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[ Daily Tolkien ] A Tolkien Virgin: The Hobbit - Chapters 18 and 19
Tolkien Online ^ | July 14, 2000 | mark-Edmond

Posted on 05/02/2003 2:55:37 PM PDT by JameRetief

A Tolkien Virgin: The Hobbit - Chapters 18 and 19
by Mark-Edmond

The Hobbit Journey Ends

Chapter 18
The Return Journey


The Lonely Mountain

So, I was right about Beorn. But, how sad about Thorin and Fili and Kili, at least Thorin took back the nasty things he had said to Bilbo before he died. That kinda brings up a point about the dwarven afterlife. Thorin says he is about to go to the halls of waiting, which I assume means the halls of Mandos--the self-same place elves go when they die. Have you ever thought of elves and dwarves hanging out together in the Halls of Mandos? I wonder how elves and dwarves act toward one another there, and just what do they do while they wait? Could Thorin strike up a conversation with Feanor? Ha! Not that they would really have anything to say to each other. It would be cool to check out anything else Tolkien has written on the subject of the dwarven/elven afterlife.

When you think about it, it's so good that as a result of the adventure of Bilbo and the dwarves Smaug was killed and the Wargs and Goblins mostly slain so that there was a lenghty peace in the land. But, to consider the cost is quite a sad thing. So I fully understand how Bilbo was feeling weighed down and all adventured-out at the end. Tolkien notes in passing that Bilbo had many other adventures on his return trip, and I can't help but wonder what they were--what could they have been?

Chapter 19
The Last Stage


The Death of Thorin Oakenshield.

Ah...at last I have finished the Hobbit! It feels good. And in the end, it is an enjoyable story. This chapter, as somewhat of an epilogue, was nice. I've spent long periods of time away from home, myself, and I know how good it feels to come home... It makes me really appreciate being home right now for this short time I move to Japan for at least a year.

So, Balin says that Bilbo really was lucky, but with a broad purpose to benefit many others. And truthfully, I was less disappointed by the story's reliance on Bilbo's luck than I first thought. It wasn't always clear how things were going to work out well.

In thinking about the story from start to finish, I wonder just how insightful Gandalf was--what exactly was his interest in helping the dwarves? The original goal was ostensibly to retrieve their treasure (from what I remember). Without much interest in treasure himself, is it possible that Gandalf really foresaw Smaug's death, the battle of the 5 armies, the re-establishment of the dwarven kings and of Dale by helping the dwarves and Bilbo with their quest for ancient treasure? I mean it seems that Gandalf hadn't realized that the best way out of Mirkwood was through the elf king's palace. He very specifically warned them not to stray from the path. So, just how much clairvoyance does Gandalf have? Was his warning to not stray from the path his way of making sure they didn't stray from the path until the right moment? Is he truly a maiar (as I believe I've heard from somewhere), and if so is he an emissary of Manwe, and has seen and understood much of the song of Illuvatar--the story of the world from before time? Thinking about Gandalf's involvement in the story, I have another question or two. Specifically, who is the Necromancer exactly and where did he come from? In what way is he evil, and how was he (temporarily) dispatched by Gandalf and the other wizards?

Thinking back over the story I have a lot of questions, evidently. But, when I stop analyzing I enjoy the story for what it is (as I've said before a number of times). It's nice to think of Bilbo reclining in front of his hobbit-hole blowing smoke rings and reminiscing about his adventures and knowing how much good had been accomplished not necessarily by him, but through him--as Balin very astutely pointed out at the very end.

I'm not sure that I like the Silmarillion more than I like the Hobbit. The Hobbit is definitely less devastating, but also less grand. I feel like I've gone from looking at an enormous painting to looking at the same painting under a microscope. I like doing both (history is made up of the lives of hundreds of millions of individuals), looking at the specific within the context of the big picture.

Now, it's time for me to start my journey through what most of you consider Tolkien's greatest works, The Lord of the Rings trilogy (isn't there really 6 books, published as 3, or something like that? If 3 is a trilogy, what is 6? a sextology? a hexology?). It will be interesting to see how the two books of Tolkien's that I have read (the Silmarillion, first, and now the Hobbit) are incorporated in the telling of the books I'm about to read. How will his narrative and writing style compare to those two very different works. As I'm sure many of you are aware, many believe that the Hobbit wasn't originally part of Tolkiien's Middle Earth mythos. If I remember correctly, Jonathan read me a quote from Tolkien himself in which he stated that the story of the Hobbit was extrapolated directly from his Middle Earth mythos, but dumbed down a little bit to make it a children's story. When I'm done with the LotR, it will be nice to know how he had to change the Hobbit to make it work with LotR.

Something worth discussing, on the other hand, is whether any of you have favorite moments or characters in the Hobbit. One of the people following these reviews--this diary of my virgin-journey--asked me the same question. What I found odd was that despite my enjoyment of the story as a whole, I don't have any favorites. There a lot of moments that are either fun, exciting, intriguing, somber, or even down right strange, but none of them jumps out at me as a favorite. In the same way. there are a lot of good characters: Bilbo's character development was fun to watch, though I didn't really start liking him till probably his adventures with the spiders; Gandalf was interesting and adequately mysterious, but gone half the time; the characterization of the dwarves was good, exhibiting many different traits at different times--comical, cowardly, foolhearty, pessimistic, proud, over-zealous, and even noble; Beorn was fantastic, bizarre, and fun. Smaug was dreadful and intriguing; Gollum was frightening, evil, and pathetic all at once. But, like I said, no favorites. How 'bout you? Any favorites?

Well, I've rambled on long enough, and I do believe I have some reading to do :)

Author: Mark-Edmond
Published on:
July 14, 2000

The next Tolkien Virgin article covers: The Fellowship of the Ring - Book 1 - Prologue & Chapter 1


TOPICS: Books/Literature; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: daily; hobbit; lordoftherings; tolkien

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71) The Division of Arnor 34) The Hobbit - Chapters 15, 16 and 17
72) Have you been to Valinor lately? 35) The Hobbit - Chapters 18 and 19
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74) The Quests of Middle-earth  
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76) Harondor ~The Strategic Role of South Gondor~  

1 posted on 05/02/2003 2:55:37 PM PDT by JameRetief
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To: maquiladora; ecurbh; HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom; Maigret; NewCenturions; 24Karet; Wneighbor; ...
Your Tolkien Virgin Ping!

Read along with a Tolkien Virgin as he discovers and comments on the history of Middle Earth as he reads it for the first time.  These articles started with The Silmarillion, has now journeyed through The Hobbit, and will finish with the epic Lord Of The Rings.  At the pace of 2 articles per week (Mondays and Fridays) the articles will wrap up about the same time that the final movie of the Lord Of The Rings story is released. 

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2 posted on 05/02/2003 2:56:02 PM PDT by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
Yer in fer the ultimate fantasy ride of your life.

The Necromancer, well, you've heard his name before, and he is one of the major players coming up.

Your question about Gandalf is answered in the LotR.

The Silmarillion is the grand tapestry, behind everything you'll be reading in LotR.

My favorite part of the Hobbit is when....they find Turgon's sword in the hoard of the trolls. Neat thing, finding magical swords.

Thanks for sharing, can't wait for the UPS and DOWNS soon to come!
3 posted on 05/03/2003 7:02:13 AM PDT by Stopislamnow
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To: JameRetief
Oh yah, Smaug....think of a War, with various campaigns. Some ya don't even know are campaigns until after the War.

Smaug would be a wonderful tool for a Lieutenant of Morgoth planning to...oops!(lil spoiler)

4 posted on 05/03/2003 7:05:36 AM PDT by Stopislamnow
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To: 2Jedismom; Alkhin; Alouette; Anitius Severinus Boethius; artios; AUsome Joy; austinTparty; ...

Ring Ping!!

Anyone wishing to be added to or removed from the Ring-Ping list, please don't hesitate to let me know.

5 posted on 05/06/2003 4:02:29 PM PDT by ecurbh (Entmoot '04 - Be there or be a plane figure having 4 equal sides and 4 right angles.)
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