Obama vs Romney Polls: Obama Tanks Among Women and Independents

...I think it would be even better run in rotation with this one from American Crossroads

You are probably right, but I wish we did not have to use this sort of victim-group pandering to combat the left's victim-group pandering. Obama is at war with capitalism, not women. If that war has produced more female than male "casualties," I doubt it was intentional.

Pro-choice but not pro-abortion, that is the second time today that I have heard a liberal try to make a distinction, one that I admit completely escapes me.

I agree. It is a coward's reply. Like you said, either it is a human life or it is not. Either abortion kills a human life or it doesn't. The whole reason, I believe, that there is so much equivocation by some can be blamed on the Supreme Court, who would not take a stand on the "person hood" question in the Roe v. Wade ruling. They used the "we don't really know for sure when life begins" argument and it was BS then and is even more so now. We DO know when human life begins and abortion kills that life.

It is a cop-out, to coin an old fogey phrase, to hide behind a "personal" opposition to abortion but a belief in a woman's right to choose abortion. It is not much different that saying, "I personally am against slavery, but I can't tell you you can't have slaves." Or, "I don't believe in killing my unborn baby, but I won't stop you from killing yours." Either it is morally wrong or it is not. For those who say, "You can't legislate morality.", I say, "Wrong! ALL laws legislate what is right and wrong." Morality comes in when a person must decide whether or not to obey the laws. Certainly, in our day and age what is considered moral anymore has drastically changed - but taking innocent human life has ALWAYS been against the laws of God. We cannot allow the depraved element of our society to determine by their own morays what should be right or wrong. We are not so far gone... yet.

There is trouble for Bambi among the Mexican American population in Tucson. It may not be enough to make him lose among that demographic, but I consider it a big shift from four years ago. My son was telling me that he has a lot of friends who are anti Obama. One girl in one of my son’s classes said Obama is the devil. She said this to a teacher. This school is about 80%+ Mexican American. The teachers are mostly liberal. Duh!

The "Libertarian" perspective surely must admit that the role of government - the CENTRAL role of government - is to protect the unalienable rights of its citizens, yes? If there is a "right to life" that supersedes all other rights, and it most certainly has to considering no rights would be of any worth to one who is not alive, then governments must protect this right - of innocents most of all - above all others.

The words you used could support the libertarian case [Note: I am not a libertarian, just trying to articulate their perspective]. Government exists to protect inalienable rights of the citizens, and to do little else. The unborn are not citizens; pro-life Americans recognize their humanity, but no one considers them citizens. Citizenship is conferred at birth. Therefore, regardless of morality (remember, libertarians as the term is used in the United States generally also believe that moral issues such as adultery, prostitution, and drugs are outside the scope of government power), protecting the unborn is a personal moral choice rather than a government responsibility.

I'm not being argumentative just to argue. It is important to understand how rational people who disagree with pro-life values actually think. There is no point in trying to understand how the far left thinks - because they don't think.

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