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They Wonder Why We Call Them Racist: Republican Gov Opines on Obama’s Birth Certificate (Hurlicious)
Politicususa ^ | April 13, 2013 | Sarah Jones

Posted on 04/14/2013 5:25:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Republicans spend a lot of energy explaining that they are not racists, and if you dare call them a racist based on their racist policies/comments, then they will gleefully accuse you “playing the race card” as if that exempts them from what they are doing. Here to exemplify this right wing cognitive dissonance in action is Georgia’s Republican Governor Nathan Deal, who yesterday made headlines by refusing to condemn “whites only” proms.

Here’s a compilation of Nathan Deal quotes:

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

Ghetto grandmothers: Speaking before the Cherokee County GOP, then congressman and candidate for governor Nathan Deal was fear-mongering about the need for a birth certificate before getting benefits, ”We got all the complaints of the ghetto grandmothers who didn’t have birth certificates and all that. We wrote some very liberal language as to how you can verify it. My mother was born in 1906 and she didn’t have a birth certificate. They didn’t give birth certificates back then. But we got her one, because you can do it under the proper procedures of your state.”

His wife can tell by looking at her students which ones are going to prison and which ones are going to college, “My wife tells me she could look at her sixth grade class and tell ya‘ which ones are going to prison and which ones are going to college.” (Maybe you need to have spent some time in the South to get that one, but I have and I do. It’s white person code for the slaves are acting up again.)

Deal’s obsession with President Barack Obama’s birth certificate heightened as he ran for office (translation, he used it to get the southern white vote, aka the birthers, aka in 2009, the Tea Party). AJC reported on this embarrassing switcheroo...

(Excerpt) Read more at politicususa.com ...


TOPICS: Georgia; Issues; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; georgia; naturalborncitizen; obama

1 posted on 04/14/2013 5:25:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any opposition or questioning of The One is racist.


2 posted on 04/14/2013 5:26:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The founding fathers didn't form this country by compromising.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Got it.
If anyone else has a shady, hidden life background, and may be the greatest political fraud in history, and we question it, that's OK.

If it's Obama, from Chicago, and we question, it's racist.

Got it.

3 posted on 04/14/2013 5:28:23 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

0bama has not yet produced a real birth certificate. He produced two photoshopped documents, but he still has not produced the genuine article.


4 posted on 04/14/2013 5:28:59 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive; 2ndDivisionVet; LucyT

Already in 2007 I said you would be called racist or using the Race Card, yet this possum is more white than African-American!!!


5 posted on 04/14/2013 5:39:00 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: FatherofFive
"0bama has not yet produced a real birth certificate. He produced two photoshopped documents, but he still has not produced the genuine article."

Obama didn't produce a legal birth certificate and it doesn't matter. Obama told us he is a naturalized citizen: “I am a native-born citizen of the US”, the legal terminology used in the 14th Amendment, a naturalization amendment which never mentions natural born citizenship, except when its author, Congressman John Bingham, reiterated the “Born to citizen parents on our soil” definition. Obama knew the fix was in, and that the media and Republicans would never raise the issue. Except for Nathan Deal, for whom the media guns will forever be out, no congressperson has dared say a word, because they are complicit in the cover-up. Only a natural born citizen may be president. Obama was born a citizen of the British Commonwealth, again, by his own admission.

6 posted on 04/14/2013 5:41:27 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Articles like this explain why I no longer associate with black people. No matter what you have done for them or how well you have respected them, they will pounce in something you say. Dissect it. Parse it word by word, Syllable by syllable to find something 'racist', then blast you with it. I actually feel sorry for Ms Jones, she must have a very unhappy life.
7 posted on 04/14/2013 5:43:22 PM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL: Trotting out this tired old shyt again and again.

It’s the same old tripe coming from a new and different a-hole.

Personally I don’t mind being called racist,by racists themselves.

Tell me why it is wrong for white people to have a party without inviting blacks.Why is it right for some dipstick with the power of the media to call me wrong when she voted for because he was black.


8 posted on 04/14/2013 5:44:14 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Tupelo

Believe it or not, she’s white: http://www.politicususa.com/author/the-21st-century-dorothy-parker-2-2-2-2


9 posted on 04/14/2013 5:53:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are a lot of brain damaged whites in journo-lism.


10 posted on 04/14/2013 6:08:38 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Even if it’s about his white half?


11 posted on 04/14/2013 6:10:11 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ironically Nathan Deal was a democrat his entire life until 1995.

A little factoid missed by this columnist.

12 posted on 04/14/2013 6:10:50 PM PDT by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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13 posted on 04/14/2013 6:30:31 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Governor Deal did not attempt to intervene when Georgia’s Republican Secretary of State, Brian Kemp, approved Obama for the 2012 Georgia ballot on the recommendation of Administrative Law Judge Michael Mahili. Judge Mahili wrote in his Opinion in the Georgia eligibility challenge to Obama:
“For the purposes of this analysis, the Court considered that Barack Obama was born in the United States. Therefore, as discussed in Ankeny, he became a citizen at birth and is a natural born citizen. Accordingly, President Barack Obama is eligible as a candidate for the presidential primary under O.C.G.A. under Section 21-2-5(b).” February 3, 2012
Swensson, Powell, Farrar and Welden, et. al. v. Obama


14 posted on 04/14/2013 6:43:11 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...who yesterday made headlines by refusing to condemn “whites only” proms.

Well if that makes him racist, then so are all liberals for not condemning "black only" proms, Miss "Black" America, the Black Congressional Caucus, etc., and for making it a headline when a white doesn't condemn a white-only thing, but no headline when no one condemns a black-only thing.

15 posted on 04/14/2013 6:54:53 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only mention of race seems to come from the lefty complaining.


16 posted on 04/14/2013 7:07:37 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even after all this time, they still don’t understand the most elementary facts of Certifigate. They don’t understand why it was important for Obama to provide the best available evidence of his birthplace, and to do so long before he was elected. They don’t know that Obama failed to do that, and they don’t care. They prefer lies to truth, and prefer ignorance to understanding.


17 posted on 04/14/2013 7:27:52 PM PDT by TChad (Call them Oppressives, not Progressives.)
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To: Nero Germanicus
Therefore, as discussed in Ankeny, he became a citizen at birth and is a natural born citizen.

Ankeny is one of the dumbest court rulings you will ever find. Beyond that, what kind of idiot cites another state's rulings when he is in a different state?

God! This nation is full of IDIOTS!

18 posted on 04/14/2013 7:27:58 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This woman is a racist. She’s calling a half white man all black which is the old slave south standard.


19 posted on 04/14/2013 7:29:14 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: TChad
Even after all this time, they still don’t understand the most elementary facts of Certifigate. They don’t understand why it was important for Obama to provide the best available evidence of his birthplace, and to do so long before he was elected. They don’t know that Obama failed to do that, and they don’t care. They prefer lies to truth, and prefer ignorance to understanding.

The bulk of the country has become irrational. Much of the blame for this is our prosperity, but the propaganda spread by the media makes things much worse.

20 posted on 04/14/2013 7:29:50 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Nero Germanicus
I believe this was to garner fed money for the dredging of the Savannah Port-—leave Bath-House alone, and we'll get fed $$$.

Bath-House didn't even show UP for the Malihi court.

21 posted on 04/14/2013 8:28:10 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Nero Germanicus

Good point. So much for the canard that Deal is obsessed with Obama’s alleged birth certificates. Even after the Secretary of State advised Obama to present some kind of evidence, they decided they didn’t need any and that they could rely on a decision that also never saw a birth certificate and one that never declared Obama to be Constitutionally eligible. Sounds like Deal is an Obama supporter.


22 posted on 04/14/2013 8:39:10 PM PDT by edge919
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How is wondering where he was born racist?


23 posted on 04/14/2013 8:41:05 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Believe it or not, she’s white:”

No Schitt? Now there is a self hating white woman.
She is a woman, ain't she?

24 posted on 04/14/2013 8:46:45 PM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: FatherofFive

i say force him to officially submit it somewhere.

then it’ll get real interesting


25 posted on 04/14/2013 8:57:03 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only for more years of all this racist crap, then we can start in with the sexist stuff. Not voting for Hillary? You must be sexist!


26 posted on 04/14/2013 9:02:33 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: edge919

According to Orly Taitz, Michael Jablonski, Obama’s no-show attorney did submit a copy of Obama’s birth certificate with his Georgia brief and he also provided a copy to Secretary of State Kemp.

Arizona Secretary of State Bennett and US District Court Judge Wingate in Mississippi’s ballot challenge/ RICO action also received copies.
Orly Taitz believed that the Jablonski submission gave her the right to inspect the original, vault copy.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/green-light-to-see-obamas-hawaii-files/


27 posted on 04/14/2013 10:51:30 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp

Courts cite rulings from other states all the time.


28 posted on 04/14/2013 10:59:22 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
Courts cite rulings from other states all the time.

No doubt all states have exactly the same statutes, else it would be colossally stupid. Might as well cite foreign cases.

I dare say one of the ongoing problems with the entire court system is that they cite other cases rather than deriving their own opinion from first principles. Citing other cases is just a variation on a "tu quoque" fallacy.

It is a very stupid way to administer law. One mistake, and the whole collection of them fly right into the ground.

29 posted on 04/15/2013 6:25:08 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How did I know.

The most RACIST RACE, blacks, accuses everyone of racism AGAIN.

30 posted on 04/15/2013 6:40:08 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not according to the pictures of her that I found.


31 posted on 04/15/2013 6:41:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.

One party overwhelmingly supports this continued genocide.
The other party wonders why they are the ones called racist.


32 posted on 04/15/2013 6:49:01 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I’m betting that the opposite of reliance on the ancient Roman legal system principle of “stare decisis” and basing rulings on precedent is NOT what you are advocating: that the Constitution is a “living document” to be individually interpreted by (for example) each of the 179 liberal federal judges that have been appointed by Obama since 2009.
The reason that the Ankeny ruling shows up in so many subsequent rulings is simply that the attorneys representing the “Obama is eligible” position have done a better job of stating their case in their briefs than the “Obama is ineligible” attorneys have done.


33 posted on 04/15/2013 9:54:17 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
I’m betting that the opposite of reliance on the ancient Roman legal system principle of “stare decisis” and basing rulings on precedent is NOT what you are advocating: that the Constitution is a “living document” to be individually interpreted by (for example) each of the 179 liberal federal judges that have been appointed by Obama since 2009.

I am at a loss to comprehend how you can misunderstand my position on this. What I am suggesting is a concept called "first principles" which is the standard methodology in the Science/Engineering World. The notion that you would simply rely on the opinion of some other authority to come to a decision is nonsensical in the Science world, and it ought to be nonsensical in the Legal world as well.

If the opinion cited is based on a mistaken understanding, then all opinions based on the cited opinion are likewise wrong.

The reason that the Ankeny ruling shows up in so many subsequent rulings is simply that the attorneys representing the “Obama is eligible” position have done a better job of stating their case in their briefs than the “Obama is ineligible” attorneys have done.

You may regard that as the correct way of looking at it, but from my perspective, the entire legal system is biased in favor of a simplistic understanding of the law because it is relying on mistaken understanding from previous courts.

The courts will simply not entertain any notion contrary to their pre-existing bias. I even suggested this might be a problem for anyone seeking to challenge this. It's like Roe v Wade. Bad Precedent will create automatically bad subsequent rulings.

34 posted on 04/15/2013 1:24:56 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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Ah, if only those trained in science and technology were the triers of fact in our judicial system, but unfortunately, we are left with lawyers.


35 posted on 04/15/2013 2:32:34 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
Ah, if only those trained in science and technology were the triers of fact in our judicial system, but unfortunately, we are left with lawyers.

More's the pity, that.

36 posted on 04/15/2013 6:47:40 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Nero Germanicus
According to Orly Taitz, Michael Jablonski, Obama’s no-show attorney did submit a copy of Obama’s birth certificate with his Georgia brief and he also provided a copy to Secretary of State Kemp.

Then let's see it.

Arizona Secretary of State Bennett and US District Court Judge Wingate in Mississippi’s ballot challenge/ RICO action also received copies.

Yes, those were photocopies or printouts of the website. They weren't either of the two alleged, CERTIFIED, hard copies Obama obtained from Hawaii.

Orly Taitz believed that the Jablonski submission gave her the right to inspect the original, vault copy.

Probably because the standard rules of evidences says that such documents have to provided to the opposing party prior to a trial, otherwise any such document is legally considered to be hearsay. A printout from a website is not legally sufficient.

37 posted on 04/16/2013 8:08:58 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

“Let’s see it?” Haven’t you noticed that judges don’t often publish exhibits from the obriefs that they receive?

The courts are interested in the data on a birth certificate in a civil action dealing with eligibility not the version of the certificate. Since Hawaii has issued Letters of Verification for the data, a criminal action for forgery or document fraud/tampering would be needed to impeach the validity of the version of the birth certificate that is being proferred. To date, there has been no such criminal action.

Because Orly Taitz or one of the other plaintiff’s attorneys had also submitted a copy of the whitehouse.gov version of Obama’s birth certificate for Judge Mahili, there was no need to have the pliaintifs review the defense Verizon of the exact same document.


38 posted on 04/16/2013 9:25:02 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
“Let’s see it?” Haven’t you noticed that judges don’t often publish exhibits from the obriefs that they receive?

I've seen plenty of briefs get published. It's how I know the Mississippi lawsuit only has a photocopy/printout of the PDF.

The courts are interested in the data on a birth certificate in a civil action dealing with eligibility not the version of the certificate.

That's not true. Under the rules of evidence, a birth certificate would be self-authenticating because the caretaker certifies that the document is correct under the law. It's not about data.

Since Hawaii has issued Letters of Verification for the data, a criminal action for forgery or document fraud/tampering would be needed to impeach the validity of the version of the birth certificate that is being proferred.

According to what??

Because Orly Taitz or one of the other plaintiff’s attorneys had also submitted a copy of the whitehouse.gov version of Obama’s birth certificate for Judge Mahili, there was no need to have the pliaintifs review the defense Verizon of the exact same document.

Orly was challenging the validity of the document. Again, it only counts as hearsay if a certified copy is not presented in court. Read the rules of evidence.

39 posted on 04/16/2013 10:46:54 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

“I’ve seen plenty of briefs get published. It’s how I know the Mississippi lawsuit only has a photocopy/printout of the PDF.”


Actually the whitehouse.gov copy of the Obama birth certificate and the Letter of Verification for Judge Wingate was submitted in a defense motion and not in a brief. It was “Motion to supplement counsel for Mississippi Democratic Party Executive Committee’s Response [ECF no. 30] in opposition to plaintiff Taitz’s motion for sanctions [ECF No. 25]”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/96289285/Mississippi-Democratic-Party-Motion-v-Taitz

“That’s not true. Under the rules of evidence, a birth certificate would be self-authenticating because the caretaker certifies that the document is correct under the law. It’s not about data.”

It’s not about that data? Aren’t lawsuits filed because plaintiffs don’t believe that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii? Aren’t other lawsuits filed because plaintiffs believe that his father’s birth in “Kenya, East Africa” which is documented data on Obama’s birth certificate renders him ineligible to be a natural born citizen? Yeah, it’s definitely about the data.

“That’s not true. Under the rules of evidence, a birth certificate would be self-authenticating because the caretaker certifies that the document is correct under the law. It’s not about data.”

Birth certificates were introduced in Georgia and in Mississippi. The judge in Georgia used the birth certificate to rule Obama a natural born citizen.
In Mississippi, the judge has not ruled yet. I’ve read Federal Rule of Evidence 902 on Self-Authenticating Documents and Rule 1005 on “Copies on Copies of Public Records to Prove Content.”


40 posted on 04/17/2013 12:17:21 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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