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April 19, 1993: 30 years since the Waco siege ended | What went wrong? Who was responsible?
as.com ^ | 18 April 2023 | Calum Roche

Posted on 04/19/2023 4:36:06 AM PDT by ShadowAce

Three decades ago to the day, the Waco siege came to a tragic end. It shares its gruesome anniversary with another horrific event, that of the Oklahoma City bombing, but what do we remember about what happened in the Texas city also known for the birthplace of Dr Pepper, the Texas Ranger Hall of Fame and the Texas Sports Hall of Fame.

What happened in the Waco siege?

The siege occurred in 1993 when the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) attempted to execute a search warrant at the Mount Carmel Center ranch, which was the home of a religious group known as the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. The ATF believed that the group was stockpiling weapons and explosives, and they hoped to arrest their leader, David Koresh, on charges of illegal possession of firearms.

However, the raid quickly turned into a shootout between the ATF and the Branch Davidians, leaving several people dead on both sides. After a 51-day standoff, the FBI launched a tear gas attack on the compound in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians to surrender. However, the compound caught fire, killing 76 people, including Koresh and 25 children.

The Waco siege was highly controversial and sparked debates about the use of force by law enforcement agencies and the government’s handling of religious groups. The tragedy also raised concerns about the potential for violence in religious cults and the need for better communication between law enforcement agencies and these groups.

Waco siege: what went wrong and who was responsible?

On February 28th, the ATF attempted to execute a search warrant at the ranch, which quickly turned into a violent shootout between the ATF and the Branch Davidians. There were several factors that contributed to what went wrong during the siege, including:

When does new Netflix WACO series begin?

To coincide with the 30th anniversary of the tragic Waco siege, Netflix has released an immersive three-part documentary series, directed by acclaimed filmmaker Tiller Russell (Night Stalker). This series is regarded as the definitive account of the events that unfolded in 1993 when cult leader David Koresh faced off against the federal government in a 51-day siege that ended in bloodshed.

The series features exclusive access to never-before-seen videotapes filmed inside the FBI’s Hostage Negotiation Command Post, as well as raw news footage that was never released to the American public and FBI wiretap recordings. With all these resources, Waco: American Apocalypse is touted to provide a unique and compelling perspective on what happened in Waco.

Netflix Documentary Series, Waco: American Apocalypse is available exclusively on Netflix starting March 22nd. It is hoped that this series will shed light on this controversial and tragic event in American history and encourage discussions on the need for better communication and conflict resolution in similar situations.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; clinton; fbi; government; lonhoriuchi; texas; waco
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1 posted on 04/19/2023 4:36:06 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: ShadowAce

In 2023, we know the FBI lies and covers up almost reflexively.


2 posted on 04/19/2023 4:46:40 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: ShadowAce

It’s hard to believe Netflix would have an accurate account.


3 posted on 04/19/2023 4:47:53 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper)
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To: ShadowAce

When the ATF named the original attack “Operation Showtime”, you know what their attitude and aims were. It was not justice or even law enforcement.


4 posted on 04/19/2023 4:49:25 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Democrats' version of MAGA: Making America the Gulag Archipelago )
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To: marktwain

A national police force is neither wanted nor needed in a Free America.


5 posted on 04/19/2023 4:51:21 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: ShadowAce

ATF photo op gone wrong.


6 posted on 04/19/2023 4:52:41 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: ShadowAce

don’t really recall much there to be “debatable” ...the DERPS got away with it and we now have the thugs taking entire national elections....without any pushback to speak of


7 posted on 04/19/2023 4:57:55 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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. . . (ATF) attempted to execute a search warrant . . .

This is not true, which calls into question the entire report and the miniseries it references. There was no attempt to exercise a legal search warrant. If they had walked up to the front door and said they had a search warrant, it's likely (and certainly possible) that no one would have died.

But the ATF Rambos, looking for headlines, went in guns blazing and people started dying.

After the initial fiasco, when things stablized, they still never actually tried to show a search warrant.

My own personal opinion is that Koresh was wrong not to come out once it was clear it really was US government agents who had invested the compound, but the first day was 100% ATF (and their chain of command) fault. And based on that first day, I can see why he felt he had a principle to uphold.

Of course, the fact he was a serial statutory rapist may have had something to do with his refusal to surrender.

I won't be watching this because we don't get Netflix. If they can give tens of millions of dollars to the Obamas, they don't need any of my money. But based on the promo blurb I wouldn't be watching this one anyway.
8 posted on 04/19/2023 4:59:41 AM PDT by Phlyer
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To: Phlyer

Moreau went to town (Waco) regularly to have breakfast at Whataburger. The cops could have easily picked him up on any day.
They wanted to play special ops and have a shootout. They blew it, they were at fault, idiots.


9 posted on 04/19/2023 5:03:17 AM PDT by 9422WMR (45 1. Lie, cheat, steal. It’s how the democRATS operate. )
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To: ShadowAce

I have read that the only FBI/BATF folks killed, were killed by friendly fire.
And coincidently they were previously employed as body guards/state troopers in Arkansas under Clinton.

The Branch Covidians were sacrificed to eliminate a couple of witnesses, to test public response to mass murder by our own government, and to test the effectiveness of propaganda.


10 posted on 04/19/2023 5:05:11 AM PDT by SisterK (it's controlled demolition)
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To: Phlyer

Koresh went into town everyday.
They could have nabbed him then.
Something else was going on.


11 posted on 04/19/2023 5:07:25 AM PDT by SisterK (it's controlled demolition)
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To: ShadowAce

President Clinton, the manwoman Janet Reno, are both at fault for the sacrificial burning of those children, during “ The Inteernational Year Of The Child”!


12 posted on 04/19/2023 5:09:45 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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Janet Reno said she took responsibility?

This is not the first FBI driven insanity.

It was not the last either.

And in wackie Waco, Dravidian's and the Waco Bikers fiasco.

The Fed's feel compelled to use their magnificent database, to find the answers?

13 posted on 04/19/2023 5:13:00 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born but a State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: ShadowAce

Ironically, this series does not exist on netflix.

So the post is moot (it’s an ad for the series).


14 posted on 04/19/2023 5:13:16 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: marktwain

Almost? /sarcasm

Bump


15 posted on 04/19/2023 5:15:01 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born but a State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Highest Authority

“A national police force is neither wanted nor needed in a Free America.”


It is Forbidden the Federal Government. Period.

But they ignore that and do it under a different name.


16 posted on 04/19/2023 5:17:07 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born but a State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: ShadowAce
I think the correct name should be:
The Waco Massacre

One thing that came out of that atrocity though;
The presence of military armor at the Branch Davidian compound answered the question, “Will the military fire on American citizens?” once and for all.

17 posted on 04/19/2023 5:18:17 AM PDT by Tupelo (A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand)
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To: ShadowAce

I saw the program. Maybe a little less swagger by the ATF would have saved some lives. I don’t feel sorry for the ATF agents who are supposedly traumatized. They should have arrested koresh outside the compound when opportunity came, then go to the compound and knock on the door - with a warrant.


18 posted on 04/19/2023 5:18:48 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them )
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To: ShadowAce

Oops: It’s early here. Forgot which app I was in. Also forgot whether I’d seen it.

But I did watch this series the Friday after it came out. It was just ‘ok’, but my memory is that it rubbed me the wrong way, failing to ask the right questions. In fact, it angered me.

iirc, the only revealing detail beyond what I already knew was the lack of a single command on scene. Once the negotiator was sent packing, no one else was released and, save for a handful who escaped, they all died at the hands of HRT’s actions.

But I’m not watching it again to give a detailed account of the flawed series.


19 posted on 04/19/2023 5:24:34 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: marktwain

Amen. Things have gotten worse not better.

The FBI is just one example of the corruption in DC.

Anyone that trusts the FBI deserves what that trust is worth.


20 posted on 04/19/2023 5:30:15 AM PDT by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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