Posted on 09/15/2013 4:50:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
During the pre-Palin days of the Tea Party Movement, the idea of a conservative third party was often discussed. Since the Tampa Purge of 2012, many have revisited this idea, most recently Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation.
A third party dedicated only to freedom and limited government has been attempted several times, and we do have the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party, though like the Green Party, they have been restricted to local politics, and often lack ballot access.
This period of American history is marked by a large, oppressive, and violent federal government. We have many factions within the Republican Party that are fighting each other to gain more control over the others.
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The Republican Primary of 2012, possibly the most bizarre primary election in the history of the United States, featured deliberately ignored districts, intimidation and blackmail of delegates, physical assault against delegates, "secret caucuses", fraudulently detoured transportation, obvious plants in presidential campaigns, strangely dismissed court cases, and much more horrible things we will probably never know. In addition, our elected delegates in future primaries and caucuses can now be replaced, at any time, by the Republican National Committee.
As a result, many are again questioning whether we are better off in a third party than fighting at all. Neocons want nothing to do with anyone who won't obey them to the grave, and this includes all free-market libertarians, religious conservatives, and all similar groups that find common ground in the Tea Party Movement.
Starting a Third Tea Party is a very bad idea, and will cause freedom to dissipate and die into a medieval America built on endless wars, dumbed-down schools, illegal immigration, and socialist national health care.
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However, it does not have to be a bad idea. Many state and county divisions of the Republican Party are increasingly frustrated in their fight against the neocons. By having their own "secret meetings", it would be very easy for entire state parties to "secede" from the national Republican Party and form a Third Tea Party.
With entire states and counties gone, the Republican Party loses its presence. Neocons then have to spend the money not on weapons and wars, but on rebuilding the Republican Party - money, manpower, lobbying, propaganda, and more. For their presence has just vanished from a state with only two parties on the ballot: the Democratic Party and the Third Tea Party. If the Republican Party is not successfully re-created in that state, there will be no possible Republican vote from that state in any national election.
Unlike, say, a state Libertarian Party struggling to stay on the ballot, the Third Tea Party will already be on the ballot, and have most or all of the funding, politicians, lobbyists, votes, and resources the state Republican Party used to have.
A Third Tea Party would have no room for the neocons who attempted to destroy it. The only financially viable option for the neocons would be to bail and join the party of Big Government, that is, the Democratic Party. From then on, there would be a new two party system - the Tea Party, which would support freedom, and the Democratic Party, which does not.
It is dangerous for the Tea Party to attempt to start a new party. It would be divisive, devastating, and throw America to the wolves. It is possible, however, for liberty-minded states and their Republican Parties to "secede" from the national party. Either way, all those involved in politics must remember that America is not built on the Republican or Democratic Parties, but on the Constitution.
Unfortunately because the gutless GOPe has refused to stand up to soetoro and seal the border millions of illegal invaders have entered the US.
Even if amnesty doesn't pass their American born children will be voting within 20 yrs and we know how they'll vote.
All part of the plan.
Get real.
Tea party is beyond party labels-—Vote for real conservatives in the GOP if they have none—find or support an existing 3rd Party leader who is Conservative (or run yourself on a 3rd Party Ticket) A new 3rd Party is an answer for local elections and here a Tea Party/ Liberty Party can be a success (for now)
or if their is no one—Vote for a Libertarian Conservative or even a Blue Dog Conservative would be better than a GOP RINO.
Sorry FRiend, didn’t mean to be short with you but some people think that the stupid lush is on our side.
Heh, maybe he thinks that the RINO Republicans have a lock on the elections? Maybe he thinks that the Republican base has a lock on elections? Don’t know for sure what he is thinking but of course it is likely wrong on all counts.
Lurkina - would you please explain? There must be more to your thinking that has been extrapolated here.
I can't give up hope that an answer will be found, even if I don't know what it is ... my best scenario would be if the TEA party continues along the path it's on now, pushing the GOPe to be more conservative and running opposing candidates in the primaries if they don't. We've had some victories on the local level, we just need to get more clout nationally. When they see new faces in the chairs they thought were safe, eventually (I hope) the GOP will mend its ways...
I say this but if they run one more east-coast RINO I'll give up on 'em...
No problem here...heh. I just assumed that you mis-understood my post... Probably should try to give more clarity though so your comment was taken as such.
My thinking is last election he was on a very limited number of ballots with no possible way of winning and ran anyway. He is now trying to increase his numbers maybe even achieving one half of one percent of the vote. I’m certainly not blaming him for McCains loss but if it had been like 2000 it could have made a difference.
Yes, you sound like me - hoping for all the RINO’s to be purged from office! I too have the same hopes but looking at it realistically, well only hoping.
Not really giving up but trying to look at it more realistically and working for local changes working up to national changes. Of course that takes time and it just may take too much time but without the trying it will not happen for sure.
There are many of us on the local level that recognize the danger that we are heading into and trying to change it so it is not as lonely a task as you might think. The problem as I see it is that those expected to bring us out of this might be tempted by the riches available once elected.
It does seem to be an insurmountable task when you look at it that way. Just hope there are enough honest folks to run that can overcome that. Those type of folks are becoming harder and harder to find much less elect.
Those are hired staffers. I'm suggesting that people get themselves elected to Party offices. Then they can hire the staffers they want.
Those are what are known as “minders.”
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
Doesn't matter much when in the end the money and the media rule, and they don't even bother to count your votes.
Lots of folks worked all the way through the process last year, went to Tampa, and saw the votes decided for them before they were ever taken.
My view is that as long as the markets continue to swallow the endless deluge of Baraqqi/Bernanke minibucks, which are used to fund massive vote buying entitlements, there's no chance that Dems will lose a national election.
After the inevitable implosion, anything can happen.
Mark Levin: The Liberty Amendments
From the website:
For a century, the Statists have steadfastly constructed a federal Leviathan, distorting and evading our constitutional system in pursuit of an all-powerful, ubiquitous central government. The result is an ongoing and growing assault on individual liberty, state sovereignty, and the social compact. Levin argues that if we cherish our American heritage, it is time to embrace a constitutional revival.
The delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia and the delegates to each state's ratification convention foresaw a time when—despite their best efforts to forestall it—the Federal government might breach the Constitution's limits and become oppressive. Agencies such as the IRS and EPA and programs such as Obamacare demonstrate that the Framers' fear was prescient.
Levin argues that the Framers provided a method in the Constitution for addressing our current circumstances - which, he insists, must be resuscitated - and lays forth specific prescriptions for restoring the American republic. The answers, Levin insists, are not found in Congress, the Supreme Court, or the presidency.
This is a historic and compelling book, like few before it. Levin turns to the Constitution to save the Constitution and the nation's future. Levin declares that we, the people, have the power to reestablish constitutional republicanism, protect individual and state sovereignty, and reverse the centralization and concentration of power in the hands of governing masterminds and a massive bureaucracy. Levin explains that our demise is not inevitable if we rally to reclaim our heritage and follow the Framers' guidance
There is a new organization forming called Citizens for Self Governance to organize the push for this convention, which is entirely run by the STATES, completely independent of the federal government. The founders put this back door method of regaining control of our government for exactly a time like this. It is an “escape hatch” that they expected might need to be used someday in the future.
What Sorts of Amendments Could be Passed ? (from Convention of the States Website)
The following are examples of amendment topics that could be discussed at a convention of states:
• A balanced budget amendment
• A redefinition of the General Welfare Clause (the original view was the federal government could not spend money on any topic within the jurisdiction of the states)
• A redefinition of the Commerce Clause (the original view was that Congress was granted a narrow and exclusive power to regulate shipments across state lines--not all the economic activity of the nation)
• A prohibition of using international treaties and law to govern the domestic law of the United States
• A limitation on using Executive Orders and federal regulations to enact laws (since Congress is supposed to be the exclusive agency to enact laws)
• Imposing term limits on Congress and the Supreme Court
• Placing an upper limit on federal taxation • Requiring the sunset of all existing federal taxes and a super-majority vote to replace them with new, fairer taxes
- See more at: http://conventionofstates.com
Some other amendments that Levin proposes:
An amendment to allow a provision for Congress to override Supreme Court rulings
An amendment to allow a provision for the STATES to override Supreme Court rulings by a super majority of states (that could not be overridden by the President or Congress)
I ask you all to consider this along with other various ideas of electing TEA party candidates, 3rd party possibilities, nullification of laws by states, etc.
Mark Levin: The Liberty Amendments
From the website:
For a century, the Statists have steadfastly constructed a federal Leviathan, distorting and evading our constitutional system in pursuit of an all-powerful, ubiquitous central government. The result is an ongoing and growing assault on individual liberty, state sovereignty, and the social compact. Levin argues that if we cherish our American heritage, it is time to embrace a constitutional revival.
The delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia and the delegates to each state's ratification convention foresaw a time when—despite their best efforts to forestall it—the Federal government might breach the Constitution's limits and become oppressive. Agencies such as the IRS and EPA and programs such as Obamacare demonstrate that the Framers' fear was prescient.
Levin argues that the Framers provided a method in the Constitution for addressing our current circumstances - which, he insists, must be resuscitated - and lays forth specific prescriptions for restoring the American republic. The answers, Levin insists, are not found in Congress, the Supreme Court, or the presidency.
This is a historic and compelling book, like few before it. Levin turns to the Constitution to save the Constitution and the nation's future. Levin declares that we, the people, have the power to reestablish constitutional republicanism, protect individual and state sovereignty, and reverse the centralization and concentration of power in the hands of governing masterminds and a massive bureaucracy. Levin explains that our demise is not inevitable if we rally to reclaim our heritage and follow the Framers' guidance
There is a new organization forming called Citizens for Self Governance to organize the push for this convention, which is entirely run by the STATES, completely independent of the federal government. The founders put this back door method of regaining control of our government for exactly a time like this. It is an “escape hatch” that they expected might need to be used someday in the future.
What Sorts of Amendments Could be Passed ? (from Convention of the States Website)
The following are examples of amendment topics that could be discussed at a convention of states:
• A balanced budget amendment
• A redefinition of the General Welfare Clause (the original view was the federal government could not spend money on any topic within the jurisdiction of the states)
• A redefinition of the Commerce Clause (the original view was that Congress was granted a narrow and exclusive power to regulate shipments across state lines--not all the economic activity of the nation)
• A prohibition of using international treaties and law to govern the domestic law of the United States
• A limitation on using Executive Orders and federal regulations to enact laws (since Congress is supposed to be the exclusive agency to enact laws)
• Imposing term limits on Congress and the Supreme Court
• Placing an upper limit on federal taxation • Requiring the sunset of all existing federal taxes and a super-majority vote to replace them with new, fairer taxes
- See more at: http://conventionofstates.com
Some other amendments that Levin proposes:
An amendment to allow a provision for Congress to override Supreme Court rulings
An amendment to allow a provision for the STATES to override Supreme Court rulings by a super majority of states (that could not be overridden by the President or Congress)
I ask you all to consider this along with other various ideas of electing TEA party candidates, 3rd party possibilities, nullification of laws by states, etc.
The media has everyone believing that every problem is the Republicans’ fault. the media has them all believing that Obama is trying to help Americans but it’s the evil Republicans who block every good thing Obama is trying to do. this is all medial lies of course but I’ve talked to people and they buy the media lies. the media also has everyone thinking that Republicans are statists, racists,woman hating, evil white men who only love the rich and corporations.
The media forget to mention that Obama ordered his IRS to rig the election for Obama and democrats in Congress. Obama’s EPA is implementing global warming crap and Obama is doing other unconstitutional executive orders.
The enemy of the American people is the democrat party. The democrat party controls
1. the news media
1. the news media
2. hollwywood
3. the presidency
4. The senate
5. the gov bureaucracies
5. the unions
7. the universities
8. the schools
9. soros , Lewis,zuckerberg, msny other billionaires are democrats.
10. Obama the main tyrant is a democrat
11. silicon valley, Google etc. are democrats
12. Pelosi, REid, fienstein, Shumer, Durbin , Lois lerner r democrats
13 . the rest of the media
14. IRS , EPA, DHS, HHS, TSA, FBI, etc.
15. liberals control the supreme Court( they approved Obamacare)
15 . Democrats control all the political money .Soros, tides foundation,gov grants,Zuckerberg,Lewis (another billionaire. moveon.org,unions etc.
16. lawyers, courts , NEA, teachers unions, nurse unions, AARP etc
Democrat party controls all this and more but the media and many others say that everything is the Republicans fault even though r’s have only a few votes majority in the House and that’s it
Democrats want to makes slaves of all Americans, turn us into cattle with less rights than a cow or farm chicken for them to manipulate.
Another party won’t solve a thing.
Power is consolidated in Washington, DC. Until federalism is restored, everything else is lipstick on a pig.
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