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Word For The Day, Wednesday, August 20, 2003
The Verbivores | 8/20/03 | Teacher

Posted on 08/20/2003 5:17:27 AM PDT by RikaStrom

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I can't find it - where's todays Word for the Day?????
641 posted on 08/21/2003 12:01:56 PM PDT by dixie sass (GOD bless America)
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To: dixie sass
Here you go Dixie.

WFTD Thursday

642 posted on 08/21/2003 12:17:37 PM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: PoorMuttly
Mine certainly does! She tried to put her nose in my class of scotch last night! LOL
643 posted on 08/21/2003 12:18:13 PM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: RikaStrom
Apathetic jocularity begets jocular apathy.

Roughly.
644 posted on 08/21/2003 12:20:38 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (Sorry. Muttly ate Tag Line again)
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To: Concerto in D; secret garden; Agnes Heep
Concerto, I've been called a hunk a few times when I was younger and thinner, but it isn't likely to happen any more. :^)

It's a lovely portrait, isn't it? Although fairly idealized: no sign of his pox-marked (and ruddy?) complexion. And if the artist is trying to convince us the score is in Beethoven's writing (maybe Beethoven was correcting a copy? Nah!), he'd better try harder, the little bit showing is far too neat, Beethoven's manuscripts were impenetrable.

Oh, well, it's still my favourite portrait, except maybe for this:


Dürer by Dürer at age 28.

645 posted on 08/23/2003 7:09:06 PM PDT by Argh (is going back to bed because he's sick)
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To: Argh
I hope by now that you are on the mend. I am enjoying the classical music dialogue. Salieri and Mozart were not the only interesting ones, were they?
646 posted on 08/23/2003 8:00:56 PM PDT by secret garden (now what?)
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To: secret garden; Concerto in D; Agnes Heep
Salieri and Mozart were not the only interesting ones, were they?

They certainly weren't the only interesting ones (see this story about Gesualdo (I'm not sure the data in the last paragraph is all accurate), a Renaissance composer who used in his music what I've seen described as Wagnerian chromaticisms, and murdered his wife and her lover when he caught them).

They were interesting in the movie and play it was based on, "Amadeus" (F. Murray was WONDERFUL! And by the way, the guy who played Emperor Joseph II really looked like the original's portraits, a little bugeyed:^)). The movie was for artistic (and presumably Hollywood) purposes largely historically erroneous. Salieri and Mozart were competitors when Mozart first moved to Vienna in the early 1780's. Salieri (who's music I've heard a little of, and find it somewhat tedious) had a court position, Wolfgang wanted one. But they ended up becoming pretty friendly, and I don't believe there's any contemporary evidence of Salieri's lingering jealousy.

Salieri did NOT commission the Requiem for the Dead, that was commissioned by a "mysterious", darkly-dressed servant of a wealthy man who wanted to present the piece as his own work and a gift for his mistress! So Salieri did not sit there taking dictation from Mozart on his death bed, although a pal of Mozart's named Sussmayer (who may have fathered one of Wolfgang's kids!, yes, another rumour) probably did so. (Mozart WAS buried in a pauper's grave, the location of which is unknown today). A lot of other things in the movie didn't happen (although some could have, Mozart did have an infantile obsession of sorts with bathroom functions, although when it came to his music he was a serious artist), I've never seen that his wife took his manuscripts to Salieri, I doubt VERY much he made a remark to the Emperor about Hercules shitting marble, although he would have been an early proponent as presenting opera characters as something closer to real people than had been the trend until then, etc.

Many years later, an aged and goofy Salieri in an asylum of sorts DID claim he'd murdered Mozart (poison, I believe), and the Viennese police did look into it (maybe they talked to Mrs. Mozart, who'd remarried and moved away) and found no evidence, naturally, after all those years. But the story lingered: decades later Rimsky-Korsakov wrote a brief opera about Salieri doing the poisoning, and it got to be a rumour that never quite went away (an aunt of mine had heard it and believed it, she told me when the movie came out, although she'd never looked into it). It's guessed now (we'll likely never know for sure) that Mozart died of edema, or rheumatic fever, or maybe trichinosis.

However, I enjoyed the movie so much, I saw it twice in the theatre within a week! (The only movie I've seen more than once in a movie house). The greatest music ever used for background! (Not the same as great background music, which should enhance what's happening on the screen while impinging on conscious listening as little as possible, a tricky thing to achieve).

647 posted on 08/25/2003 7:21:36 AM PDT by Argh
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Not a bad little link to Gesualdo, a composer I truly love to listen to. He wrote some of the most challenging music of the time. By the way, besides his crazy madrigals he wrote some hauntingly beautiful sarcred music, including settings of the Tenebrae service, which is available on CD from ECM sung by the Hilliard ensemble. I highly recommend it.
648 posted on 08/25/2003 9:15:55 AM PDT by Lostinacademe
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To: Lostinacademe
Thank you! I've got it! 2 CD's, right? But haven't listened to it yet. (Spank me!) I've also got Gesualdo recordings by William Christie and by Phillips and the Tallis Scholars - aren't the Scholars wonderful to listen to? (Although I understand their use of women's voices isn't always authentic, who cares, they sound and sing beautifully).
649 posted on 08/25/2003 11:48:02 AM PDT by Argh
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