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I'm burnt Out today & Bored - What's the best business casual carry gun?
Me | 16 June 2003 | PatrioticAmerican

Posted on 06/16/2003 7:19:18 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican

I wear business casual clothes, slacks& shirt, quite often, as well as suits. Suits are easy to carry for, but for slacks and a shirt in the summertime, it gets more difficult.

So, what's your personal favorite handgun for concealed carry wearing summertime business casual clothes and how do you carry? What holster, daytimer, or pouch, etc.?


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1 posted on 06/16/2003 7:19:19 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: *bang_list
Red meat incoming.
2 posted on 06/16/2003 7:21:03 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Is this a rhetorical question designed to elicit many replies or do you really need advice on this?
3 posted on 06/16/2003 7:22:31 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: big ern
The wif’, nugnut, says hers is a white pearl-handled Derringer in a white lace bra. Unfortunately, bras make me itch in the summertime.
4 posted on 06/16/2003 7:22:43 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
P.S. haha.
5 posted on 06/16/2003 7:22:53 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Um make sure your bra is underwired for optimum sparks effects! ;-)
6 posted on 06/16/2003 7:24:08 PM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: big ern
Me thinks this is a "loaded" question.
8 posted on 06/16/2003 7:25:14 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: big ern
I seriously want to know. Colorado just changed the rules denying Denver the right to ban guns. Hence, we can carry in Denver on business. I live in Highlands Ranch, 12 miles south of Denver, and I carry often. In Denver I had to leave my guns at home, but now I can carry.

Considering that I go to Denver often for business, I carry now, but its a bitch in slacks. I am sure some FReepers also carry in business and their experiences would be very useful.

Besides, it has been a slow news day.
9 posted on 06/16/2003 7:25:29 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Keltec P32 -- fits in any pocket, and weighs next to nothing. I go jogging with it in my shorts pocket.
10 posted on 06/16/2003 7:25:35 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: PatrioticAmerican
My favorite subject. Summer brings heat, heat brings sweat, and lightweight, loose clothing.

Something stainless, lightweight, slim design, semiauto. Does the Beretta Tomcat come in stainless?

If you want to go reall small, there is a 5 shot 22 mag revolver that will fit in the palm of your hand and can easily be hidden in your pocket. North American Arms? (can't remember)
11 posted on 06/16/2003 7:25:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: ThomasJackson
We have a Taurus 5 shot 38. Nice, but breaks easy. We are sending it back for the second time now. I broke it last week after only 100 rounds. The internals have jammed.

The 7 shot Taurus that I have shoots like a dream and works very well, but it is too large for concealed carry.
12 posted on 06/16/2003 7:26:55 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Does the Beretta Tomcat come in stainless?"

We have the Beretta Bobcat in 22. Not bad, but the Tomcat in 32 is better. They have wide grips, so concealed carry is more dificult.
13 posted on 06/16/2003 7:27:48 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: big ern
.45 Lightweight Commander in a Milt Sparks Summer Special IWB, crossdraw in front of the left hip under an Aloha shirt worn outside the pants. (If you have too much gut or are planning a big Italian lunch, put it behind your right hip) For business or other not-too-casual activities, make it one of the muted reverse prints or more conservative sport shirts with square tails designed to wear outside the pants.
14 posted on 06/16/2003 7:28:07 PM PDT by Chuckster
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Something flat like a Walther P5, 9mm. I carry a Glock 30, but it is sometimes too thick. The Glock G36 is only a tad thinner, but only carries 6+1.
15 posted on 06/16/2003 7:28:44 PM PDT by umgud (gov't has more money than it needs, but never as much as it wants)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"Keltec P32 "

Is it reliable and well built? I've actually never shot one.
16 posted on 06/16/2003 7:28:51 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: Chuckster
"Milt Sparks"

I like their pocket holster. It is a good design. I have a dealer in town and can check one out.
19 posted on 06/16/2003 7:31:21 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: ThomasJackson
Taurus has an excellent warranty that we used once with zero problems or complaints. It is just that about one in five of their guns seems to need to be returned. This seems to be common problem for Taurus, so it is a great thing that they have ane excellent warrantee program.

I hope they improve their quality as their firearms are of excellent user design.
20 posted on 06/16/2003 7:33:05 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
I'm assuming you tuck your shirt in when dressing business casual.

Mitch Rosen, FIST out of NY, Blade Tech (Kydex is rough on bare skin so if you wear a tshirt it works better, and Galco all sell holsters that allow you to tuck your shirt in while wearing.

You then must pick a weapon.

Standard response revolver or semiautomatic?


Pick one and then find what tradeoff you want to make, caliber or capacity?

Then it's just a matter of finding one that suits your hand, body and budget.

Shouldn't take more than five minutes to make these decisions.
21 posted on 06/16/2003 7:33:12 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
http://www.naaminis.com/magnum.html
22 posted on 06/16/2003 7:34:01 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Don't forget the damage that a quick opening lockblade knife can do. That is why the police like to keep several paces away from BG who they think might be dangerous. And it is legal practically everywhere, even at places guns are not like bars.
24 posted on 06/16/2003 7:38:16 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
I've owned, and continue to own, several Taurus guns, including their 38 Special, etc. All have operated flawlessly. If you claim a 20% failure rate, I'd be willing to bet $1K you are wrong BY MORE THAN 50%. And, if you want to get down to it, I bet their failure rate is less than 2%. (Probably less than 1%...)

Sheesh.

25 posted on 06/16/2003 7:40:50 PM PDT by Rightone
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Model 27 glock.
26 posted on 06/16/2003 7:41:45 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Go to http://www.action-direct.com or similar website, and get a pocket holster. A 9mm Glock 26 fits in the front pocket of my Dockers, or slacks, and no one can tell. Fast draw is possible, but you have to start with your hand in your pocket, on the gun. The holster provides trigger protection also.
27 posted on 06/16/2003 7:42:06 PM PDT by Nightmare (From The Left Coast)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
I have opted for a 410 shotgun, five rounds of buckshot, barrel reduced to only 3 inches. This tiny little horror has awesome firepower and straps neatly under my Brooks Brothers suit for evening wear or even dress casual apparel.


28 posted on 06/16/2003 7:42:38 PM PDT by rmvh
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Would you believe that knives are NOT included in our concealed wepaons law? We have a Concealed Firearms law that only states firearms, no knives, and Denver has a anti-knife law. Go figure. Anyway, I do carry a 3" folder. It's legal.
29 posted on 06/16/2003 7:45:12 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: rmvh
You've just GOT to post a picture!
30 posted on 06/16/2003 7:45:40 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: Nightmare
A G-26? I'll have to check that out.
31 posted on 06/16/2003 7:46:28 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: Rightone
Less than 2%? I'll bet a virtual beer that that the rate is closer to my number than yours.

I know several gun store owners who also make that claim. So, I'll check the web for any references.
33 posted on 06/16/2003 7:49:00 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I like the P32, but as a second gun, or when you just can't find a way to carry a larger caliber gun discreetly (or when being "made" is unthinkable).

A slim 9mm in a Pager Pal inside the pants-front holster is another deep conceal item.

I like an IWB holster, with a slim 9mm. A light sport shirt can have the tails tucked in, and fully conceal the gun. If you blouse around the middle so that it's not tucked in tight, it's well-concealed. In hot weather, either plan on metal and grip texture against your bare skin, or the warmth of a t-shirt (a sleevless wife-beater would be fine).

Slim 9mms include Kahr K9 (or K40), HK P7, Rohrbaugh (coming soon.) Also, the Keltec has a 380ACP that is almost the same size as the P32.
34 posted on 06/16/2003 7:49:31 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: PatrioticAmerican
The P32 is a fine, reliable gun. Be sure to use good ammo (Winchester Silvertip or better) and put a couple hundred rounds through it no matter the cost, before you bet your life on it.

However, the 6 rounds of 32ACP are rather wimpy, so that is the big limitation. Your shots had better hit. But most defensive gun uses don't involve firing, and NO ONE will laugh at even a small gun.
35 posted on 06/16/2003 7:52:21 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: PatrioticAmerican
I have tried several different weapons, and different methods, the most comfortable, and satisfactory I have found is a stainless, snub nose .357 in a cheap pocket holster in my right front pants pocket.
36 posted on 06/16/2003 7:52:56 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Sweet! Very nice.


37 posted on 06/16/2003 7:55:10 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: ThomasJackson
I regularily bet my life on the .40 Keltec.
38 posted on 06/16/2003 7:55:16 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: PatrioticAmerican; Jim Robinson
And this merits front page because...?
40 posted on 06/16/2003 7:56:39 PM PDT by don-o
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To: PatrioticAmerican
here is another option.


41 posted on 06/16/2003 7:58:41 PM PDT by eXe (The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
If I ever get involved in some serious business, I would hope that I have my Ruger KP90 loaded with my favorite Corbon 200gr +P hollow points on hand. Unfortunately, given the massive size of the KP90, this is not possible in my day-to-day business casual dress environment. Instead, I have found that the Beretta 950BS -.25 Cal. in stainless steel is the best compromise for absolute concealability and firepower. It holds nine rounds with the chamber charged and sports both a safety and a hammer half-cocked position. For liability reasons, I typically keep it loaded with Glaser frangible rounds. With this caliber, the best you can hope for is to bring your opponent down with one or two torso shots for shock value followed up with one or two shots to the head. I use a pocket wallet style holsters that can be obtained at any local gun show to round off this style of carry. Comments welcomed.
42 posted on 06/16/2003 7:58:47 PM PDT by Desron13
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To: Beelzebubba
"NO ONE will laugh at even a small gun"

That really is the main point. I can handle myself well with any sized bad guy, but being out numbered or outclassed is more the problem. A gun is a nice equalizer. Besides, I want to just because I can now. PHTTTTT! to Denver.
43 posted on 06/16/2003 7:59:42 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican; rmvh
 You've just GOT to post a picture!

kAcknor Sez:

I'll do it. Sounded interesting to me also. This puppy also fires .45 colt (not ACP). Pic linked to site & info.

 

"tIqIpqu' 'ej nom tIqIp" (Hit them hard and hit them fast.)

Have you checked the *bang_list today?

44 posted on 06/16/2003 8:00:15 PM PDT by kAcknor
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To: PatrioticAmerican
My wife carries a Taurus Ultralite .38 special, and I carry a Taurus 605 .357, neither one has ever given a problem.
45 posted on 06/16/2003 8:00:59 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Ruger SP-101: One of the best designed revolvers
46 posted on 06/16/2003 8:01:12 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: eXe
The Guardian has had the best overall ratings in the rags, so it certainly is a choice. I've never shot one. If you have, how does it shoot? I'm the type of guy where I'll buy on recommendation and take my chances. Then, again, I've never bought a gun I didn't like. (There are a number of them I would never buy in the first place.)
47 posted on 06/16/2003 8:01:15 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
I've usually got a SIG P229 in .40 tucked into a special briefcase. It has an internal pocket/holster arrangement that can be reached handily from the outside. Said briefcase also has an internal kevalr panel for just a bit of exra protection.

Sans briefcase, my favorite 'businessman's special' and all time favorite backup weapon is a Walther PPK/S .380 in stainless. Loaded with hydrashok hollowpoints, it shoots reliably and accurately in my hands.

YMMV, but it works for me.
49 posted on 06/16/2003 8:02:06 PM PDT by Noumenon (Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away. -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: kAcknor
45 Colt? Wow! It's a bit too big for slacks carry, but I'd never say no to one of those. I reload for the 45 Colt and it's one of my favorite cartridges.
50 posted on 06/16/2003 8:02:29 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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