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If I already live in a neighborhood, and HOA tries to claim it, am I forced to become an HOA member? [answer to question]
Quora.com ^ | 2021 | Michelle Clark Miller

Posted on 04/21/2023 5:01:17 PM PDT by daniel1212

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To: Flying Circus
I am mystified why anyone would want to have an HOA.

The need is driven by population density. The order of increasing freedom-sucking tyranny is: federal, state, county, city, HOA, wife.

41 posted on 04/21/2023 6:28:40 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Rurudyne

I’m in Florida. From what I’ve seen. If you own a large parcel and want to sub divide it, the county demands you submit a proposal that details and structures HOA in the process. I don’t think this is voluntary in Florida. If a freeper knows more, this is the place to dispute what I think. Educate us all.
Thanks.


42 posted on 04/21/2023 6:29:46 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: Flying Circus

I live in a large gated community with HOA fees. You’ve got to have some sort of a mechanism to pay for the security at the gates and to maintain the roads and drainage. Worth it to keep the riff-raff out. Also pays for some pools, playgrounds, tennis courts, etc. It’s basically another layer of local government.

There are some rules I don’t much like, but the practical reality here is that many are observed primarily in the breach. For example, technically I was supposed to get a bunch of approvals to put in a low voltage light kit I got at Costco. I just put it in, no one cares, neighbors like it.

Something like this, with a couple of uplights as well:

https://www.costco.com/volt-6-piece-area-light-landscape-lighting-kit.product.100505043.html

Just don’t paint your house pink and you’ll be OK.

Can there be idiot HOAs? Sure. But there can be disadvantages without one as well. Life is all about tradeoffs.


43 posted on 04/21/2023 6:30:11 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 6ppc
We have one but it’s pretty low key...basically exists to keep the street lights going and maintain the landscaping at the entrance.

Same here.

Lived under two HOAs. No problems.

Mow your grass. Don't let your front yard look like a used car lot or your driveway become a year-round flea market. I was fine with this.

Most HOAs exist to keep up property values. Of course, some are overbearing and run by busybodies. But we all have choices. Live under one of you want to, don't live under one if you don't, but if you choose to, you'd better read up on what's permitted.

That's the problem. Either people don't read the rules or they do read the rules but think that they don't apply to them.

And, yes, I realize the original story in this thread is about something completely different.

44 posted on 04/21/2023 6:31:00 PM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024. A real conservative.)
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To: Reeses

Except that being in a community with an HOA is voluntary. If you don’t want to be subject to an HOA, buy a property that’s not subject to one.


45 posted on 04/21/2023 6:32:19 PM PDT by KevinB (Word for the day: "kakistocracy" - a society governed by its least suitable or competent citizens)
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To: George from New England

Well, like I said ... create an anti-HOA. Something that defeats the intent and purpose of such a statute while satisfying the letter of it.

It has to be possible.


46 posted on 04/21/2023 6:32:27 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: daniel1212

The worst people you will ever meet are on HOAs or work for the democrat party.


47 posted on 04/21/2023 6:33:18 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: KevinB
Except that being in a community with an HOA is voluntary. If you don’t want to be subject to an HOA, buy a property that’s not subject to one.

If it's all voluntary, why are there so many nightmare HOA complaint stories?

Are people in HOAs stupid and don't read their contracts? Do they need a lawyer just to read it because it's 40 pages of ultra convoluted legal babble they hope you don't read?

48 posted on 04/21/2023 6:44:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Alberta's Child

Sounds like the presence or absence of a HOA can be a selling point or deal breaker for different parties.


49 posted on 04/21/2023 6:47:05 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: daniel1212

HOA’s have WAY too much power. They’re no longer controlled by homeowners but rather big corporations.


50 posted on 04/21/2023 6:47:16 PM PDT by Smellin Salt
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To: daniel1212

I’d think her family would’ve been grandfathered in and not obligated to join, or pay attention to, any HOA.


51 posted on 04/21/2023 6:48:21 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Drew68
Or they change the rules because the HOA was bought by some mega-corp.

People who live in HOA's are unnaturally interested in what their neighbor is doing.

Something like a cult.

And just like a cult they do not allow you to say you would rather not worship Dagon thank you very much.

It is really a sick, sad mindset.

52 posted on 04/21/2023 6:51:05 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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To: George from New England

These days, almost every subdivided community has open space, storm water management facilities or other facilities that need to be maintained by the community. A local government will insist that an HOA be formed as a condition of subdivision approval so there is a mechanism in place to collect funds for that maintenance. Local governments couldn’t care less whether those HOA’s have architectural controls. The architectural controls are included by the developers and builders so they can be sure that property values are preserved. I am a development attorney and have done the HOA documents for many such subdivisions.


53 posted on 04/21/2023 6:51:46 PM PDT by KevinB (Word for the day: "kakistocracy" - a society governed by its least suitable or competent citizens)
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To: plain talk

We’re in an HOA that had reasonable protocols when we moved in and life was tolerable. Nice homes and yards. Good neighbors. Then the developer got greedy and began to build shitbox cookie-cutter houses that were sub-standard according to the rules — smaller than minimum required square footage, scrunched together.

The newbies across the street from us used theirs for short-term rental like Air B&B (also against the rules), so riff-raff was coming and going all the time. The HOA wouldn’t enforce the rules.

So HOAs ONLY benefit the developer, or the Board can decree whatever they want. An HOA is a mess. Hubby is from SoCal, so he likes the idea; I hate it.


54 posted on 04/21/2023 6:56:22 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Corporations can’t and don’t buy HOA’s. HOA’s are, by definition, owned by the homeowners. And even if a corporation could buy an HOA, why would it? HOA’s are not profit making entities. They typically barely have enough money to fulfill their obligations.


55 posted on 04/21/2023 6:56:48 PM PDT by KevinB (Word for the day: "kakistocracy" - a society governed by its least suitable or competent citizens)
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To: Smellin Salt
I can understand paying for an HOA for lawn mowing, snow removal and preventing neighbors’ yards from becoming Sanford & Son properties.

But when they start dictating what flowers or shrubbery you can plant (within reason), flags you can fly or even requiring that your mailbox match all others in the neighborhood (I’ve seen this), that’s when I’m out.

56 posted on 04/21/2023 6:58:31 PM PDT by daler
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To: Flying Circus

I’m in an HOA as part of a 2800 single home community. It’s a must with that volume of homes. No stiped colored homes. No lawn with two feet of grass. No cars on blocks. Only manicure lawns and basic color homes. It’s paradise! The HOA fee is only 115 a month and that covers all mowing in main areas along with maintaining three pools and three clubhouses. We have two golf courses and a restaurant. It is better then the other non HOA areas I pass buy with Terribly kept up property. Our home values are high compared to other areas as well.


57 posted on 04/21/2023 6:59:33 PM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Something like a cult.

Cult?

I had to mow my lawn and I couldn’t paint my house purple.

58 posted on 04/21/2023 7:00:20 PM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024. A real conservative.)
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To: daler

Problem is that you can’t be out. Live by their rules or face the consequences. I’ve been part of one, and I will never ever do it again. Funny thing is, my property values are increasing on par with theirs.


59 posted on 04/21/2023 7:03:47 PM PDT by Smellin Salt
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To: Rurudyne

We’ve got something like that here. Dues are $5/year. Membership is optional.

The only expenses I recall them talking about - reimbursing an attorney (who also lives in the neighborhood) for copying. The attorney has argued against rezoning/development - sometimes successfully sometimes not.


60 posted on 04/21/2023 7:06:04 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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