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Toyota Wants To Keep ICE Sports Cars Alive With Hydrogen
Car Scoops ^ | December 4, 2023 at 12:32 | Sebastien Bell

Posted on 12/22/2023 7:50:29 AM PST by Red Badger

A hydrogen combustion engine would be ideal for a Toyota GR branded sports car, if only drivers could fill up

Toyota remains adamant that a variety of emissions-reducing technologies will be important for the automotive industry. One, in particular, will be helpful for people who like to drive fast: hydrogen combustion engines.

The automaker believes that the technology could help keep internal combustion engine sports cars alive in an electric world. In fact, Masahito Watanabe, the head of Toyota’s Gazoo Racing division, says that complete electrification is not a priority for the sub-brand at this time.

“We still think the internal combustion engine has some potential,” Watanabe told Autocar. “We don’t want to give up. It’s not over just yet, because if you look at the internal combustion engine, there’s still hydrogen combustion that can be a part of that zero-emission line-up, so I think that’s going to continue.”

However, he admitted that a major hurdle stands in the way of the technology: infrastructure. Like any new technology, people who want to drive a hydrogen vehicle lack easy access to filling stations.

But Gazoo Racing will get some help on that score, in the form of a Hydrogen Factory Europe. A new division of Toyota Motor Europe, it will be tasked with accelerating the commercialization of hydrogen technology and systems.

The automaker says that it believes the continent will soon be one of the largest hydrogen markets in the world, thanks to government investments and growing interest from the private sector. Toyota says that the technology will be useful for heavy-duty transportation, like trucks, coaches, shipping, as well as sports cars.

“What we want to do in the end is provide as many options as possible to our customers,” said Watanabe. “So we will continue to develop the hydrogen internal combustion engine as part of that.”

That means that, in addition to hydrogen combustion engines, Gazoo Racing will also develop electric, hybrids, and fuel cell vehicles. However, progress on hydrogen engine vehicles is going well, as the technology has already taken a GR Corolla to the finish line in a 24-hour race in the ENEOS Super Taikyu Series this year.


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KEYWORDS: hybrids; toyota; twofaced; youaskedforit
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1 posted on 12/22/2023 7:50:29 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: muleskinner; Fiddlstix; TexasTransplant; Squeako; dennisw; norwaypinesavage; 1Old Pro; weps4ret; ...

Ping!....................


2 posted on 12/22/2023 7:51:21 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while l aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Toyota gets it - a Need For Speed is a human universal + fully electric will never be the total solution that some think it is.


3 posted on 12/22/2023 7:52:37 AM PST by Republican in occupied CA (We had enough government in 1789)
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To: Red Badger

They are only doing this because of twisted marxist central planning from governments.

The national highway traffic safety administration needs to be eliminated


4 posted on 12/22/2023 7:54:03 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Red Badger

“However, he admitted that a major hurdle stands in the way of the technology: infrastructure.”

I think something akin to bottle exchanges would be the path of least resistance.


5 posted on 12/22/2023 7:54:48 AM PST by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: PGR88

Any ICE engine can be modified to burn hydrogen.

Not as much BTU power to the wheels, but useable.

And people can make hydrogen at home, slow but possible..............


6 posted on 12/22/2023 7:56:03 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while l aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

The British Top Gear guys said hydrogen was the way forward many years ago.

https://youtu.be/0fBqkWkEeqU?si=DnB7m1VzR1txnxcc


7 posted on 12/22/2023 8:01:20 AM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: Red Badger
hydrogen combustion that can be a part of that zero-emission line-up

Where are you going to get the hydrogen?

And no, you can't "make" hydrogen at home. You can crack it out of water or hydrocarbons ... which requires energy. Where's that going to come from? Wind? Solar? Don't make me laugh! On second thought, do ...

"Green" energy is a lie.

The Greens hate nuclear, coal, oil, and methane. They hate hydro, which is funny: hydro power is really just solar by another name. They feed us BS about solar and wind ... and either they don't know what they're talking about, or they're lying.

8 posted on 12/22/2023 8:02:14 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Red Badger

Hydrogen alone makes no sense. Now, if you just add some carbon to that hydrogen and make a liquid hydrocarbon fuel, you’d really have something.

Get the carbon from biomass and you’d be “carbon neutral,” too. No releasing that evil carbon stored in coal.


9 posted on 12/22/2023 8:02:52 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: NorthMountain
You can crack it out of water or hydrocarbons ... which requires energy. Where's that going to come from? Wind? Solar?

You need energy to make energy for ANY solution.

The question is does it require more energy than what you produce.

10 posted on 12/22/2023 8:16:46 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

It is possible to store hydrogen by high energy ball milling boron nitride in a hydrogen atmosphere.

Although it seems like engine modification would be necessary to prevent hydrogen embrittlement.


11 posted on 12/22/2023 8:17:02 AM PST by packagingguy
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To: NorthMountain

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/13/fill-hydrogen-car-home-bond-villain/


12 posted on 12/22/2023 8:19:42 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while l aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Where will you get the hydrogen ? Well where will all the electricity for EVs come from ? LOL


13 posted on 12/22/2023 8:24:17 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: Red Badger

Or your could burn liquid hydrocarbons in a combustion engine, dispense with all that hydrogen nonsense, and tell the greenies to go perform seppuku.


14 posted on 12/22/2023 8:27:07 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: FreeReign

That question is easily answered: Is the stuff you’re pulling out of the ground a fuel or a reaction product?


15 posted on 12/22/2023 8:28:40 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Red Badger

I read somewhere that Ford has research into developing ‘water run’ engines that converts it into hydrogen. China can’t control the world’s water sources vs the mining necessary for battery components in EV’s.


16 posted on 12/22/2023 8:31:51 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny )
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To: Red Badger

As the owner of excavation and utility construction company, no one can tell me how it will be possible to charge a fleet EV heavy equipment in an efficient and fast manner. It’s not like I can afford to double the size of my fleet of loaders, excavators, and dump trucks so one set is charging while the other is in operation.

If they do away with diesel fuel, the only real alternative will be hydrogen.


17 posted on 12/22/2023 8:34:40 AM PST by shotgun
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To: Red Badger

The major hurdle is embrittlement…


18 posted on 12/22/2023 8:50:37 AM PST by Axenolith (MALITIIS HOMINUM EST OBVIANDUM)
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To: Red Badger
I believe that the fuel tank for hydrogen would have to be pretty large. It would take up the space that is used for passengers now, if you wanted any kind of range. You can use liquid hydrogen to minimize the space, but that would require energy to maintain the low temperatures. And you wouldn't want to store such a vehicle in your garage. Inevitable leakage of hydrogen can fill the garage with inflammable hyrdogen gas. Think the Hindenberg... Certainly, engineers are working on these issues, I would imagine.
19 posted on 12/22/2023 8:51:31 AM PST by fhayek
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To: fhayek
I looked at possibly generating hydrogen gas at home through electrolysis as long-term energy storage that could be stored in tanks as gas outside, perhaps in the ground. It's not feasible at all, but I keep it in the back of my mind in case the Dims go full mark-of-the-best with their energy policies.

I have enough solar and battery storage to provide 81% of all the power we consumed in the past 365 days, with most of the 19% power pulled from the grid during the winter months from mid-November to mid-March. I can live with the system as is unless the Dims make it so that the only way I get the other 19% from the grid is if I join their cult. Every now and then I sit down and do the project engineering for what it would take to make the home more energy efficient and improve on solar and battery storage if it came down to having to be off-grid. Hydrogen storage has the benefit of being able to sit in tanks for half a year without degrading like battery power would (batteries losing charge just sitting). But generating the hydrogen gas through electrolysis, then using the gas to power a fuel cell when needed is a very inefficient round trip for power. I wouldn't get back nearly as much power as I consumed creating the gas.

20 posted on 12/22/2023 9:09:48 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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