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Defense Feldman: Danielle Van Dam Knew Her Abductor: Dusek, Still Talking...Westerfield Waiting
Union Trib ^ | August 8, 2002 | Steve Perez/Greg Magnus

Posted on 08/07/2002 7:08:12 PM PDT by FresnoDA

Defense rests; each side puts its spin on evidence

By Steve Perez and Jeff Dillon
SIGNONSANDIEGO

August 7, 2002

Ending nearly five hours of defense argument, the chief attorney for murder defendant David Westerfield rested Wednesday afternoon by urging jurors to remember they "save us from lynchings" and reminding the panelists that they are the "conscience of the community." The jury should begin deliberations Thursday.

Defense attorney Steven Feldman began his afternoon remarks by telling jurors he was in the "homestretch" of his arguments. Repeatedly, he urged jurors to take the defense's point of view into consideration when the prosecution received its opportunity to rebut his closing arguments.

Photo"I know fire and brimstone's coming," he said. "I don't have the opportunity to respond. Please keep in mind that the system is adversarial. Please consider what the defense's position might be in response to some of the line of fire."

"Ladies and gentlemen this has been an extraordinary experience," Feldman said, leaning on a podium for support. "It's been hard, it's been emotional, it's been intense and at times overwhelming. The burden the lawyers have, is coming your way. The tension, the angst, the pain, is coming your way."

"You are the conscience of our community. You, you save us from lynchings. You protect us. Thank you."

Prosecutor Jeff Dusek, given the opportunity to respond late in the afternoon, began by saying he hardly knew "where to start."

"You were told to expect a rebuttal," he said, "and you are going to be given a rebuttal, when you are told falsehoods, misrepresentations, total distortions throughout the entire closing argument."

The prosecutor said he had moral and legal problems with what Westerfield "did to that child."

Return to recovery scene

Earlier, Feldman had sought to remind jurors that the 50-year-old design engineer could not be placed off Dehesa Road where Danielle van Dam's body was recovered.

He showed them aerial photographs of the scene and wondered aloud why, as prosecutors have charged, his defendant would drive several hundred miles just to place her in that spot.

"It's narrow," he said of the two-lane roadway. "Where's the evidence anyone saw a motor home? Where's the evidence of David Westerfield (being) in Dehesa?"

Feldman noted the difficulty of accessing the site, pointing out that the area, up a steep bank, was so difficult to reach, steps were later added to it.

Feldman also noted that authorities were unable to identify a hair found underneath the body.

"Whose was it? It wasn't David Westerfield. It's not Danielle van Dam's. How could it have gotten there?"

The defense attorney also pointed out the area was used as a dump, with any number of possible sources of the orange fibers found on Danielle van Dam.

Turning his attention to autopsy evidence, he noted that there were no broken bones around the victim's neck, saying that proved the victim wasn't strangled or asphyxiated, as prosecutors contend.

 

Bug evidence

Feldman's closing argument also revisited the days of forensic entomological evidence. He pointed out that, based on the bug experts called, it would have been "impossible" for Westerfield to have placed the body there.

February's weather was hot, Feldman said, hot enough to promote the growth of bugs that entomologists have pointed to as evidence the victim's body could not have been exposed since early February. The victim's body was recovered Feb. 27.

Referring to earlier comments by Dusek that authorities didn't know the proper questions to ask of the bug experts, Feldman said:

"So they're going to say because they didn't ask the right questions we should convict David Westerfield?"

The defense attorney also made several pointed references to the reason forensic entomologist David Faulkner was called to the scene – because he was called in by law enforcement. Faulkner ended up being a defense witness in the case.

Faulkner, who has previously testified in cases prosecuted by Dusek, testified that, based on the development of insect larvae, the victim's body could not have been exposed to the elements before Feb. 16.

Feldman told jurors that the best estimate of county medical examiner Dr Brian Blackbourne was that the body was left out 10 to 42 days before its discovery.

He reminded the jurors of the testimony of defense expert Neal Haskell, who testified that blow flies did not colonize the body of the 7-year-old girl until at least Feb. 12.

"We already know that David was under constant surveillance, then it's impossible for him to have done it. If Faulkner is right, he's not guilty, there's no issue."

He called the agreement by his experts a "concordance of science."

Feldman ridiculed the conclusion of one prosecution witness, forensic anthropoligist Dr. William C. Rodriguez III, who concluded the range of possible death dates extended to January 17, a time the victim was still alive.

He also made light of a prosecution theory that the victim's body wasn't colonized within a reasonable time frame because it became "mummified."

"So conditions in San Diego are so unusual, they've never been seen like this before? The body mummified so much that the bugs went 'poink?' "

 

Debunking kidnapping theory

Earlier Wednesday, the defense attorney intimated to jurors that it was a stretch to believe that a drunken, 6-foot-2-inch tall David Westerfield stealthily entered the van Dam residence in the middle of the night and silently spirited away 7-year-old Danielle van Dam.

It's "common sense" that only someone familiar with the house, with the van Dam family and with Danielle could have entered the house and awakened Danielle without her "screaming bloody murder" and waking up her family, Feldman argued.

"There's absolutely no way that someone unfamiliar with this residence could do this," Feldman said.

And that person was probably someone that Damon and Brenda van Dam had previously invited into their home, Feldman said, referring to testimony that the couple was sexually adventurous and had engaged in spouse-swapping.

On Tuesday, prosecutor Jeff Dusek had told jurors "the bogeyman didn't do this crime either, as much as they want you to believe that."

'Circumstantial case'

Feldman also argued that law enforcement officials had been stretching their circumstantial evidence from the start of the investigation to fit Westerfield because they knew there was no "clear, unambiguous" smoking gun pointing to the neighbor.

"We're still looking. That smoking gun we're still trying to find," Feldman said. "They might have the outlines of the shadow of the gun, but we're still looking."

Westerfield is accused of kidnapping Danielle from her Sabre Springs home on Feb. 2 and killing her. He is charged with kidnapping, murder with special circumstances and possession of child pornography.

Westerfield, who lived two doors from the van Dams, was an early suspect in the case and came under police surveillance on Feb. 5.

After a massive community search that drew national attention, Danielle's naked and decomposing body was found dumped off rural Dehesa Road near El Cajon on Feb. 27.

Jurors have heard 24 days of testimony and have seen 199 exhibits since the trial began on June 5.

During his 3 1/2-hour closing argument Tuesday, Dusek told jurors they didn't have to determine how and when Westerfield entered the van Dam house and kidnapped and killed Danielle, just whether he committed the crime.

Feldman urged the jury to examine the details of the case and told them that laws regarding jury deliberations required them to interpret evidence in favor of the defendant's innocence whenever there were two conflicting but reasonable interpretations.

'Heartburn'

A day after beginning his closing argument with a frenetic, courtroom-spanning presentation, a subdued Feldman resumed his summation by asking jurors not to blame his client for his own performance.

He asked the jurors not to consider the kidnap-murder case as a personality contest between himself and prosecutors Dusek and Woody Clarke.

"If there is anything I've said, anything I've done that has caused any of you heartburn, please don't hold it against Mr. Westerfield," Feldman said.

Much of the prosecution's case against Westerfield relies on speculation, Feldman said, speculation without evidence that Westerfield knew his way around the van Dam's home, that he wore left no fingerprints because he wore gloves that were never found.

"Did he gag her? There are no gags. Did he tie her up? There's no rope," Feldman said. "They have to guess."

'Red herrings'

He also dismissed as a "red herring" the prosecution's suggestion that Westerfield had disposed of evidence because police never found a pair of black boots Westerfield had supposedly been wearing to Dad's Café the night Danielle disappeared.

Feldman said Westerfield's former girlfriend had testified that Westerfield didn't own a pair of black boots.

"Watch out for them red herrings, folks. There's lots of them," Feldman said. "We don't want the courtroom smelling like a fish market."

Reasonable interpretations

Feldman told the jurors that there were reasonable explanations for Westerfield's supposedly odd behavior the weekend Danielle disappeared – and that his behavior was not that of a man who was carrying around either a kidnapped girl or a dead body.

Several witnesses testified that Westerfield had invited them to come along with him on his trip to the desert that weekend, Feldman said. It was a trip he told people he wanted to take on Super Bowl weekend because the desert would be less crowded.

"It was spontaneous, but it wasn't as though, 'I've just kidnapped somebody and I have to get away immediately'," Feldman said.

Staying in his motor home at Silver Strand State Beach on the morning of Feb. 2 was consistent with someone trying to sleep off a hangover from drinking at Dad's Café the night before, Feldman said.

Reasonable behavior

And Westerfield's decisions to go to Glamis and other desert locations, then back to the beach, were consistent with the behavior of someone who'd recently been dumped by his girlfriend and couldn't find any joy in his surroundings, Feldman said.

"If there was something suspicious and unreasonable (about the route), where's the body? She's either dead or he's carrying her and this is a perfect place to dump a body," Feldman said.

He also addressed Westerfield's use of "we" while describing his trip to the desert to a police investigator in a taped interview, noting that Danielle's mother, Brenda van Dam, once said "they" had taken her daughter.

"It's a natural slip. There's nothing to it. Unless you want to take it out of context – no surprise – unless you want to spin it," Feldman said. "Again, one side does it, it's not sinister, the other side does it, it's sinister."

Dyed blonde hairs

Feldman also hinted in passing at an alternate explanation for the dyed blonde hairs found in Westerfield's motor home, hairs which were found to match the DNA of Danielle – or her mother.

"If it was the case that Brenda van Dam was in the motor home, would you know it? Would she tell you?" Feldman asked the jury. "And wouldn't it be a fatal blow to the prosecution's case if the defense could show you one time, ever, innocently, that Danielle van Dam was in the motor home. That would slay their case."

Though Feldman said witnesses had reported seeing Westerfield's motor home parked on the van Dams' street with the door unlocked on at least one occasion, he didn't point to any testimony that showed Danielle or her mother had been in the vehicle.

Fiber conclusions

In a new development, Feldman disclosed that the prosecution originally intended to present a knit afghan from Westerfield's residence as the common source of the acrylic fibers found on Danielle's body and Westerfield's laundry.

San Diego police criminalists initially concluded that the fibers from both scenes could have matched those from the afghan, Feldman said, but the prosecution had to abandon the evidence after a Sacramento lab performed more detailed tests and found they didn't match.

And there was "a universe of fibers" found on Danielle's body, none of which were also found in Westerfield's home or vehicles, Feldman said.

Porn evidence

Feldman also argued that the prosecution had failed to prove that any of the sexually explicit images found in Westerfield's office comprised child pornography, let alone that it belonged to Westerfield instead of his 19-year-old son, David Neal Westerfield.

The prosecution hasn't shown that Westerfield had any sexual interest in young girls, let alone the motive to kidnap one, he said.

"Don't get sidetracked into their speculation. They don't have a motive. They're grasping," Feldman told the jury. "You might have a moral problem with what Mr. Westerfield did or didn't do, but morals are not law."

 

 

Prosecution's final turn

Dusek immediately attacked a chart developed by the defense depicting rates of body decomposition, saying it was designed for humid, Midwest conditions. When compared to the dry air of the east San Diego county, such use was "misleading and inappropriate," the prosecutor said.

There was no "impossibility" created by the bug experts' testimony, he contended.

The prosecutor urged the jurors to ignore Feldman's suggestions they deadlock and instead, listen to each other's views until reaching a verdict.

"That's why jurors are sent into a jury room rather than each one being sent into a separate polling booth," he said. "There's supposed to be give and take, with open minds."

Dusek also rejected Feldman's suggestions that, if given the choice between two reasonable interpretations of facts, they must automatically choose the facts that favor the defendant in the case.

"What you have to do is first of all determine whether each of those facts have been proved beyond a reasonable doubt. The instructions tell you that."

Holding up a rope to demonstrate his point, he said each of the facts in the case could be analogous to the many pieces of twine that make it up.

"Take all the facts you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt exist, then you make the determination that the rope still holds," he said. "Is there only one reasonable inference, one reasonable interpretation, one reasonable conclusion?"

He yanked on the rope to show its strength before setting it down.

He used the Chargers' and Padres' chances of winning championships this year to make another point about how to view the volumes of circumstantial evidence in the case.

"How reasonable is it the Padres are going to get in and win the World Series and the Chargers get in the Super Bowl and win?" he said. "It's possible, but not reasonable, sorry guys, the statistics of that chance are virtually nil.

"Yet, the possibility of that is greater than all these other 'accidents' coming together in one case and leading us down the path of not guilty."

He attacked Feldman's assertions in his opening statement, that the defense would "prove not speculate."

"We've seen just the opposite is true," Dusek said. Such statements were even carried over into the closing argument, the prosecutor said.

For example, Dusek said, Feldman spoke in his opening statement about the van Dam children being in the defendant's home and "jumping up and down on furniture in the living room and on other bed sheets."

"There's been no evidence of that," Dusek said. "As my dad used to say, that's a whole lot of wind sauce in your air pudding."

At one point during his summation, Dusek appeared to be having trouble finding a word and a helpful voice came from the audience to his aid. Brenda van Dam supplied the word. When Feldman objected that the audience was "assisting in closing," Mudd urged the audience to "please remain silent."

Dusek attacked Feldman's assertion that his client gave authorities "precise, detailed information" about his whereabouts.

"Yeah right," Dusek said. "What he said was the truth, packed with lies, alibis. Where you can find him here, here and here. Why those locations? Then he left out the good stuff. The dry cleaners, cleaning the SUV. He didn't tell about that. He told folks in Glamis that he had a flat tire on his trailer. Yeah, right. He was telling the truth, the cops just followed it blindly and confirmed every little bit."

Dusek is scheduled to continue the prosecution's closing rebuttal Thursday morning at 9 a.m.

 


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To: FresnoDA
Now listen up here ... you be nice tonight. LOL
61 posted on 08/07/2002 8:29:27 PM PDT by JudyB1938
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To: contessa machiaveli
how would you explain daniell's bllod on his jacket?

Actually some of us believe in that silly old saying 'Innocent until proven guilty" and another silly concept of 'reasonable doubt'

But if you had taken the time to follow these threads I am sure you would not have asked your silly question.

62 posted on 08/07/2002 8:29:39 PM PDT by Dave_in_Upland
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To: contessa machiaveli

A page from the diary of Denise Kemal (aka) DUH-KNEES

altI am proud of my relations with the Van Dams...I have had some wonderful memories...at least, those I can remmeber were great...

And I am proud that I exchanged places with Brenda...on many occasions...I will cherish those memories...

Of course...I am now divorced....

I am unemployed....

And I have been forced to leave town....

BUT I AM PROUD TO BE A SWINGER.....

And I will tell that to anyone who asks me...

Are you asking?


63 posted on 08/07/2002 8:31:02 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Poor Duh-Knees is not a very good speller...hee hee
64 posted on 08/07/2002 8:31:56 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Which one of the VD's said that they wouldn't change a thing about that night, that they have no regrets?
65 posted on 08/07/2002 8:32:49 PM PDT by JudyB1938
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To: contessa machiaveli
what signs of abuse were there. i honestly never heard or read about that. where did you get that info and what is it.

then you have apparently not been following these threads very closely.

66 posted on 08/07/2002 8:33:01 PM PDT by CAPPSMADNESS
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To: JudyB1938
Both VDs said that.
67 posted on 08/07/2002 8:34:39 PM PDT by Karson
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To: JudyB1938
And The Demon said, "Well, I still have 2 boys..." Honest, he said it..I could not Van Damnit believe it...

FDA/frr
68 posted on 08/07/2002 8:36:06 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: contessa machiaveli
she was naked, that certainly indicates a sexual motive.

There was also no indication of truma, or evidence that she was bound with rope or anything else. Exactly how did he keep that girl so quiet and out of his hair as he traveled around the country side? How did the rape of a 7 year old girl leave so little evidence? He did not bleach or steam clean his motor home as the media loves to report. He didn't even wipe it down.

69 posted on 08/07/2002 8:36:11 PM PDT by Dave_in_Upland
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To: contessa machiaveli
 
Private Lives, Public Trial
Are sexual lifestyle questions relevant in the Van dam murder trial?
By Jamie Reno
NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE
    June 7 —  Is the sexual lifestyle of Danielle van Dam’s parents relevant in the David Westerfield trial? That’s a question many here are asking—and debating—as this emotional and high-profile murder trial continues in San Diego Superior Court.  
 
WESTERFIELD, 50, A TWICE-DIVORCED freelance engineer with two grown children who is the neighbor of the van Dams, is charged with kidnapping and killing the 7-year-old daughter of Damon and Brenda van Dam. Police say Danielle’s hair was found in Westerfield’s motor home and her blood was found both in his motor home and on his jacket. But during the opening days of the trial, it is the van Dams who have had to answer difficult questions, including describing and defending the most intimate details of their life together.

 

        Westerfield’s attorney, Steven Feldman, relentlessly questioned Damon van Dam on Wednesday and was equally aggressive with Brenda van Dam on Thursday. Feldman is trying to establish that Danielle van Dam could have been abducted by any number of people the couple brought into their home with what Feldman has called “risqué” behavior.
        Both parents admitted this week in court to having sex with third parties on more than one occasion. Damon van Dam—who cried as he described pictures of Danielle’s bedroom—admitted to initially concealing details about his sex life and marijuana use from police. He said he later disclosed all the facts about his personal life after police stressed the importance of revealing everything that happened the night his daughter disappeared.
        “Since realizing the magnitude of the situation, I’ve opened my private life up and given every detail possible to try to get my daughter back and now to get justice for her,” van Dam said on the stand. He also admitted having past sexual relationships with at least two of his wife’s friends. He said he had sex with one of the women in October 2000 while his wife and the friend’s husband were present.
        Brenda van Dam’s two friends and two male acquaintances were at the van Dams’ house the night Danielle disappeared. Van Dam testified he and one of the women briefly kissed and “snuggled” in his bed that night while his wife was downstairs. Earlier that night, he and his wife smoked pot with the two women, he testified.
        When prosecutor Jeff Dusek asked Damon van Dam why he didn’t initially tell police about his activities with his wife’s friend that night, he said, “It didn’t seem relevant.”
        But is it?
        Close followers of the trial disagree on the answer. Rick Roberts, a radio host on San Diego’s KFMB 760 AM, has been focusing on the van Dams’ lifestyle on his show since he first mentioned it back on Feb. 8.
        “Ever since Danielle disappeared, the van Dams have been saying they are just like everyone else and how this could have happened to anyone, but they are not like everyone else,” says Roberts. “The fact is, the van Dams’ lifestyle increases the opportunity for bad things to happen. If you participate in indiscriminate behavior, then you are different than most people and, yes, that is relevant in this trial. This indiscriminate behavior might in fact create a reasonable doubt in a juror’s mind.”
        Kerry Steigerwalt, a San Diego defense attorney who is lending his commentary to a San Diego television station that is running gavel-to-gavel coverage of the trial, says it’s possible the parents’ lifestyle could in fact raise a reasonable doubt in the minds of jurors.
        “First, it goes to the issue of credibility,” he says. “The van Dams weren’t truthful about it when police first interviewed them. At a time when it was very critical for them to tell the police everything, they did not. It raises the question, ‘if they were dishonest about their lifestyle and about smoking marijuana, what else are they being dishonest about now?’”
        Steigerwalt suggests that the defense is trying to make a case that whoever committed this crime had to be aware of the set-up of the home, particularly the upstairs where the bedrooms are. “Whoever did this evidently got in the house without disturbing the dog and without arousing any suspicion,” he told NEWSWEEK. “The defense has already insisted that Westerfield was never in that home. The defense will suggest that whoever the van Dams did bring into their home would know the layout of the house and would know which upstairs room was Danielle’s.”

70 posted on 08/07/2002 8:37:58 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: CAPPSMADNESS
From the Honorable Michael Kirby who serves on the ethics committee of the High Court of Australia

snip...That effective procedures are afforded to guarantee against contamination of DNA samples. The planting of evidence ("giving of presents") has been a distinct problem for the criminal justice system in the past. Given the likely devastating power of DNA evidence, it becomes doubly important to ensure the integrity of collection of samples and their transmission, storage, testing, reportage and preservation for the scrutiny of independent experts and, ultimately if need be, by the courts. Contamination or fabrication of evidence by officials is only part of the problem. The planting of false trails by criminals, designed to implicate others as suspects, cannot be ignored

he may be an Aussie - but he makes some good points!

okay - let me know if I need some reynolds wrap....

71 posted on 08/07/2002 8:38:09 PM PDT by CAPPSMADNESS
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To: CAPPSMADNESS
And why were the clothes she wore that day, not found on the floor with the pj's?....couldn't be cuz that is what she was wearing when she left the house...not those pj's with cascading flowers??
72 posted on 08/07/2002 8:39:04 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: CAPPSMADNESS

            (Sabre Swings version of Hollywood Squares)

Brenda van Dam Damon van Dam

Denise Kemal Rich Brady


Keith Stone                           Barb Easton

73 posted on 08/07/2002 8:39:46 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: Rheo
might could be I suppose :0
74 posted on 08/07/2002 8:40:02 PM PDT by CAPPSMADNESS
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To: FresnoDA
You left out the part about "whatever happens" ... (or something like that). I couldn't believe it either!

He hated that little girl.
75 posted on 08/07/2002 8:41:02 PM PDT by JudyB1938
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To: FresnoDA
I take it that Barb's the "secret Square"? ;)
76 posted on 08/07/2002 8:41:20 PM PDT by CAPPSMADNESS
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To: contessa machiaveli

Slain girl's father testifies tearfully, fends off lifestyle attack

 
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Damon van Dam, the father of 7-year-old Danielle, who was abducted and killed, testifies in court.

 

SAN DIEGO — Raw grief mingled with common titillation at the Danielle van Dam murder trial Wednesday as the slain second-grader’s father took the stand against her accused killer.

Damon van Dam gave a wrenching account of the 7-year-old’s abduction from the safety of her suburban bedroom, but under a relentless cross-examination by a defense lawyer, he bitterly confirmed rumors that he and his wife engaged in swinging, or wife-swapping.

“I have opened my life up — every detail — to try to get my daughter back and now to get justice for her,” a red-faced van Dam said after admitting that he had sexual relations with other women while his wife watched.

 

Defendant David Westerfield
Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty against David Westerfield, a 50-year-old engineer who lived two doors from the van Dams. They allege he is a pedophile who snatched her from her canopy bed Feb. 2, raped and suffocated her and then dumped her body along a rural road.

Damon van Dam’s grilling Wednesday, the second day of the trial, appeared to be part of a defense strategy to shift the focus away from strong DNA and other physical evidence against Westerfield and toward Danielle’s parents and their lifestyle.

It was unclear how well that approach played with jurors. As defense lawyer Steven Feldman got van Dam to acknowledge intimate relationships with two female guests in his home the night Danielle disappeared and that a third man present was his marijuana dealer, few jurors took notes. And as van Dam stammered with the uncomfortable questions, jurors stared at the lawyer instead of the witness.

During a sidebar conference between Judge William Mudd and the lawyers, van Dam stared at supporters in the gallery, shook his head and then in full view of the jury, slammed his forehead down on the witness box.

The day of testimony that ended in frustration and shame, began in tears. The software engineer choked with emotion as he showed jurors photographs of Danielle’s room, a young girl’s pink and purple dream. Stopping frequently to regain his composure, he pointed out her toy box and shiny white dresser, the "little fluffy hearts" hanging from her ceiling and her snowy canopy bed and lilac sheets.

"She was in her bed right here with her dollies," van Dam told the panel, describing the last time he saw his daughter. An alternate juror clutched her notebook to her chest and wiped at her eyes.

 

Danielle's room

Van Dam said that on that Friday night, his wife, Brenda, and two friends, identified as Barbara Easton and Denise Kemal, had scheduled a “girl’s night out” at a local bar. During cross-examination, van Dam said he and Kemal had sex in his bed once, a year before, while Kemal’s husband and Brenda van Dam were present. He acknowledged that he and Easton, an airline stewardess, had intercourse once and sexual relations twice. On those two occasions, he said, Brenda van Dam watched.


77 posted on 08/07/2002 8:41:21 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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To: YaYa123
Then, after my lawyer Feldman sat down beside me, I would have beaten the shitoutta him for being so unprepared for closing statements.

This by far is the most baffleing part of the whole trial, Feldman was so unprepaired for the big moment.

Maybe he felt Dusek thru a no-hitter in his closeing statements and he needed a knock-out. Anyway he was rattled.

78 posted on 08/07/2002 8:42:13 PM PDT by jdontom
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To: jdontom
Yea.....Right.....
79 posted on 08/07/2002 8:43:00 PM PDT by CAPPSMADNESS
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To: FresnoDA
well....goodnight all, I have played long enuff and I got a long shift ahead of me. Keep me pinged and bumped and posted on what happens tomorrow (besides doosuk's continual babble)
80 posted on 08/07/2002 8:45:13 PM PDT by CAPPSMADNESS
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