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How Secure are FReepmails?
Self | 07/30/02 | harrowup

Posted on 07/30/2002 11:37:59 AM PDT by harrowup

Serious charges continue to surface at lp.com concerning the privacy of FReepmail.

Some continue to opine and/or charge that they were banned because of something they wrote in FReepmail.

1. Who has access to authentication codes and passwords besides JR and John?

2. Do any moderators, n.e.c. have the need to read mail which is reported to be obscene or do they rely on the person reporting the abuse?

3. If FReepmail has ever been viewed without permission is there a log of such?

4. If so, what possible reason can be advanced to justify such?


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Free Republic Policy/Q&A
KEYWORDS: banning; freepmails; privacy

1 posted on 07/30/2002 11:37:59 AM PDT by harrowup
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To: harrowup
I could really care less.
2 posted on 07/30/2002 11:48:57 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Actually, no, I couldn't care less..........
3 posted on 07/30/2002 11:49:38 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
No, it's "I couldn't care less." If you could care less, you would.
4 posted on 07/30/2002 11:49:59 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain; Texaggie79
No, it's "I couldn't care less." If you could care less, you would.

Who cares?

5 posted on 07/30/2002 11:51:37 AM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: dubyaismypresident
Less.
6 posted on 07/30/2002 11:51:58 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: harrowup; Texaggie79; nunya bidness; glock rocks; Cyber Liberty; dubyaismypresident; weikel; ...
This thread has been moved to the memory hole. Click here
7 posted on 07/30/2002 11:55:18 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: harrowup
Can "serious" charges come from those who are chronically and most extremely delusional? I couldn't care less what those pathetic losers allege. Consider the source, in other words.
8 posted on 07/30/2002 12:01:29 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: harrowup
I've been planning a write-up on this, and other such issues, but haven't had much time lately. In absence of that, this thread will do...

Q. Who has access to authentication codes and passwords besides JR and John?
A. Other than the account holder, only 'Wizard' access levels have this information. The only two wizards there will ever be on FR are Jim and myself. Additionally, I'm giving serious thought to encrypting user passwords to completely do away with this type of concern.

Q. Do any moderators, n.e.c. have the need to read mail which is reported to be obscene or do they rely on the person reporting the abuse?

A. Moderators do not have a need to read others' Freepmail, and will never have the ability to read others' Freepmail unless such mail is voluntarily forwarded by recipient or sender. For the time being, Freepmail abuse is handled on an honor system. At a later time, I would like to have an "Abuse" button on Freepmail, which would forward the letter verbatim to a moderator. In other words, only Freepmail volunteered (by either party) will be read.

Q. If FReepmail has ever been viewed without permission is there a log of such?

A. To the best of my knowledge this has never happened. The only way to read Freepmail is to log into the account. All logins are recorded into a log file. Such logged information includes the date and time, IP address, and action. Note however, reading of mail is not logged-- the only logged actions are those that make a significant change to the database (posting a message, sending a mail, etc) or logins and logoffs.

Q. If so, what possible reason can be advanced to justify such?

A. Not applicable. See above.

9 posted on 07/30/2002 12:04:07 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: mountaineer
I'm with you mountaineer...bunch of paranoid crybaby whiners who can't let it go...
10 posted on 07/30/2002 12:05:46 PM PDT by Neets
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To: John Robinson; harrowup
I'm havening a Miss Cleo moment here John...forgive me please...

That detailed explanation won't be enough Harrow...and you know it...soon as you go back over there and post this...it will be debunked with lotz more looney reasons that this CAN"T BE TRUE, IS NOT TRUE, and NO DOUBT JimRobinson TOLD JohnRobinson what to write..nothing will ever satisfy those folks.

11 posted on 07/30/2002 12:11:06 PM PDT by Neets
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To: harrowup
Specifically, these Freepmail concerns, with a little bit of investigation, could be shown to be benign.

There are two (or more) parties involved in Freepmail. Either party could forward the mail to a third-party, or brief a third-party on the conversation taking place. Additionally, sending of Freepmail is logged, with a timestamp, IP address, recipient, and sender (and nothing else.)

Some of the returning banees believe they can obtain a second (or third, or fourth...) account on FreeRepublic to conduct their activities via Freepmail. Well, their IP address will be logged, and they will eventually be caught. When a returning banee is found, regardless of their actions under the new account, they are banned. (Otherwise, what is the point of banning somebody?)

12 posted on 07/30/2002 12:15:55 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: OneidaM
Harrowup is cool, and what he has expressed here has been expressed by others, who in my opinion, are sincerely concerned-- they were taken in by rumor.

The AFers there (Mojo, LOTF, Landshark, LindaM) can scream bloody murder all they want. Eventually others on LP, unwilling to be blindsided by hatred for FR, will see through them.

13 posted on 07/30/2002 12:21:46 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: John Robinson
Harrowup is cool

Oneida's brown-nosing attempt backfires, lol.

14 posted on 07/30/2002 12:25:00 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Most of the people who battled the AFers have been tainted with their blood. I know many of them, and they're good people, some with honest criticisms. I welcome honest criticism.
15 posted on 07/30/2002 12:29:56 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: John Robinson
Can we go back to the 2000 layout? :-D
16 posted on 07/30/2002 12:30:48 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: diotima
Did you ever resolve the FR Chapter Freepmail incident?
17 posted on 07/30/2002 12:32:39 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: John Robinson
Harrowup is cool, and what he has expressed here has been expressed by others, who in my opinion, are sincerely concerned...

Oh, crap. Now my credibility is really torched.

Seriously, I do appreciate the restatement of what has long been known and honored.

Sorry to bring this junk over here but at least the maggots won't get to feast on the corpse they so heartily desire. Thanks.

18 posted on 07/30/2002 12:37:33 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: John Robinson
Not really. The person never replied to me.

There is no mail system like FReepmail on the Network website, so I couldn't possibly be reading what doesn't exist.

As for my ability to read FRmail here, it is ridiculous.

19 posted on 07/30/2002 1:02:15 PM PDT by diotima
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To: John Robinson
"Either party could forward the mail to a third-party, or brief a third-party on the conversation taking place."

Commonsense solutions are not allowed...:o]
I've suspected that those who claim no one else could have known the content of a FReepmail is simply the occurrence you state above.

There is also the possibility of coincidence. Being mostly informed, thinking conservatives and libertarians, and being part of the FR community, it's VERY likely more than two people have had the same idea or thought simultaneously. We've all seen people duplicate another posters remarks just moments later. "Great minds...blah, blah".

BTW, why must you prove the negative when all I'm seeing elsewhere is the accusation with NO proof.

20 posted on 07/30/2002 1:13:49 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet
Rumor squashing.
21 posted on 07/30/2002 1:20:35 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: John Robinson
I saw that huge thread in here yesterday re: LP.com so I took a surf over there and was amazed to find an entire subsection of that site devoted to discussion of FR.

It was mainly dominated by the folks you just mentioned, and most of their posts were full of bitterness and vitriol directed at FR. I read through most of it, then said to myself,

"Self, it seems that all these folks who are complaining and whining about FR were probably banned for breaking the FR rules. And now they are hijacking another site in order to complain and drive wedges of discontent between Freepers who also visit LP.com."

The point being that it's Jim and John's forum and they make the rules. If you can't abide by them, surely you can find another place to visit online.

John - thanks for a great site. And personally, I LIKE THE NEW FORMAT.

Notforprophet

22 posted on 07/30/2002 1:34:02 PM PDT by Notforprophet
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To: Notforprophet
"[...]And now they are hijacking another site in order to complain and drive wedges of discontent between Freepers who also visit LP.[org]."

Worth repeating.

LP.org isn't the enemy.

(BTW, I'm only the software guru. It's all Jim's site. But thanks anyway. :-)

23 posted on 07/30/2002 1:37:57 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: John Robinson
"LP.org isn't the enemy."

You don't really mean that...:o]
The "Others" are sure either you or Jim or Bob J or diotima or me or all have made an orchestrated attempt to destroy LP. And this strategic pre-emptive strike was done by simply setting the record straight and wishing LP well by all involved in the massacre.

They look like a good forum and they were smart to put the FR/AF wars in restricted topic.

24 posted on 07/30/2002 1:49:44 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: John Robinson
You are doing the right thing I guess, by putting the rumor to bed...and I didn't intend any harm towards Harrowup.....I just get sick of those you mentioned beating a dead horse.
25 posted on 07/30/2002 2:11:33 PM PDT by Neets
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To: OneidaM
I didn't intend any harm towards Harrowup.

I didn't take your comment as off-putting, let alone offensive, and I have no idea what Sir Gawain meant by his crack

I wanted the air cleared and John showed up with the assurance that reasonable folks can accept without fear.

The way the drama queens from afconistan work they have already determined that John and I worked this together simply because I didn't flag John, JR or the Admin Moderator.

Everything has to be a conspiracy against them because of the truth they have gleaned from treacherous former movers and shakers whose recollections are seriously flawed...and that is as nicely as I will put it.

26 posted on 07/30/2002 6:40:46 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: harrowup
from treacherous former movers and shakers

Too bad those FORMER movers and shakers don't reveal their TRUE agenda....kinda like hell hath no fury like a FORMER mover and shaker scorned.

27 posted on 07/30/2002 7:06:07 PM PDT by Neets
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To: OneidaM
Yea, verily; ...a-lone a-gain, nat-tra-ly...

Cal and Mojo against the world.

28 posted on 07/30/2002 7:35:37 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: OneidaM
Yeah, I misread your comment. Long day. :-)
29 posted on 07/30/2002 8:01:58 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: harrowup
LOL! Take the path of least resistance... You and I have this secret "thing" worked out (through the "insecure" Freepmail system)...

vs...

I have FR Policy/Q&A on my sidebar.
30 posted on 07/30/2002 8:06:12 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: harrowup
Nothing is totally secure online.

If you are worried about this, it makes me wonder what you write in your freepmails.
31 posted on 07/31/2002 10:57:11 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
I was not and am not concerned with FReepmail. The question was intended to squelch the rumor and innuendo emanating from anti-freeper sites like liberty post.org. I trust FReepmail more than I do any web-based mail; there has never been a single verifiable report of tampering.
32 posted on 08/01/2002 4:53:14 AM PDT by harrowup
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To: harrowup
Ok.....sorry.....:)
33 posted on 08/01/2002 10:37:19 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: harrowup
The only complaint I ever had about FR mail was that we didn't retain copies of mail sent. Then, oddly enough, that changed and we were able to retain mail. Whew.

I am not concerned with anyone reading my FReepmail either, since about half of what I ever wrote turned up in the hands of afconistan'ers. And THAT wasn't John or Jim's fault.

34 posted on 08/05/2002 6:52:18 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: unsycophant
There's a copy function? Ding-dab it; now I can't pretend I don't remember writing that the old-line anti-freepers, aka the hamsters, to include allgall, the maggot and the lizard have all developed real psychoses...listening to a worm eating bird all day will do that to nuthatches.
35 posted on 08/06/2002 5:46:00 AM PDT by harrowup
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