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Widening Racial Chasm a Problem for Both Parties
NJ ^ | 8-10-2012 | Ronald Brownstein

Posted on 08/10/2012 4:53:17 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

Mitt Romney could run as well among whites as any Republican presidential challenger in the history of polling—and still lose. That equation carries threats for both parties.

For Republicans, that prospect crystallizes the danger of an electoral strategy that has left the party almost entirely dependent on white voters, even as their numbers decline. For Democrats, the possibility that President Obama could face landslide rejection from the white majority, even if he survives, underscores the party’s inability to hold support among whites while implementing its agenda—a trend that traces back to Lyndon B. Johnson.

Polls so far suggest that the election could divide the nation along racial lines even more starkly in 2012 than in 2008. Four years ago, Obama won a combined 80 percent among all nonwhite voters—including African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and others. Almost all surveys this year show him positioned to equal, or slightly exceed, that dominant performance.

In 2008, Obama won only 43 percent of white voters to John McCain’s 55 percent. Most surveys this year suggest Obama will struggle to match even that modest showing among whites; in recent surveys, the president typically draws about 40 percent of them ......

Yet this year, Romney could win as much as 60 percent of the white vote (or, amazingly, even slightly more) and still lose. The reason is the electorate’s changing composition. When Reagan was first elected in 1980, whites cast about 90 percent of the votes; even in Bush’s 1988 victory, whites represented 85 percent of all votes and minorities just 15 percent.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; diversity; whitevote

1 posted on 08/10/2012 4:53:20 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

The Leftists are counting on the big welfare vote and the big get-out-the-dead vote to pull Obama over the finish line. If they see they are coming up short, they can always have their large prison base mail in their ballots. What is the GOP doing to stop the theft of this election? Or will they just suck their thumbs and complain to Fox News the morning after?


2 posted on 08/10/2012 5:03:03 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

Or will they just suck their thumbs and complain to Fox News the morning after?


Another reason that GWB was a disaster. He was, perhaps, the last President who could have enforced immigration laws and put an end to this nonsense. Instead, he looked the other eay.


3 posted on 08/10/2012 5:06:17 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: txrefugee

Or will they just suck their thumbs and complain to Fox News the morning after?


Another reason that GWB was a disaster. He was, perhaps, the last President who could have enforced immigration laws and put an end to this nonsense. Instead, he looked the other way.


4 posted on 08/10/2012 5:06:31 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: txrefugee

Or will they just suck their thumbs and complain to Fox News the morning after?


Another reason that GWB was a disaster. He was, perhaps, the last President who could have enforced immigration laws and put an end to this nonsense. Instead, he looked the other way.


5 posted on 08/10/2012 5:06:42 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Sir Napsalot
Obama is the biological/ideological issue of 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radicals. Those aged radicals (psycho spoiled brats actually) and their bratty ideological issue have worked for decades to get to where they own an administration and many aspects of our society.

Race, smace.. many know what the real issue is. These are not our parents and grandparents issues. The issues go back long before that. Again I let Abraham Lincoln's words tell it the way I see. IMO he knows.

If we could first know where we are and whither we are tending, we could better judge what to do and how to do it. We are now far into the fifth [decade] since a policy was initiated with the avowed object and confident promise of [tolerating Marxist-Alinsky] agitation. Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only not ceased but has constantly augmented [to where there are arguably two Americas]. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half [statist] and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other. Either the opponents of [statism] will arrest the further spread of it and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction, or its advocates will push it forward till it shall become [accepted] in all the states, [Red and Blue], North as well as South.

6 posted on 08/10/2012 5:10:55 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: txrefugee
Yes...and Obama has another card to play...if he's going down look for war in the Middle East...long about the first of October.

Remember how he wagged the dog when Trump's birth certificate charges were beginning to gain traction??? It cost Bin Laden his life...but in the celebration of the successful raid...the birth certificate was released, all nine photo-shopped layers of it...and the controversy went away.

Look for an October surprise.

7 posted on 08/10/2012 5:14:54 AM PDT by kjo (+)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Anybody paying the slightest attention could see the changing demographics. And this explains GOPers’ increasing pandering to minority race/ethnicity.

However, that is not the solution. We don't seem to able to clearly lay out the American vision (equal opportunity under the Constitution Republic) vs. progressives' guaranteed equal outcome socialism.

Try as we might, US probably needs to go bust in order for every one to ‘learn’ the harsh reality.

8 posted on 08/10/2012 5:37:06 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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Try as we might, US probably needs to go bust in order for every one to ‘learn’ the harsh reality.

As much as I dislike this pessimistic view I believe it's accurate since so many Americans believe that government has inherent wealth and that the makers provide for the takers. No makers, nothing for the takers.
9 posted on 08/10/2012 5:47:08 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

The numbers of the Ignorati increase every year, while the informed numbers decrease. While the Ignorati are not the same as the parasites/takers, most parasites are also Ignorati. The Ignorati will always be dependent on the government or favor big government policies.


10 posted on 08/10/2012 6:24:21 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Sir Napsalot

This is less about race than it is about class: the middle-class (bourgeoisie) versus a (wholly manufactured) permanent underclass (proletariat). The Left draws its strength from the legions of people it intentionally disenfranchises and forces into dependency. The Right appeals to the producers who not only participate in and benefit from the system, but actually construct, maintain, and cherish it.

Which is why the Democrats are far from champions of the middle- or working-classes. They are advocates only of the dependents, who by definition do not work or produce at all.
Sadly, a great many members of certain minorities fall in the latter category. And it is to the Left’s advantage to ensure they never escape.


11 posted on 08/10/2012 6:27:36 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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This is the problem you end up with when you abandon principles and listen instead to the marketers and try to sell fluff and fad for political expediency.

We are tired of it. We see the double standards and cronyism. We live with the consequences of the progressives of both parties and their discriminating affirmative actions applied to skin color, crime and racial violence, immigration, our school systems, Church and state, what we can and can't say and on and on.

We are fed up and simply don't trust any more.

Why are gun sales and CC permits skyrocketing? Why does the prepper movement have such momentum? Why is the msm losing their audience while the blogger/citizen reporter audience is growing by leaps and bounds? Why did the home school and charter school movement grow so strongly?

Because we know better than the so-called professional experts and we know we have to do it ourselves. This is our world in 2012.

From this perspective, what does Mitt and the GOPe have to offer other than more of the same or worse?

We are scared spitless of obama, but only slightly less scared of the GOPe and what they do.

12 posted on 08/10/2012 6:27:46 AM PDT by GBA
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Culture matters. A majority of whites from Christian cultures are better able to assimilate and understand what American stands for. On the other hand, a majority of people from Third World and even some successful developing world cultures cannot successfully assimilate and understand what makes America a success (There are exceptions, like Cubans).

A mass of new immigrants and their descendants who cannot culturally become Americans is, of course, what the leftists hoped for when Ted Kennedy engineered a change in immigration policy. Further, it isn’t just that we are bringing in hordes of people who are less likely to be assimilated, we’re bringing in basically hordes of peasants, people with below average intelligence who are more likely to want to be a burden on society.

Even if they succeed, they are people who will have limited success. How many gardeners do we need? How many baby sitters? Many of these jobs could be done by teenagers. Or natives who are underemployed or unemployed and who don’t go on welfare, but who can’t compete with illegals on welfare whose overall compensation is higher than the natives could earn if they only worked and didn’t illegally obtain welfare benefits.

It is, in a phrase, national suicide. That’s what leftists do. They destroy everything they touch. We need to call them out of it.

We have to rein in the welfare state, tighten immigration laws. NO IMMIGRANTS FROM MUSLIM COUNTRIES FOR STARTER. Then, focus again on immigrants form nations with a track record for being able to send people we actually need for our economy who can assimilate and culturally become Americans.


13 posted on 08/10/2012 6:37:11 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Sir Napsalot

The potential only exists if you consider race as the only factor. Why did Bob Dole lose to Clinton and John McCain lose to Obama?

Race was not at issue in the slightest in the former case. It was because Bob Dole was a rigid, stiff, crappy campaigner nominated solely because it was “his turn”; and Clinton was a consummate, friendly con-artist, amoral and psychopathic, interested only in “his ownself”, as they say in the South, indifferent to anyone else. Willing to give the Republicans in congress what they were going to get anyway.

In the latter case, McCain’s inherent meanness came out, and he looked like underneath his mask-like face he was a lizard creature in appearance and temperament. Again pushed down the throat of conservatives by the high lord RINOs of the party.

Only on top of that did race really matter. Blacks voted almost universally for Obama, out of pure racism. But except for those hardcore leftists, Hispanics and Asians voted for Obama mostly because they didn’t want to vote for a lizard-man either.

But to their credit, Hispanics and Asians are not monolithic politically, and tend to vote their interests, when they can. Obama is a disaster for everybody, so all the racial hoo-ha matters a lot less.

The Democrats are desperate that this election should be “Everyone pile on the white guy”. But I just don’t see that happening.


14 posted on 08/10/2012 7:57:10 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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“Widening Racial Chasm a Problem for Both Parties”

Considering the “progress” of “race relations” since the 1960’s, how could this not be expected?

The “racial chasm” is real, and it exists because for five decades the dialogue on race in the nation has been “one-sided”, and the public policies that were constructed as a result of that dialogue have been pointedly one-sided, as well.

Until that changes, I don’t expect the chasm to be bridged. If, in fact, the gap -can- be “bridged” at all.

We all-too-often embrace noble intentions and platitudes when in fact we should be looking more at the cold truths of reality.

There are some problems that don’t have solutions. Or at least, pleasant ones...


15 posted on 08/10/2012 9:21:08 AM PDT by Road Glide
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