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usa stocks / usa economy prediction through nov-dec 2024? plus nov. 2024 election cancellation scenarios
me | 2024-02-07 | me

Posted on 02/07/2024 3:30:04 PM PST by SteveH

i am trying to get a feel for the USA economy and USA stocks through to nov-dec 2024.

what is the best prognosis? and why?

what is the worst prognosis? and why?

allow me to take a swag at both.

the best would be that QE is re-instituted or continued. this however gets into the definition of "best." best in the longer term would involve reducing welfare which we all know is difficult to touch politically. i think we can do at least one more year of federal funding through issuing more debt although the current US govt bonds are near junk in absolute terms imho.

the worst (barring ww iii or civil war ii) would be the invention of some catastrophe such disease X or some manufactured quasi-political crisis along the lines of 9/11 which would trigger massive fascist government expansion and suspension of individual rights, a la lincoln with the suspension of habeus corpus and martial law during the first civil war. this could arise somewhat benignly through massive vote cheating or the suspension of the nov. 2024 election.

speaking of civil unrest and government reaction, if the nov. 2024 election is suspended, biden seems too shaky to lead a hobbled government. ditto for harris. so, who would take over and (more importantly) how?


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: balanceofpayments; economy; election; stocks
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1 posted on 02/07/2024 3:30:04 PM PST by SteveH
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To: SteveH

Depends on the results of the election.


2 posted on 02/07/2024 3:31:31 PM PST by EvilCapitalist (Pets are no substitute for children)
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To: SteveH

Buy a quality 8-Ball.


3 posted on 02/07/2024 3:37:11 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: SteveH

relevant to this topic, the nasdaq went from 5000 to 3000 in mar-nov 2001, reflective of the bursting of the dot com bubble. can it happen again in 2024?


4 posted on 02/07/2024 3:37:29 PM PST by SteveH
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To: SteveH

Sell off stocks over $100, & move that money into lower end stocks in the supply chain.(Preferably $40 & under)


5 posted on 02/07/2024 3:37:47 PM PST by unclebankster ( Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: SteveH
Bringing back QE means pouring gasoline back on the simmering inflationary fire. It's not beat yet, and the Fed would hate to do this. They'd like to be able to start cutting rates ahead of the election, particularly since every month rates stay hire the government is having to roll over debt at MUCH high interest rates than they were previously paying.

If anything like QE happens and rates stay high or go higher, the deficit will become explosive and will need to be dealt with. But how that is done could bring the country to its knees - either crippling taxation, or real cutbacks in the massive amount of plunder that is shifted from working Americans to the welfare class each year.

6 posted on 02/07/2024 3:38:53 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: SteveH

Went to the grocery store yesterday and today. Prices still way up. Gas was $2.75 yesterday and jumped to $2.99 today (no reason I’ve heard).


7 posted on 02/07/2024 3:40:54 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Powell and Biden will not allow for a recession in an election year. They will pump everything up. Stocks will be high until November.

Then sell before election day. If Biden wins they will allow for a small recession, if Trump wins they will allow the economy to implode.


8 posted on 02/07/2024 3:46:14 PM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: Gaffer

Gas was 2.85 here Western Michigan this am and jumping to 3.18 this afternoon. Filled ahead of it.


9 posted on 02/07/2024 3:50:20 PM PST by desertsolitaire
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To: desertsolitaire

Is it a formulation changeover or something? Or, just because?


10 posted on 02/07/2024 3:54:42 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: desertsolitaire

I can cut down on driving, but can not cut down on eating. Grocery prices at Walmart superstore are so much higher than just last year.


11 posted on 02/07/2024 3:55:57 PM PST by Bobbyvotes
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To: Paladin2

“Buy a quality 8-Ball.”

I have an Acme 8-ball and it says “Yer fooked laddie”


12 posted on 02/07/2024 3:57:56 PM PST by dljordan
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To: Paladin2

My daughter got me a Trump Magic 8 Ball for Christmas. It’s awesome…and Trump is usually right, lol.


13 posted on 02/07/2024 5:44:27 PM PST by Prince of Space (Trump 2024!)
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To: Bobbyvotes

High fuel prices are the reason for high food prices


14 posted on 02/07/2024 6:07:15 PM PST by kaktuskid
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To: Prince of Space

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DFRRCRP?tag=bravesoftwa04-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US“?

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15 posted on 02/07/2024 6:13:37 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
"Buy a quality 8-Ball."

Either an 8-ball...or a dime bag.


16 posted on 02/07/2024 6:26:04 PM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: moovova

You hung out with Belushi?


17 posted on 02/07/2024 6:43:19 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I wish LOL.


18 posted on 02/07/2024 7:29:55 PM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: SteveH
My 2 cents. The Fed will be under a lot of pressure to kick the financial can down the road until after the election so that incumbents can try to get reelected. The Biden Administration will also exert a lot of pressure on the Fed and Treasury.

The problem is that the wonderful jobs news is anything but wonderful. There are adjustment to past values that don't make sense. Total hours worked is going down (i.e. part time work instead of full time jobs) and wagers for the new jobs are not family level wages. On top of that, you have credit card debt at an all time high. And inflation of important things like medical costs, fuel and food is constantly going up.

That means that voters will likely kick out a lot of incumbents, and hopefully slow-Joe.

Now as to the stock market; as bad as the US economy may look long term, almost every other major economy is so much worse. That means that if you have retirement savings and live in Greece, Turkey, Argentina, China, France, Germany, or a host of other countries, you are going to want to have a diversified portfolio with lots of Wall Street stocks. That foreign demand will keep the S&P 500 from collapsing.

As to the election, I think that the Democratic Party has advanced “lawfare” to an art form. The election (House, Senate and Presidency) will be tied up in lawsuits until February or March of 2025. I could see the Speaker of the House of Representatives being appointed as an interim President until early next year.

19 posted on 02/07/2024 11:41:30 PM PST by Robert357
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To: Renfrew

hmmm aaa hmmm aaa...

(yikes)


20 posted on 02/08/2024 1:44:13 AM PST by SteveH
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