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Is the Tea Party just a pressure release valve?
Nolan Chart ^ | December 15, 2013 | Mark Vogl

Posted on 12/15/2013 4:06:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 12/15/2013 4:06:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well, there's the "profoundly stupid" Senate Conservative Fund, that sent a lot of moola to help Cruz and Rubio and are now trying to displace McConnell . . .
2 posted on 12/15/2013 4:12:32 PM PST by cornelis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is truth to the notion that involvement in Tea Party activism that “replaces” local GOP evolvement to the Rinos is a mistake. It gives them the entrenched vehicle without a fight.


3 posted on 12/15/2013 4:15:48 PM PST by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“What do you think.”

I think perhaps he is being straight armed, possibly deemed as no asset to his Tea Party neighborhood.


4 posted on 12/15/2013 4:21:03 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like somebody wants an organization that can be targeted.


5 posted on 12/15/2013 4:25:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think I like the original better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_gSWTQKE-0


6 posted on 12/15/2013 4:27:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is a very thoughtful and thought-provoking article...thanks for posting!

IMHO, the American electorate needs to come together, and "re-take" our country. This means, "old-time" Democrats who can't stand the way the "Progressives" are running things, and "old-time Republicans" who have to get out of the "country club" mentality, and Tea Party conservatives, who have to realize that too many people either don't understand their goals, or don't yet agree with their principles.

As the Bible says, "a house divided cannot stand"...and the Tea Party is not just a "pressure release valve", BUT, as loath as I am to say this, there must be some agreement on very basic issues (which will still inevitably involve "compromise"), and then the rest must be built from there.

Hopefully before it's too late. JMHO.

7 posted on 12/15/2013 4:27:24 PM PST by 88keys ("work and purpose"...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author needs to do a bit more research before he writes:

(Lou Costello is considering becoming a ballplayer. Bud Abbott wants to make sure he knows what he’s getting into.)

Abbott: Strange as it may seem, they give ball players nowadays very peculiar names.

Costello: Funny names?

Abbott: Nicknames, nicknames. Now, on the St. Louis team we have Who’s on first, What’s on second, I Don’t Know is on third—

Costello: That’s what I want to find out. I want you to tell me the names of the fellows on the St. Louis team.

Abbott: I’m telling you. Who’s on first, What’s on second, I Don’t Know is on third—

Costello: You know the fellows’ names?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: Well, then who’s playing first?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: I mean the fellow’s name on first base.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The fellow playin’ first base.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The guy on first base.

Abbott: Who is on first.

Costello: Well, what are you askin’ me for?

Abbott: I’m not asking you—I’m telling you. Who is on first.

Costello: I’m asking you—who’s on first?

Abbott: That’s the man’s name.

Costello: That’s who’s name?

Abbott: Yes.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Costello: When you pay off the first baseman every month, who gets the money?

Abbott: Every dollar of it. And why not, the man’s entitled to it.

Costello: Who is?

Abbott: Yes.

Costello: So who gets it?

Abbott: Why shouldn’t he? Sometimes his wife comes down and collects it.

Costello: Who’s wife?

Abbott: Yes. After all, the man earns it.

Costello: Who does?

Abbott: Absolutely.

Costello: Well, all I’m trying to find out is what’s the guy’s name on first base?

Abbott: Oh, no, no. What is on second base.

Costello: I’m not asking you who’s on second.

Abbott: Who’s on first!

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Costello: St. Louis has a good outfield?

Abbott: Oh, absolutely.

Costello: The left fielder’s name?

Abbott: Why.

Costello: I don’t know, I just thought I’d ask.

Abbott: Well, I just thought I’d tell you.

Costello: Then tell me who’s playing left field?

Abbott: Who’s playing first.

Costello: Stay out of the infield! The left fielder’s name?

Abbott: Why.

Costello: Because.

Abbott: Oh, he’s center field.

Costello: Wait a minute. You got a pitcher on this team?

Abbott: Wouldn’t this be a fine team w i t h o u t a pitcher?

Costello: Tell me the pitcher’s name.

Abbott: Tomorrow.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Costello: Now, when the guy at bat bunts the ball—me being a good catcher—I want to throw the guy out at first base, so I pick up the ball and throw it to who?

Abbott: Now, that’s he first thing you’ve said right.

Costello: I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT!

Abbott: Don’t get excited. Take it easy.

Costello: I throw the ball to first base, whoever it is grabs the ball, so the guy runs to second. Who picks up the ball and throws it to what. What throws it to I don’t know. I don’t know throws it back to tomorrow—a triple play.

Abbott: Yeah, it could be.

Costello: Another guy gets up and it’s a long ball to center.

Abbott: Because.

Costello: Why? I don’t know. And I don’t care.

Abbott: What was that?

Costello: I said, I DON’T CARE!

Abbott: Oh, that’s our shortstop!


8 posted on 12/15/2013 4:27:31 PM PST by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Where the Tea Party is failing America is that it exists as it does. It is not a political party, so it does not have a formal agenda, or platform, and does not have an organization and democratically elected leadership. It is impossible to know who’s in it, who’s behind it, or what its true purpose is. "

This is the strength, not a failing.

9 posted on 12/15/2013 4:30:51 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It is not a political party, so it does not have a formal agenda, or platform, and does not have an organization and democratically elected leadership. It is impossible to know who’s in it, who’s behind it, or what its true purpose is.

The good thing about tea parties (plural) are ideals. The bad thing is that many that are organized tend to have big fish in small pond syndrome and it becomes ego, not ideas. As far as "democratically elected" leadership goes, that's for members of that party to decide, not you.

The Tea Party is not allowed to coalesce into America’s new Second party to replace the Republican.

Because VOTERS do not allow third parties to be anything but spoilers. Third parties always failed, fail now, and fail in the future.

10 posted on 12/15/2013 4:33:23 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

there’s a group just up the road;

ramonatead.com

great group,meets once a month.


11 posted on 12/15/2013 4:38:06 PM PST by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Darren McCarty

I know of ONE time in history when a third party became a major party. In the 1850s the Whig Party disintegrated, and the Free Soil Party absorbed enough Whigs and anti-slavery Democrats to take the place of the Whigs. At that point, its members felt it needed a new name, and because nobody else was calling themselves “Republican” at that point, they went with that. Therefore, in order for the Tea Party to succeed, either the Democrats or country-club Republicans have to go.


12 posted on 12/15/2013 4:41:10 PM PST by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: KC Burke
Change is not possible while either the Democrat or Republican party is involved. They are the problem. We've gotten to this point due to them.
13 posted on 12/15/2013 4:41:38 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Big Red Badger

Sorry,
to answer the Question,
ain’t sure of the Question.

All I know is they ain’t shootin’


14 posted on 12/15/2013 4:45:15 PM PST by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Darren McCarty
The good thing about tea parties (plural) are ideals. The bad thing is that many that are organized tend to have big fish in small pond syndrome and it becomes ego, not ideas.

Our little informal group was targeted by some clown from the far side of the state who wasn't who he claimed he was. Fortunately we were unanimous in our opposition to unneeded organization. He wanted contact lists and a single person to act as a liaison for him to contact directly.

We know each other by name and have no need for leadership because we're like minded local people who happen to meet for breakfast a couple times per month and chat about various issues and politicians.
15 posted on 12/15/2013 4:50:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cornelis

Why do people have such a problem understanding the Tea Party? We stand for:

* The Constitution AS WRITTEN (which includes Amendments, even dumb ones like the 16th and the 17th)
* Rule by and of law
* Separation of Powers
* Small Government
* Strong Borders
* Capitalism
* Keeping the treasure we earn

What sane person could be AGAINST these?


16 posted on 12/15/2013 4:51:32 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: cripplecreek

>>We know each other by name and have no need for leadership because we’re like minded local people who happen to meet for breakfast a couple times per month and chat about various issues and politicians.<<

Sounds a lot like a bunch of guys in the late 1700s who believed in a quaint concept called “liberty.”

Well, we all saw THAT idea would never take!


17 posted on 12/15/2013 4:54:32 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Berosus

The freesoil party is a good analogy. They elected a fair number of congressmen but were most effective in attracting disaffected Whigs and Democrats into a new party (Republicans).


18 posted on 12/15/2013 4:56:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: freedumb2003
Sounds a lot like a bunch of guys in the late 1700s who believed in a quaint concept called “liberty.”

They didn't really have a need for leadership until they decided to commit treason and then they made the most of it.
19 posted on 12/15/2013 5:02:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the idea that there is the ruling elite, the controllers, is a belief held quite firmly on the left, and is nearly ubiquitous among the Occupy types.

Ostensible conservatives also hold these beliefs, as does this writer.

But I think these are destructive beliefs to have on many levels. Conservatives should stay as far away as possible from these sort of self defeating and self constraining beliefs.


20 posted on 12/15/2013 5:10:57 PM PST by ifinnegan
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