Saudi Crown Prince MBS says Israel normalisation getting ‘closer’ (3 wks before attack)

Al Jazeera ^ | 9.20.23

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Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) has said that his country was moving steadily closer to normalising relations with Israel, following similar moves from other Gulf countries, and amid a big push by the United States for a Saudi-Israeli deal.

“Every day, we get closer,” the crown prince told US broadcaster Fox News, according to excerpts seen by Reuters of an interview scheduled to air later on Wednesday.

The interview with the crown prince, widely known as MBS, came as US President Joe Biden’s administration presses ahead with an effort to broker historic ties between the two countries and its top Middle East allies, a development that could reshape the geopolitics of the Middle East.

The normalisation talks are the centrepiece of complex negotiations that also include possible Israeli concessions to the Palestinians, as well as discussions of US security guarantees and civilian nuclear help that Riyadh has sought.

MBS told Fox’s Special Report programme that the Palestinian issue was “very important” to Riyadh. “We need to solve that part,” he said when asked what it would take to get a normalisation agreement.

[Wallace T.]

I must wonder if Saudi Arabia can balance its attempts to normalize relations with Israel while at the same time joining the BRICS financial alliance. Iran is a rival of the Saudis and they are a member of that alliance as well. Iran is drawing closer to Russia, with the two countries planning joint military exercises early next year.It is possible that Iran gave Hamas the go ahead signal to attack Israel. While Israel is not formally an American ally, the ties between the two countries are very strong. I don't think the Saudi government can successfully straddle the East West divide.

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this lit Hamas’ fuse as the P’s were losing their most influential sponsor on the world stage.surprising that our intel and the Israelis’ didn’t see this as an aggravating factor that might compel jihadis to act. or maybe they did and were ignored?? Israel has been trained not to be the aggressor due to blowback from the usual suspects including our State Dept

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How Islam progressively takes over countries By Mark Ellis

In Dr. Peter Hammond’s book, “Slavery, Terrorism and Islam,” he documents the way Muslims slowly develop a presence in various countries and as their population numbers build, become more aggressive and assertive about exercising Sharia law.

“Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life,” Dr. Hammond notes in his book. “Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.”

Their takeover of a country, what Dr. Hammond refers to as “Islamization,” begins when the population of Muslims reaches a critical mass, and they being to agitate for various privileges.

Open, free, democratic societies are particularly vulnerable. “When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well,” he notes.

This is how it works, according to Dr. Hammond:

When the Muslim population remains under 2% in a country, they will be seen primarily as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the current situation in:

United States — Muslim 0.6% Australia — Muslim 1.5% Canada — Muslim 1.9% China — Muslim 1.8% Italy — Muslim 1.5% Norway — Muslim 1.8%

As the Muslim population reaches 2% to 5%, they begin to recruit from ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, within prisons and street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark — Muslim 2% Germany — Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7% Spain — Muslim 4% Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

“From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population,” Dr. Hammond notes. “For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food” and increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature such food on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is happening in:

France — Muslim 8% Philippines — 5% Sweden — Muslim 5% Switzerland — Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

Soon they begin to apply pressure to allow Sharia law within their own communities (sometimes ghettos).

“When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions,” Dr. Hammond notes. “In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.” These tensions are seen on a regular basis in: Guyana — Muslim 10% Riots in Pakistan, 2013 Riots in Pakistan, 2013 India — Muslim 13.4% Israel — Muslim 16% Kenya — Muslim 10% Russia — Muslim 15%

The violence increases when the Muslim population reaches 20%. “After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues,” such as in:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8% “At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare,” such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40% Chad — Muslim 53.1% Lebanon — Muslim 59.7% From 60%, persecution of non-believing “infidels” rises significantly, including sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia law as a weapon, and Jizya, a tax placed on infidels, such as in: Albania — Muslim 70% Malaysia — Muslim 60.4% Qatar — Muslim 77.5% Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out “infidels,” and move toward a 100% Muslim society, which has been experienced to some degree in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83% Egypt — Muslim 90% Gaza — Muslim 98.7% Indonesia — Muslim 86.1% Iran — Muslim 98% Iraq — Muslim 97% Jordan — Muslim 92% Morocco — Muslim 98.7% Pakistan — Muslim 97% Palestine — Muslim 99% Syria — Muslim 90% Tajikistan — Muslim 90% Turkey — Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

A 100% Muslim society will theoretically usher in their version of peace — the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. “Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word,” such as in:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100% Somalia — Muslim 100% Yemen — Muslim 100%

Dr. Hammond observes this Islamic ideal is seldom realized. “Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.”

“It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia law,” he states.

Dr. Hammond is also concerned by demographic trends. “Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population,” he observes. “But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.”

Dr. Peter Hammond is a missionary who has pioneered evangelistic outreaches in the war zones of Mozambique, Angola and Sudan. Peter has travelled hundreds of thousands of miles to deliver Bibles to persecuted Christians in Africa and Eastern Europe.

He is the Founder and Director of Frontline Fellowship, the Founder and Chairman of Africa Christian Action, the Director of the Christian Action Network and the Chairman of The Reformation Society and the author of numerous missions-related books. He is the Editor of both Frontline Fellowship News and Christian Action.

Peter has developed the Biblical Worldview Seminar and Great Commission Course to mobilize churches to comprehensively apply the Lordship of Christ to all areas of life and to fulfill the Great Commission.

Peter was born in Cape Town and brought up in Rhodesia – now Zimbabwe. He converted to Christ in 1977, worked in Scripture Union and Hospital Christian Fellowship, served in the South African Defense Force and studied at Baptist Theological College, Cape Town. He also earned a Doctorate in Missiology. For more information about his book, go here.

[Gen.Blather]

BRICS has too many members with wildly divergent interests. India and China have fought several wars and there is, for all intents, a lukewarm war going on between them now. Iran and Saudi Arabia are completely incompatible and spend much of their intelligence budget fomenting trouble within the other’s borders. Russia, as one poster described her, is a termite eating away at the world’s structure. Russia wants to keep America busy in other parts of the world to dissipate whatever aide America might supply to Russia’s enemies. Several sources reported that Hamas’ leaders went to Moscow recently.

If Russia gave the go-ahead to Hamas or facilitated the recent attack against Israel, then Russia probably shot themselves in the foot. The reason Israel has steered well clear of the Ukraine conflict is to keep peace within the huge community of Russian ex-pats in Israel. This attack will change that. Also, Israel wanted to keep as many lines of communications open as Russia has not used the air defenses they man in Syria to target Israeli raids against Hamas...a Russian ally.

Pre-Putin, I think Russia repeatedly made the best call on most situations to support Russian interests. But lately I think that, probably because all calls are being made by one man who is living in an echo chamber, Russia has made bad call after bad call. I think the attack by Hamas, if Israel can implicate the Russians, will turn out to be the moment when Russia’s situation went from bad to worse.

[Worldtraveler once upon a time]

--- "Saudi Crown Prince MBS says Israel normalisation getting"

And THAT and similar is half the reason that the Hamas-Israeli war now goes on. The other half is that hard-line Islam hates Jews and Christians, as is clearly stated in the "wholly" ugly 7th century texts and beyond.

There are two futures for Islam. True non-Islamic peace with all other world cultures and religions, or Islamic peace which is the submission of all other world cultures and religions to it. I predict the former.