4.20; 95% CI 1.50 to 11.72) were associated with pericarditis. Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with either myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56) or pericarditis (aHR 0.53; 95% CI 0.25 to 1.13). We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection.

45 posted on 01/07/2023 5:29:26 PM PST by fluorescence
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To: DugwayDuke

Prove it. That is just nonsense since nobody got myocarditis from your fake virus.


49 posted on 01/07/2023 5:32:06 PM PST by bray (My book, The Republic of Texas explains everything )
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To: DugwayDuke
For accuracy, in pre-covid times it was four per million. Myocarditis is far more likely to be caused by COVID than by the vaccine.

From what I can tell with some quick searches the rate was up up about 42% in 2020 compared to 2019. Certainly an increase but not remotely as significant as going from 4 to 25,000 per million would be a 62,500% increase.

It would be wonderful to have a handy graph of cases month by month from a source that is trustworthy (without an agenda).

What are your numbers that you base your assertion on?

55 posted on 01/07/2023 5:36:35 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: DugwayDuke
Myocarditis is far more likely to be caused by COVID than by the vaccine.

You are not going to change any minds with facts. People only to hear what reinforces what they already believe.

63 posted on 01/07/2023 5:44:27 PM PST by libh8er
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To: DugwayDuke

Still picking up that paycheck I see


74 posted on 01/07/2023 5:51:09 PM PST by roving ( Pronouns- libs/suk)
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To: DugwayDuke
Myocarditis is far more likely to be caused by COVID than by the vaccine.

For those that say myocarditis is caused by COVID, the "spike protein" is specifically cited as the causative agent. Interestingly enough, the MRNA jabs cause the body to produce spike proteins. I wonder what the logical result of that would be?
95 posted on 01/07/2023 6:25:49 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: DugwayDuke
For accuracy, in pre-covid times it was four per million. Myocarditis is far more likely to be caused by COVID than by the vaccine.

An absolute lie. Coronaviruses have been around for thousands of years and could have possibly contributed to the four cases per million people per year, whereas the increase to 25,000 per million would be caused by something else that hasn't been around for thousands of years.

130 posted on 01/07/2023 7:05:58 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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The vaccine cause myocarditis.

How come no other influenza or coronavirus was causing myocarditis before?

Why inject people with mRNA causing alpha-spike production when the alpha variant has been gone for at least 2.5 years? The spike is the most pathogenic part of the virus.

Get your boosters.


209 posted on 01/07/2023 11:58:38 PM PST by SecAmndmt (Cv19 vaccines are Phase 2 of the CCP bioweapon)
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To: DugwayDuke
Myocarditis is far more likely to be caused by COVID than by the vaccine.

Except that there even with this massive increase in Myocarditis there is not even one study that show that in the unvaxxed there is any increase at all. And this increase in myocarditis has not been noted in countries with low vaccination rates. So dream on Dugaway and go get another booster for the rest of us. Your supply of spike proteins is no doubt starting to wane. You might not even be shedding enough to make your loved ones sick.

235 posted on 01/08/2023 6:13:25 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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