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ENDGAME---My Perception of the "Plan"
self | 3/29/03 | LS

Posted on 03/29/2003 6:09:00 AM PST by LS

Over the past week there have been numerous television generals and armchair pundits pontificating as if they knew "the Plan" and how this war was to unfold. They have generally (no pun intended) argued that

we have outrun our supply lines;

we haven't yet "engaged" the "elite" Republican Guard (RG);

and we have a house-to-house Mogadishu-type fight awaiting us in Baghdad (B-city).

Possibly in between, we have to face chem weapons. One military type on (I think) PMSNBC last night said that "we are running out of time," and that we "might not have time" to bring the 4th ID up for "political reasons" and he "worries that we will do something" stupid militarily for political reasons. Get it? If we wait, it proves our incompetence, and if we act with audacity, it is militarily stupid action taken for political reasons.

Guess ol' George and Don can't win. Or . . . can they?

What follows is TOTALLY from open sources. I have NO inside military information. As to the "what if the Iraqis read it?" I am convinced that Saddam is the arrogant one here, not Rumsfeld. EVEN if he understood this plan, he would not believe it could work. Remember, he has "his" plan too, and the western media is telling him "it is working." After all, the PMSNBC officer just confirmed it!

I think an altogether different scenario is emerging, one that virtually NO ONE has addressed.

1) 3ID is indeed resting. The men are worn out. Saddam isn't going anywhere. They are, according to reports SOMEWHAT short of food, but NOTHING ELSE. My guess is that they need sleep more than anything.

2) I Marine Ex. Force is going to slice eastward, cutting the battle zone in half. But the more important thing that is happening here is that both 3ID and I MAE (as well as the Brits, but they have other missions) are fixing the RG units in place SOUTH of Baghdad. See this quotation from today's AP report, that Saddam has his "military equipment in a residential neighbourhood south of the Iraqi capital" Good. That is exactly where we want them.

3) Last night on FOX, one of the excellent military guys they had pointed out that the AIR campaign will not be directed at Baghdad, but at areas BEHIND the RG units to the south, to keep them from reinforcing B-city. In fact, he said, these rolling bombardments would drive them forward. (Get it? To the west and south, into the "kill boxes" where our "pausing" troops have set up shop?)

4) This is the kicker. This is where Patton said we would hold them by the nose and kick them in the ass. The AS-YET COMPLETELY PHANTOM II Marine Expeditionary Force [11,000 men at least] which left Jordan weeks ago from the western deserts is not mentioned in any media accounts. Hmmmmm. Where are they. Moreover, the 101 AB has been flying in massive supplies to H-1, H-2, and H-3. These supplies are NOT going to 3ID. Wonder where they are going?

While the RG is pinned in the south, getting steadily driven onto the "bayonets" of the dug-in American positions, the Kurds seize the oil and key bases in the northeast. That leaves a huge gap in the enemy's defenses around B-city. . . . to the northwest.

I think we will see in the next few days a "phantom" army come out of the desert, just as Lawrence of Arabia did in WW I, to take B-city from the lightly defended northwest.

SPECIAL FORCES are already inside B-city; today's news carries reports of "insurrections" [!} in B-city. The special ops guys are "shaping the battlefield," paving the way, marking the friendly neighborhoods where II MAE can come. Oh, and in the process, they will seize that airfield to the northwest and be able to reinforce pretty quickly.

Much was made of the 101 "guarding the supply lines" for the 3 ID. Do you really think we are using crack airborne troops to watch trucks roll by when there is an open airfield in b-city?

The final collapse will come when a combination of insurrections, American obliteration of the RG outside B-city to the south, and II MAE liberation of B-city to the north push Saddam deep into his bunkers. We only need to capture one. As I understand, they are LINKED by tunnels.

Oh, and chem weapons? The bombing from behind will take these out at the source. Iraqi troops then would risk using them and being driven (literally, running) into enemy fire in front of them while still struggling with these suits, or not using the weapons.


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I reiterate: all from published sources, and only my opinion.
1 posted on 03/29/2003 6:09:00 AM PST by LS
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To: LS
Wait, let me get my map out...
2 posted on 03/29/2003 6:12:19 AM PST by BushWonGore'sDone
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To: LS
Interesting - thanks!
3 posted on 03/29/2003 6:15:41 AM PST by shattered
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To: LS
Yep. And you could be right. But as not everyone knows, assembling unclassified information into a sufficiently coherent mass makes it classified. "C" is unclassified, "A" in unclassified, and "T" is unclassified. But "CAT" may still, and rightly, be considered a secret!
4 posted on 03/29/2003 6:20:08 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: LS
The news media is generally wrong. Not always wrong, but generally wrong. They don't see the entire picture, they only get bits and pieces. Your scenario is very plausable. I'm expecting some activity from the north myself.
5 posted on 03/29/2003 6:21:48 AM PST by meyer
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Yep. And you could be right. But as not everyone knows, assembling unclassified information into a sufficiently coherent mass makes it classified. "C" is unclassified, "A" in unclassified, and "T" is unclassified. But "CAT" may still, and rightly, be considered a secret!

As well, DOG may be waiting behind the scenes!

6 posted on 03/29/2003 6:22:40 AM PST by meyer
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To: LS
*bump*
7 posted on 03/29/2003 6:27:12 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: LS
Look for "The Lonesome End" play with the ball going to the 4th ID for a touchdown. There is an awful lot that we don't see going on behind the scenes, and some big surprises coming.

regards - red

8 posted on 03/29/2003 6:39:48 AM PST by rednek (if it isn't large caliber, it isn't worth carrying)
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To: LS
Much was made of the 101 "guarding the supply lines" for the 3 ID. Do you really think we are using crack airborne troops to watch trucks roll by when there is an open airfield in b-city?

Yes, I'm sure we are using some troops from the 101st to help guard those supply lines. That is a very important mission as the 3rd ID prepares to engage the Republican Guard. However, they aren't staying stationary " watching trucks roll by". They are patrolling the supply routes in their Blackhawks, ready to quickly respond to any attacks. I'm sure as more troops from the 4th ID and other units the make it to Iraq the 101st will be relieved of this responsibility.

As for the airfield in B-city, that sounds like a mission for the Rangers. We haven't heard much about the Rangers, but I think all three Ranger Bat's are out West someplace and we should be hearing from them when the time comes to take Baghdad.

9 posted on 03/29/2003 6:40:43 AM PST by Norman Arbuthnot
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To: LS
Very interesting, and plausible. Thanks for the food for thought.
10 posted on 03/29/2003 6:44:59 AM PST by kimmie7 (TIME TO TAKE THE GLOVES OFF!!!)
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To: kimmie7
ping
11 posted on 03/29/2003 6:48:59 AM PST by JIM O
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To: LS
...very interesting.....another point I would like to make.....several weeks ago we were shown video of heavy equipment off-loaded in Turkey and put on rails and convoy moving north...This was not the 4th's equipment...whose was it and where is it?.......hmmmmmmm!
12 posted on 03/29/2003 6:54:00 AM PST by mystery-ak (Saddam...your time is almost up..my hubby and son are on their way to kick your a$$ out of Baghdad!)
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To: LS
HHMMmm I say again..... Hhhhhhhmmmmmm
13 posted on 03/29/2003 6:59:21 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: LS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Admin Moderator
Pity this got moved to the fluff section of Fr. I certainly would not consider this excellent commentary to be in the same category as articles like "Cow tips outhouse" or "Girl injured in shopping cart accident."
14 posted on 03/29/2003 7:07:56 AM PST by MizSterious ("The truth takes only seconds to tell."--Jack Straw)
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To: LS
I think one of the most interesting posts over the past week was an article about the opinions of Israeli militry experts. If I recall, the gist of the article was 1)they respected how the US was conducting the war (quite a compliment, considering the source) 2)the US is conducting one of the most successful disinformation campaighns in history in regards to the location and strength of our forces 3)they had no idea where some of our major attack forces were.
This seems to fit in with the theory put forth by LS.
Perhaps he deserves the Tom Clancey Figured It Out By Himself award.
15 posted on 03/29/2003 7:12:05 AM PST by JusPasenThru (Eliminate the ninnies and the twits...)
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To: LS
The AS-YET COMPLETELY PHANTOM II Marine Expeditionary Force [11,000 men at least] which left Jordan weeks ago from the western deserts is not mentioned in any media accounts.

A polite Japanese? reporter asked where the II ME was at this morning's CentCom briefing. The briefer (didn't catch his name or rank) said he couldn't answer that, but that they were in the theater of operation....

16 posted on 03/29/2003 7:19:03 AM PST by browardchad
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Thought you might find this interesting.
17 posted on 03/29/2003 7:21:52 AM PST by MizSterious ("The truth takes only seconds to tell."--Jack Straw)
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To: knighthawk
Meant to ping you--good analysis/commentary here.
18 posted on 03/29/2003 7:53:03 AM PST by MizSterious ("The truth takes only seconds to tell."--Jack Straw)
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To: LS
hello LS,

a thoughtful and intelligent assessment, which I agree with. My comments/additions follow:

The main reason I agree with your analysis; it reflects the flexibility that our Armed Forces have. This flexibility is based on many things (in no specific order of importance); our battle doctrine and training, military intelligence, dominance of the air and of the C3 theaters, and the tremendous moral imperative that we have to rid the world of such a brutal regime AND to eradicate any current or potential WMD within Iraq. The last factor - remove the regime to liberate those poor souls, then remove the WMD threat - I do(!) place in order of precedence... by far, the most important goal for the United States and the Coalition should be to completely destroy Saddam and any and ALL military/paramilitary/fedayeen personnel that have been used against their own people.

I also appreciate that a fellow citizen can understand the flexibility issue, which is more than I can say for our media (can you believe those CENTCOM briefings??? the press there are asking what I call "guided missile" questions... the wording, the tactical positioning of the questions, the noticeable lack of questions exploring the successes of the campaign-to-date; all focus or infer that we are somehow failing at this mission).

History and experience teaches us that despite the training a military force undergoes, the terrible truth is that War is a lesson that must be relearned by each generation. This is just as true on the national as well as the personal level. (In this context...) the beginning of a war is always marked by a certain measure of alarm and naivete, of a lack of battle-hardening, among the troops, the public and the press.

But history also shows that the naivete quickly dissipates both in the national consciousness and in the combat experience of the troops on the frontline. In short, the shrill voices of the Helen Thomases and Hillary Clintons of the world are soon drowned out and made irrelevant by the Ernie Pyles that arise from within such times as these. I think it's already starting to happen.

Speaking of Ernie Pyle... in WWII he was what we call today, an "embedded" journalist - and we remember Ernie today as a journalist who was able to effectively bridge the gap between the soldier's lot on the frontlines and world's understanding of it. Those 500 or so embedded journalists currently on the front lines with our fellow Americans and our Allies are (imho) the beginning of the end for the leftist, anti-American media. I would say they are the Dan Rather's of tomorrow, but that would be holding them to a shallow standard. These young Turks will in time become the leaders of their profession, though... and what will seperate them from the Rather's and Brokaws will be the first-hand experience they're getting in seeing our noble Sons and Daughters fight.

Again, thanks for your analysis. God Bless America.

Juan Rosario, Lieutenant(jg), United States Coast Guard(ret)
19 posted on 03/29/2003 8:00:49 AM PST by CGVet58 (I still miss my ex-wife... but my aim is improving!)
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Ha! Thanks for the Clancy award. I'd like to thank the Academy . . . .
20 posted on 03/29/2003 8:45:00 AM PST by LS
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