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One man's thoughts on Pickett's Charge
General James Longstreet: The Confederacy's Most Controversial Soldier: by Jeffry D. Wert

Posted on 07/03/2023 4:12:26 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

General, I have been a soldier all my life. I have been with soldiers engaged in fights by couples, by squads, companies, regiments, divisions, and armies, and should know, as well as any one, what soldiers can do. It is my opinion that no fifteen thousand men ever arranged for battle can take that position.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: longessay; lotsofinfohere; onemansthoughts; pickettscharge
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1 posted on 07/03/2023 4:12:26 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
I've read General James Longstreet's memoirs - an excellent read.

He was the only Confederate General that President Johnson (not LBJ), would not offer reconciliation to.

When U.S. Grant was elected President, he summoned Longstreet to the White House, returned citizenship to him, and set him up with a job.

I wish that story was more widely known - Grant doesn't even mention it in his autobiography, (much too humble).

2 posted on 07/03/2023 4:21:32 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: Bull Snipe

Wow, Confederate and controversial; who’d ever thought that would happen?


3 posted on 07/03/2023 4:35:02 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ( )
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To: Psalm 73

Longstreet was later reviled among hard ex-Confederates. He became a Republican.


4 posted on 07/03/2023 5:08:10 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Psalm 73

The loss at Gettysburg was avoidable. The last day at Gettysburg was clearly avoidable. Lee should have moved, and picked his ground.

To this day, with Vicksburg under siege, I never understood why Lee went North instead of moving on Grant. Perhaps it’s just his genius that I don’t understand.


5 posted on 07/03/2023 5:09:10 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: Pete Dovgan
"To this day, with Vicksburg under siege, I never understood why Lee went North instead of moving on Grant. Perhaps it's just his genius that I don't understand."

One theory was that Lee's venture north was probably one of desperation to secure an armistice by embarrassing Lincoln and his army with a successful venture into the North's homeland.

Before Vicksburg, the Confederate West was already lost as a supply source for the CSA. The real importance there was Grant's rise to authority through ruthlessness.

6 posted on 07/03/2023 5:28:55 AM PDT by buckalfa (Gut feelings are your guardian angels)
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To: Pete Dovgan
To this day, with Vicksburg under siege, I never understood why Lee went North instead of moving on Grant. Perhaps it’s just his genius that I don’t understand.

Who really knows?

Those in the South fought for their way of life, much like today.

You know how it is today: LBGQTVXY, tyranny (country shut-down and mandated drug injections), locking up political opponents (Jan 6), climate change hysteria, and massive corruption at the highest levels of our government. CONTROL!

Then it was primarily economic power and the country's growth/expansion (new states). CONTROL!

Us vs. them.

Nothing new under the sun!

7 posted on 07/03/2023 5:42:54 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: Bull Snipe

July 3rd 1863, was the death knell of the Republic as the founders envisioned it. Jeffersonian democracy was dead and the end of the war ushered in our current Federal behemoth...


8 posted on 07/03/2023 5:45:40 AM PDT by TallahasseeConservative (Isaiah 40:31)
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To: buckalfa; Pete Dovgan
Brilliant points all.

It's been pretty well documented that Lee's intent in moving North was to try to force an armistice. He knew that he could not beat the North in straight up battles.

What I never understood is why Lee perhaps didn't have sappers blow up the fence that stood between Pickett's army and Hancock.

9 posted on 07/03/2023 5:55:10 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Don't wish your enemy ill; plan it. )
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To: Pete Dovgan
Newt Gingrich (with W. Forsten - "One Second After fame), wrote an alternative historical book: "Gettysburg",
where Lee indeed chose the ground for battle, which turned out to be a marginal Confederate victory - but the end result was the same - the South could not overcome the North's advantages in manpower and industrial capacity.
10 posted on 07/03/2023 6:08:44 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: buckalfa

“One theory was that Lee’s venture north was probably one of desperation to secure an armistice...”

I agree.
Curiously it seems that most historians go out of their way to deny that claim, while acknowledging that two envoys were off the coast at Washington ready to negotiate terms of peace.


11 posted on 07/03/2023 6:18:39 AM PDT by tsomer (ally )
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To: TallahasseeConservative

July 3rd 1863, was the death knell of the Republic as the founders envisioned it. Jeffersonian democracy was dead and the end of the war ushered in our current Federal behemoth...

Family still bitter over losing their slaves?


12 posted on 07/03/2023 6:28:48 AM PDT by TiGuy22
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The recent unpleasantness was not started about slavery.


13 posted on 07/03/2023 6:29:30 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: buckalfa

After visiting the Gettysburg museum recently. Agree that the last day of the battle was the fault of poor leadership or arrogant decisions on part of the confederacy.

Longstreet also advised against Grants decision for a frontal assault into the middle of Meades defenses.


14 posted on 07/03/2023 6:42:42 AM PDT by reviled downesdad (Some of the lost will never believe the Truth and hate you for it.)
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To: TiGuy22

My family owned no slaves. I also have Union men in my blood line. Your comment simply shows your ignorance about the reasons for that conflict. If you were a young man in the South and we’re told that an army of 75,000 was invading your state, what would you do?

Before the War between the States, it was said the “United States are” after the war it became the “United States is”. Tell me what the founders would have thought of that..


15 posted on 07/03/2023 6:49:51 AM PDT by TallahasseeConservative (Isaiah 40:31)
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To: Bull Snipe
Interesting man, with an interesting career. Later served (briefly) as US Ambassador to Ottoman Turkey. Widowed, he remarried at age 76 to a much younger woman. She outlived him, of course, and died in 1962!

Converted to Catholicism during his post-war sojourn in New Orleans, and died a practicing Catholic. (Rather like one of his opposite numbers, General Sherman.)

16 posted on 07/03/2023 7:05:54 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: TiGuy22

Says the Fed.


17 posted on 07/03/2023 7:20:18 AM PDT by TTFlyer (Lenin: that by the infliction of terror, a well-organized minority can conquer a nation.)
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To: Pete Dovgan

Sometime in May, Davis had discussed with Lee the possibility of sending one Corp from the ANV West to aid Vicksburg. Lee was adamant in his rejection of Davis’s proposal. It was shortly thereafter Lee proposed his plan to invade Pennsylvania.


18 posted on 07/03/2023 7:23:07 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: TallahasseeConservative

As this is the 160th anniversary I am surprise that they chose this year to renovate the battle areas around Little Round Top and elsewhere.

Regardless, I am going next year.

This event is one of the most interesting and momentous events in our short history.


19 posted on 07/03/2023 7:26:29 AM PDT by KC Burke (Diversity, Inclusion and Equity is not another way to spell GOD but it is a way to spell DIE.)
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To: Bull Snipe

Read Wert’s book on Longstreet as well as smoother studies on Longstreet and Gettysburg. I feel Jubal Early and others crucified Longstreet to cover their own failings.


20 posted on 07/03/2023 8:11:14 AM PDT by KC Burke (Diversity, Inclusion and Equity is not another way to spell GOD but it is a way to spell DIE.)
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