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New Innovative System Can Turn Seawater Into Fuel
Scitech Daily ^ | MAY 30, 2023 | By SLAC NATIONAL ACCELERATOR LABORATORY, Stanford University, University Of Oregon

Posted on 05/30/2023 11:54:00 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger

“Hydrogen gas is a low-carbon fuel”

The stupid hurts...

And they only need a few trillion of tax dollars to make it work.


41 posted on 05/30/2023 2:07:07 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Yo-Yo

But the tiny solar panel is a 10 Mega-watt solar panel (not currently available, but commercially available just around the corner).


42 posted on 05/30/2023 2:14:21 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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To: Frohickey
Ding ding! You win! Lol…

I've only worked around the edges of industrial electrolytic processes so am far from an expert. That said… I've worked around aspects of very large operations to produce chorine and sodium hydroxide from saturated brine and magnesium from seawater.

As a guess…. The ideal way to use this double membrane could be to colocate with magnesium production.

Front end feed purification would likely be needed. Large amounts of land area are needed for these unit operations.

Some millions (or billions at a national scale) of gallons per minute of seawater are going to be required. Huge amounts of sodium hydroxide are required to raise the pH thus precipitating out hardness elements. Then, hydrochloric acid is likely used to lower pH so you can strip carbon dioxide (global warming!) from the water.

The electricity requirements are very substantial. Dozens if not more (LOTs more) large power plants will be required. This is of the baseline thermal or nuclear type, not unicorn fart variety.

There will be a small amount of hazardous waste produced in the form of chlorinated hydrocarbons. These are removed and sent to hazardous waste incinerators or perhaps fuel in cement kilns.

There are just a handful of companies worldwide that work at the largest scale of these kinds of production operations.

43 posted on 05/30/2023 2:19:47 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Frohickey

Yeah, turning seawater into fuel is not a trick. Turning seawater into fuel in a process that isn’t a net energy drain would be a trick.


44 posted on 05/30/2023 2:22:00 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Stosh

This is without a doubt the stupidest article I have EVER seen published. Everyone involved with it from the first letter to the clown who hit “Enter” to upload it to the server should be kicked in the nuts.

This is “IFL Science” level bullshittery. Even Neil Degrasse-tyson would keep his distance from this junk.


45 posted on 05/30/2023 2:25:50 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: reviled downesdad

“If I remember my chemistry propane is C3H8 and nat gas is C2H4”

We might both be half right. Looked up “natural gas” and it said it’s a mixture of methane (CH4) and other hydrocarbons.

I doubt that hydrogen will be a common transportation fuel. Nuclear is my favorite. Water power is super but don’t think there are enough dammable lakes.


46 posted on 05/30/2023 3:21:52 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: reviled downesdad

“If I remember my chemistry propane is C3H8 and nat gas is C2H4”

We might both be half right. Looked up “natural gas” and it said it’s a mixture of methane (CH4) and other hydrocarbons.

I doubt that hydrogen will be a common transportation fuel. Nuclear is my favorite. Water power is super but don’t think there are enough dammable lakes.


47 posted on 05/30/2023 3:22:12 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: Red Badger
...bipolar membrane...


48 posted on 05/30/2023 3:27:47 PM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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To: Libloather

“Insane in the membrane...”


49 posted on 05/30/2023 3:30:31 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Red Badger
"New Innovative System Can Turn Seawater Into Fuel"

Better to learn how to synthesize liquid hydrocarbon fuel from carbon in the air and hydrogen in water. As long as the energy input to the process doesn't burn carbon fuels the it wouldn't add carbon to the atmosphere. We've got lots of experience storing liquid fuels for long periods of time.
50 posted on 05/30/2023 4:48:25 PM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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To: Red Badger
I did this inn HS 70 years ago, The h2 gas filled part of the room and someone lite a cig, and we blew out the windows in the HS lab.

I much prefer to run my boat on diesel, no fire problem or explosion.

51 posted on 05/30/2023 6:03:56 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: rdcbn1
Some people need to brush up on their Thermodynamics 101.

ENTROPY RULES.

52 posted on 05/30/2023 7:10:04 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, consultant, pilot, almost chemist, pharmacist)
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To: Yo-Yo

Technically that’s the 2nd Law. 1st Law says the best you can do is break even, 2nd says you can’t even do that.


53 posted on 05/30/2023 7:24:40 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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