‘The death penalty is the ultimate act of justice and it should be applied to child killers’

Telegraph ^ | Aug 20 | Telegraph

[muir_redwoods]

Just let the mothers on D-Wing have access to mop handles and sweat socks and bar soap

[Jim W N]

We, you and I, were evildoers on or way to hell and a lost and fiery eternity. But Jesus came along and snatched us out of that gruesome and hellish eternity BY GRACE through faith and NOT by anything that we did, “lest any man should boast.”

So, “The just shall LIVE by faith”, not by our own works.

There’s only ONE difference between you and that guy in hell. JESUS CHRIST. Not how good you are or how righteous you are.

“Neither is there salvation in any other [including one’s ‘righteous’ works]: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Acts 4:12.

As the criminal next to Jesus on the cross, so the criminal today in the electric chair who receives Jesus before he’s fried (for who-knows-what - you name it - child mutilation, whatever) is saved, goes to Heaven, and as righteous as you in God’s eyes.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

The fundamental disagreement is that you must punish to perp for the evil they have done - by execution if they murder. Whether or not they are saved, is a completely different matter and not a part of the discussion.

God Himself has stated this and He does not change:

Genesis 9:6
Whoever sheds the blood of man,

by man shall his blood be shed,

for God made man in his own image.

We’re in the chaos we’re in right now due to a lack of a death penalty. You encourage evil when you fail to punish it. A murderer must be killed via execution.

Ecclesiastes 8:11
Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

[Jim W N]

“you must punish to perp for the evil they have done”

Exactly what God did on the body of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago. Jesus “became sin” for us (2 Corinthians 5:21).

The cross was preceded by 1500 years of temple rituals of a man bringing a “perfect” lamb before the priest, killing the lamb, and the man going free - God’s visual aid to show the meaning of the cross of Christ - the lamb took the man’s sins and the man took the “perfection” of the lamb.

Why 1500 years? Because the free gift of grace and forgiveness doesn’t compute in the natural mind. The carnal mind gets the law and punishment but has great difficulty with grace, which gospel we are under.

We, like Peter, need a revelation of grace like that of Paul, a true miracle of guy who blazed the trail of the revelation of the Gospel of the Grace of Christ to the other Jewish apostles and to the rest of us for 2000 years (2 Peter 3:16-17).

God hasn’t changed. Sin is sin and must be dealt with mercilessly. That is EXACTLY what God did on the body of his dear Son for six incredibly agonizing hours. He took or sin and we go free. As the song says, “His grace is not cheap but it is free.”

[nickcarraway]

NO flaming or nastiness here, but I do have some questions. Not necessarily disagreeing with your conclusion, but the logic behind it.

Double Jeopardy is a legal concept, not a theological one. The concept of Double Jeopardy didn't even exist at the time of Jesus. I think it started in England in the 1200s or so. [The U.K. ended it in 2003, so it's not even in force here.]

But your argument seems to mean that the law can't prosecute any crime, not just give the death penalty. If there is jeopardy attached because Jesus died for our sins, that means no person could be prosecuted for murder, rape, etc. You think the government should just ignore these crime?

[Jim W N]

Double Jeopardy is a legal concept, not a theological one. The concept of Double Jeopardy didn't even exist at the time of Jesus.

Jesus really was punished for the crimes of the whole world, and regardless of man's awareness, God does not commit unjust double jeopardy. The whole Bible especially the New Covenant, shouts that out.

But your argument seems to mean that the law can't prosecute any crime

Not at all. Civil order must be maintained. The valid purposes for dealing with criminals include protecting society, rehabilitation, deterrence, and possibly restoration to a victim if possible. But punishment is not a valid purpose.

[daniel1212]

Jesus died for all sins for which Almighty God’s penalty is death. “every single jot and tittle”, or do you dispute Jesus’ words? Thus by your thinking, in contravention to Jesus, only “egregious” crimes deserve God’s capital judgement.

Correct reasoning in refutation. Expanded https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4178440/posts?page=113#113

Thanks be to God for His mercy and grace, because their is justice if refused.