Posted on 05/15/2010 12:57:52 AM PDT by The Watcher
I watched the video of Gov Christie talking to the reporter and it reminded me why I just can't be in the GOP. Or any party, it seems. I thought I'd post my thoughts on the topic, which I wrote separately in a moment of introspection.
I've never voted for a Democrat, just to be sure... But why can't the GOP be something besides simpering, terrified lapdogs, afraid of their own shadow? Seriously, why can't you grow some...something... and develop at least a minute fraction of the guts of Christie? Why is the RNC so utterly deferential to libs and to the press? I mean, grow a pair. Say "we're stopping this leftward lemming rush over the cliff of destruction, even if it means we fill the house, senate, and every office in DC with protesting Tea Party people and bring this government to a HALT! Either you're serious.... Or you're not. And presently, the GOP is about as unserious as those actors in Hollywood whining about global warming after flying around the world in thier jets.
Can't understand why the Tea Party sprang into being? It's simple, ordinary, non partisan people, have become SO frustrated at the Democrats stupidity, and the utter refusal of the GOP to be anything but terrified lapdogs who do not believe in the Constiution, law, or anything vaguely American. RNC... GROW SOME CONVICTIONS AND FIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY, instead of just playing silly games.
It seems that few people these days want to take the time to say what they really think. Perhaps, they don't want to really think, and just want to "feel" aabout things. Well, that's not me.
When the TEA Party people started their protests, and the protests gained strength, I realized why I identified with them. I have never publicly protested anything. I have never run for office. I would not want it, even if it were offered without the race, because I'm not one who really wants to be confrontational. If I were in office, I would have to be. After all, the mindless stupidity of being ten or twelve or fourteen trillion in debt, or whatever it is this week, is so beyond anything acceptable as "sane" it's no longer a matter of debating the merits of what's being done. It's simply calling "stupid"...Stupid.
Any individual or businessman who ran his affairs this way would be recognized as either a fraud...cheat...or mind bogglingly stupid. But, seemingly no politician can bring himself to say it.
Adding massive new entitlements, hugely economicly disruptive rules, laws, taxes, and regulations, and massive new controls on the marketplace in these times? Again, it's so many light-years from a position called "sane" there's not words to describe it.
Us ordinary people may have never approved. We just somehow, perhaps naively thought that eventually, as it does in every other aspect of our lives, reality would force the bozos who are playing government into rational behavior. But the precise opposite happened. And now, the last vestige of the sane and sensible, the ordinary schmucks, have realized that the inmates are running the country, not just the assylum.
Which brings me back to my original point. There's nothing even slightly radical about believing tens of trillions of debt, along with scores of trillions of redistributive governmental obligations is insanity, just NOT wise or prudent...Or even surviveable.
It's not even slightly insane to think that government should live within the clear, obvious, and, well, very, very plain boundaries of the Constitution. And that cleverly constructed blather to the contrary should simply be ignored as coming from unserious people. Nor is any of this "radical", either. In fact, it's, well, prudent.
So why can't the GOP even try? I mean, seriously. The opposition to Obamacare was so pathetic. Either it was wrong... or it wasn't. If it was wrong, it should have been stopped. And I mean, STOPPED. The left's perfectly willing to blackmail and disrupt, and all they're doing is just being obnoxious until you give them someone else's money so they'll go away... until tomorrow, when they want some more.
Why didn't the GOP open the doors to their offices and to the whole of Congress? Flood the place with protesters and bring the proceedings to a STOP??? And the, negotiated hardball. "Yeah, we'll ask them to leave when you promise in writing to pass OUR bill!".
It's not like we the people are trying to do anything but get the Constitution back in order and the government back into it's boundaries, and sanity restored to our nation's books. No, we're not trying to take over, become tyrants, inflict massive social upheaveal or any other such stuff. No, just plain old fashioned prudence and judgement and respect for our fundamental laws.
If the GOP can't bring itself to fight for that, without shame, without hesitation, without apology or excuse, when what good is it? The other side plays as dishonestly, as deceptively, as violently, as demandingly and plays desperate hardball... TO DEMAND WRONG, COMPROMISE OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THE RULE OF LAW. Why is the GOP so timid about doing the RIGHT ( and defensible in every aspect ) thing, and unwilling to do it with more determination than an overcooked spaghettie noodle?
It's easy to see why the TEA Party is here. It's a last desperate plea from the final and last resort of the sane and sensible. So, when...Or should I ask, WILL, the GOP ever decide to get serious? If not, it serves no useful purpose and might as well not exist. It certainly isn't doing anything worthy now. As my daddy used to say "try" counts nothing, "Do" is all that matters.
I'd like to get an answer from Steele himself. From the "leadership" in Congress that's not leading. How ya suppose I get them to do it?
President Christie 2016
Pretty easy replacing something that committed suicide.
The government is too large, bloated and corrupt. The average politican in Washington DC does not give a ratt’s ass about our country. They ONLY think about their next election and how to get more power over the people. This is NOT what our founders envisioned. I know that!
All you have to do is look at this link below to know we are in deep $hit as a nation.
We are one of 19 nations just like Greece. Look at the price of gold compared to the U.S. dollar since 1998. We are about to implode thanks to our lousy corrupt politicians that are doing this on purpose. Just think about it. This is the best Harvard and Yale can produce. Good grief we are in trouble.
You siad:
OK, so you are self-admitting a lack of responsibility.
Then you might temper your criticism of those who HAVE stepped up to take the responsibility, by considering that THEY too are just human, fallible, and can only do what they can do.
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“human and fallible”??? What the heck? Ok, how’s this again? “fallible” is choosing whether to head east or west on the freeway, unsure of which direction the exit you need is in. It’s not “Gee, which set of assinine regulations to kill business do I get behind and then wriggle out of later, when people whine at me?” That’s not “fallible”. That’s “faithless ideological idiocy”.
It’s not like we’re facing anything that’s hard to understand, or is difficult to determine which side we should be on. Or is that these people simply have no brain? I mean, I understand Democrats wanting socialism and unemployment and misery all around. That’s thier beliefs, that’s their religion, that’s what they live for. What I don’t understand is when in response to the blowout in the Gulf, you immedately find a bunch of GOP members racing to be greenie idiots. Huh? Have they freaking lost their minds???
And where, WHERE is the leadership? Where is McConnell when Senate members start wandering off to the left? With them? This isn’t a matter of “fallible”. This is utter betrayal of the nation.
When “immigration reform” shows up, you can count McDumb and Gramdumber to immediately race to the other side screaming “WE WANT AMNESTY!!!!” Instead of trying to get Democrats to possibly join, conservatives have to spend all their time, energy and money trying to keep the GOP from being “Obama-lite.”
I can vote, sure. And in my area, the vast majority votes with me. Pointlessly, to be sure, because we’re totally and permanently outvoted by the idiots 275 miles away on the other end of the state.
And you say “go campaign”? The only place that would help is to campaign or try to influence people on the other end of the state. I can’t go there. hell, I can’t even give my daughter (senior, hs) money to buy stuff to make lunch with, I’m that broke. After all, I’m a small businessman, and I came within 200 dollars of losing my entire business back in 2008, when the credit crunch came and people stopped paying their bills for months. I’ve had to live without anything resembling a paycheck for years now, to get things back to the point where we can breath again, and start repaying OUR debts.
And along come GOP membes galore, who can’t seem to find it within their soul to stand with me and in a roar of 41 or 178 unified voices shout “HELL NO!” every time the libs come around to bash my head in. Instead, a big chunk of them keep turning around and kicking me in the gut. Seriously, are they sadists, or what? How is it that this stuff is “tempting”??? So that “fallible” people fall for it? I can’t imagine. It’s my last time in this life, this is MY last chance to be anything but destitute when the rest of my very thin hair turns gray, I’ve lost it all twice before.
To have someone turn on me and say “yeah, we wannt beat you down some more with regulations, taxes, or mandates”, is not a “fallible” behavior. It’s an evil malevolence.
Pass that around to your party boys and see them frown. They don’t like being found out.
“And along come GOP membes galore, who can’t seem to find it within their soul to stand with me and in a roar of 41 or 178 unified voices shout “HELL NO!” every time the libs come around to bash my head in.”
There you go again. Actually, the GOP has done that so well, saying ‘no’ and opposing Obama’s socialism, that Obama is calling them the Party of No.
“It’s not like we’re facing anything that’s hard to understand, or is difficult to determine which side we should be on.”
There you go again. Saying its easy, having not been in the arena. IF IT WAS EASY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW.
“I mean, I understand Democrats wanting socialism and unemployment and misery all around.”
You give the enemy a pass for being 100% against you, while bashing those who are 90% FOR you for their 10% variations? That makes no sense. I DONT understand why anyone is a liberal, but I DO understand that those who are liberals are the ones pushing the worst ideas on America, by far.
Here’s the deal... politicians have to deal with many constituencies.
“What I don’t understand is when in response to the blowout in the Gulf, you immedately find a bunch of GOP members racing to be greenie idiots. Huh? ... This is utter betrayal of the nation.”
Huh, indeed, Democrats are okay but Repubs are not?
“When “immigration reform” shows up, you can count McDumb and Gramdumber ....”
- I guess you missed the memo. McCain is close to losing his primary over that issue, and Bob Bennett already did. And AZ Republicans passed a tough immigration bill... I mean, I dont want to step on your fine rant, but you are bound and determined to throw all the GOP babies out with the RINO bathwater.
It’s frankly waaaay to ‘2006’ for some of us. You would do well to get with the program and get up to speed on the reformation that has happened already and is happening in the Republican party.
“And you say “go campaign”? The only place that would help is to campaign or try to influence people on the other end of the state. I can’t go there. “
So? you can make calls. you can make a difference in primaries and local races. you can influence state-level races.
“How is it that this stuff is “tempting”??? So that “fallible” people fall for it? I can’t imagine. It’s my last time in this life, this is MY last chance to be anything but destitute when the rest of my very thin hair turns gray, I’ve lost it all twice before.”
Duh - IT’S SIMPLE - Politicians do what gets SUPPORTED... as long as conservatives like you demand the kind of perfection that nobody can live up to, they dont even bother and work on other constituencies ... meaning the moderate limp-noodle voters and/or liberals.
THAT”S why they dont respond to you, because you DONT HELP THE GOOD CONSERVATIVES WHO DO THE RIGHT THING! Well, at least other conservatives HAVE woken up and are doing the right thing.
You can lead, you can follow the lead of others (go here
Http://redstate.com for how its being done now) ... or you can get out of the way while the conservative reformers clean up the GOP and set us up for conservative victory in 2010.
In future, I’d advise you quit with the broad brush complaints and focus more on constructive criticism of specific individuals dong specific things The party is made of all of those who help make the GOP what it is, voters and officeholders. We cant all agree as we are millions strong. But most core principles are shared.
“So, is my criticism of the GOP harsh?”
The point is that it is INACCURATE.
You have said ‘the GOP did XYZ’ when in fact 90% of GOP officeholders have NOT done anything like that.
As I said, you throw out the GOP baby with the RINO bathwater.
Pretty easy replacing something that committed suicide. “
The party that just won races in NJ, VA, and Massachusetts, and had the Cohones to stand up against Obamacare unanimously ... seems alive and kicking to me.
You just invalidated everything you said. No, they have no principles, they're just pandering. Got it. That's what I've said all along, they're just aimlessly wandering, no idea what they should do. As in, THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY CORE PRINCIPLES. If they did, whiny libs would have no effect on them. Each day I face the barren wastes, with barely a buck in the bank... And it is NEVER EVEN SLIGHTLY difficult to determine whether Obamacare, Cap and Tax, Bailouts, New entitlements, etc are what I need in my future. Seriously, I am not ever the slightest bit tempted to support "tax raises". And cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone else is, either, unless they're a typical brain-dead liberal... Or just plain stupid. But you have to fight like heck to keep the GOP from defecting in large numbers to such things. Why? Have these people NO COMPREHENSION AT ALL??? And you said this: There you go again. Saying its easy, having not been in the arena. IF IT WAS EASY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW. in response to “It’s not like we’re facing anything that’s hard to understand, or is difficult to determine which side we should be on.”
Um... bucko... It really IS "that easy". All one has to do is take a 60 second look at the books... 13 trillion in debt, high unemployment, businesses still failing, extreme level of government confiscation and spending of GDP. Ok, that's all you need to know. That, in itself, paints the clearest, most unimaginably stark and brilliantly illuminated picture you could EVER paint, to explain what should and should NOT be done. And yet, we can't seem to generate enough influence to say Democrats into the right thing, because the GOP is all wobbly. The fact that Obama has referred at times to the GOP as "the party of no", means the GOP is FAR FAR FAR too wobbly and squishy. If they had a faint backbone, he'd be referring to them as the "Nuclear bomb proof, hellfire and brimstone and depleted uranium armed fortress of "Hell no, we're not and we're coming to blast you into oblivion" party, then I'd start getting interested. And I'd still be arguing for them to grow a spine. It IS just that clear. It is Just that simple. It is, just that correct and true. Again, I ask, just WHERE is McConnell? Where is Steele? Where's Boehner? Their milquetoast gibberish on TV is so pathetic it literally wants to make me hurl. Why? Because if they said anything true or meaningful, like "constitutional boundaries of government" or "the only job of the federal government is to protect the liberties of the individual" they would all get laughed out of town, since not a one of them has a record of voting that way. The OTHER guys vote the way they speak. But not the GOP. It pussyfoots around what it's supposed to stand for, doesn't vote it at all, and rarely takes even a milquetoast level of determination.
no, I'm talking about exactly what they do. Duhhh. I've already told you I don't like confrontation. It's not in my personality. But had I held Boehner's office, before the vote on Obamacare... I would have:
1. Had a unified tv/internet/blogosphere/tea party/conservative websites call for EVERY POSSIBLE American to be in DC that weekend. 2. Ordered every GOP in the house to fill every space they can inside the building with people who are protesting. But silently and not obstructing. 3. Told Pelosi "NO, or we unleash the people". And then DONE IT. I would have filled every corner, jammed wall to wall with people - protesters. And brought things to a halt. By force of mob, if need be. This nation is actually WORTH FIGHTING FOR. Instead, the GOP hid like rats and played parliamentary parlor games. Cowards, spineless fools. This nation is worth defending, even at risk of crossing a few cranky cops or making Pelosi and Obama mad. Yes, I would have risked my "career" to obstruct. Even risked jail. As I said, this nation is actually, ACTUALLY worth fighting for. But not to the GOP. It just sits around being wimps and putzes. And you have the gall to say they had "cohones" for voting "no" on obamacare. That's like saying "no" if you're asked if you want your kneecaps busted with a sledgehammer. There isn't even a question.
None of those wins happened in a vacuum. They ALL had TPE support.
“Had a unified tv/internet/blogosphere/tea party/conservative websites call for EVERY POSSIBLE American to be in DC that weekend.”
BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/16/thousands-tea-partiers-expected-rally-capitol-hill/
“Told Pelosi “NO, or we unleash the people”. And then DONE IT. “
BEEN THERE. DONE THAT.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/19/boehner-whips-opposition-democrats-drive-health-care-vote/
Boehner did everything he could to stop the bill - unified GOP opposition, put out every talking point, made a noise, and people around the country made clear the bil was unpopular - but Pelosi had 250 vote to play with... UNLESS AND UNTIL WE REMOVE HER MAJORITY, the Democrats wont listen.
“I would have filled every corner, jammed wall to wall with people - protesters.”
Well thousands were there, but ...
What people? The people who sit on their behinds and complain and whine and call themselves ex-GOP because they have adopted a victim mentality but dont do anything?
Once again, you ARE the GOP. If the GOP is not leading, not functioning right and not effective - look in the mirror.
Instead of great ideas for things YOU YOURSELF ARE UNWILLING TO DO... Ask “What can I do to make it better” and do it!
“You just invalidated everything you said. No, they have no principles, they’re just pandering. Got it”
FALSE! My point is that if you demand perfection and at the same time DONT HELP the good people who are with you 80-90% of the time, you get the pandering liberals and RINOs winning elections, who do the opposite of what you want.
All your whining, does it help get an Obamacare-supporting liberal Democrat drone from becoming another vote for tax increases? Did it defeat liberals like Sestak and Critz yesterday? NO?
“It really IS “that easy”. All one has to do is take a 60 second look at the books... 13 trillion in debt, high unemployment, businesses still failing, extreme level of government confiscation and spending of GDP”
Good. then explain it to the 60 million who voted for Obama, convince them of the wrongness of their ways in voting for this crap, and save America.
Most tea party people - like me - are in the Republican party.
When we are unified on the right, we win. When we are whiny, divisive and complaining instead of doing, we lose.
Great post. The GOP is terminal with liberal, statist Rockefeller republicans. Conservatives endured 16 years of this form of treachery under GHW Bush and GW Bush and a host of like minded congresscritters, governors and political pundits passing themselves off as conservatives. Now, the GOP is on the move again, attempting to co-opt the Tea Party movement in order to re-gain power that they once held and squandered. You can see that being exercised right here on this thread and across FR from GOP acolytes more concerned about their party and its machinations than championing and upholding conservatism as a movement.
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