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Rand Paul: I wonít allow you to smear me by claiming that Iím for amnesty
Breitbart on Hot Air ^ | June 12, 2014 | Allahpundit

Posted on 06/13/2014 10:00:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Breitbart dropped the A-bomb on him this morning, headlining a post about Paul’s tete-a-tete with Grover Norquist yesterday on immigration, “Rand Paul: Let’s Compromise On Amnesty.” Naturally Paul started getting hammered for it online, drawing this retort:

Senator Rand Paul ✔ @SenRandPaul

I will not let sloppy journalists characterize my
position as “amnesty.” It is simply untrue.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/12/Op-Ed-Secure-the-Border …

10:35 AM - 12 Jun 2014

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His staff, sensing peril in letting that accusation go unchallenged, slapped together an op-ed stating his position and handed it over to Breitbart. (Which, let’s just acknowledge, was a Jedi-caliber bit of content generation by the BB guys.) Is it true or false that Rand’s for amnesty? Here’s what he says:

I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable. I voted against the Gang of Eight’s comprehensive immigration reform bill because it did not secure the border first. I will only support reform that has border security first as verifiable and ascertained by Congress, not the president.

My plan will not give the president the authority to simply declare that the border is secure. It will require yearly votes of Congress to ensure the president doesn’t get around the law…

Immigrants are drawn to the magnet of free market capitalism here in the United States. Our nation should have open arms to immigrants who want to come here and work hard to make a new life in a free nation. As a libertarian-minded senator, I am attracted to the idea of somebody coming to this country with a couple dollars in his pocket, and then through hard work, make the American Dream a reality.

I do not support amnesty, which is why I don’t support our current system with no border security and a blind eye to the problem.

Three things. One: Unless I’m missing something, his position on immigration hasn’t changed. He’s always supported reform of some kind; what he didn’t support was the Gang of Eight bill, ostensibly because he didn’t like the “special” path to citizenship it created but in reality because he knew that Rubio was going to get nuked for it on the right and decided he’d better stay far away. He’s never going to back away from reform entirely, though, and neither will any other 2016 hopeful. They’re too afraid of being buried under the Latino vote in the general election (even though they will be anyway). Realistically, Paul’s position here — no special path to citizenship and no legalization until the border is verifiably secure — is as far right as any Republican candidate will go in the primaries.

Two: How do you define “amnesty”? As letting illegals apply for citizenship? Letting them apply for legalization? When I use the term, I’m thinking of any bill that would permit legalization before the border has been measurably improved. Paul’s worried about the same thing, which is why he says no fewer than three times in this short op-ed that he’d require a vote of Congress affirming those improvements before any legalization could take place. If you’re holding out for something more stringent than that — no legalization under any circumstances, attrition through enforcement for the indefinite future — that’s great but you’re kidding yourself. Remember, even Ted Cruz, while opposing a path to citizenship, supported the legalization component in the Gang of Eight bill. Congressional Republicans will never again take a “no legalization, period” position after Obama’s landslide among Latinos in 2012. It is what it is. Rand’s plan is as conservative a bill as any prospective nominee will feel safe in supporting.

Three: Rand’s plan doesn’t have the tiniest chance of becoming law and he knows it. He’s putting this out there not as a serious proposal but to pander to conservatives who are skeptical of him. Apart from a few dozen righties in the House, there’s no constituency in Congress that wants to suspend legalization for illegals until the border is secure. Democrats don’t want to because they want the border open for future Democratic voters; Republicans don’t want to because they want the border open for cheap labor for the donor class and the Chamber of Commerce. The only reason border security is part of comprehensive reform in the first place is because it gives Republicans a way to sell the bill to the right. And even if Rand’s bill somehow ended up passing, the GOP would end up caving and gutting it within a few years. Imagine if they passed his plan and Congress was asked to vote in 2016 on whether new improvements to security have made the border sufficiently strong that we can now begin legalizing illegals who are here. How would that vote go in a presidential election year, with the GOP quavering at what might happen among Latino voters if they vote no?

I’m not knocking Paul for this, to be clear. His proposal, while laughably DOA, is a smart way to try to appease conservatives, libertarians, and Latinos simultaneously, emphasizing security while seeming to stand up to the right in insisting on reform that involves legalization. Is it too much to ask, though, that Republicans like him emphasize now and then that the only reason America’s stuck at this endless impasse on comprehensive reform is because Democrats won’t accept border security on its own terms? A Republican Congress, squishy as it would be, would pass a security-only bill overwhelmingly knowing how their base would react if they didn’t. It’s Democrats who can’t stand the idea of improving the border for its own sake, but rather as a regrettable concession to be made in an amnesty deal. Might want to mention that from time to time, senator, to remind voters who the “unreasonable” party in Congress really is.


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KEYWORDS: amnesty; illegalaliens; immigration; randpaul
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1 posted on 06/13/2014 10:00:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Immigrants are drawn to the magnet of free market capitalism here in the United States”

Not they’re not, you idiot. They’re drawn here by all the “free” sh** you and your merry band of traitors keep handing them year after year.


2 posted on 06/13/2014 10:03:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To late Randee-Boy, you are in favor of AMNESTY for Illegal Alien Invaders from Mexico.


3 posted on 06/13/2014 10:03:28 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only thing that is broken is the enforcement of our current laws.


4 posted on 06/13/2014 10:04:34 PM PDT by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lying bastard.


5 posted on 06/13/2014 10:04:34 PM PDT by SIDENET
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Make this your policy, Rand, and no one will be able to smear you with it.

Do those things and illegal aliens will deport themselves and pay for the trip.

6 posted on 06/13/2014 10:04:50 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Congressional Republicans will never again take a “no legalization, period” position after Obama’s landslide among Latinos in 2012.

Then the country is finished. Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here is amnesty. When you reward something, you get more of it. An amnesty will cost $6.3 trillion. So much for being a fiscal conservative.

7 posted on 06/13/2014 10:08:11 PM PDT by kabar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The same old canard -- border security first.

If that is 'first', it could be accomplished WITH EXISTING LAWS. So, we don't need new laws until ...

Seems to be a dead ender.

But, Paul, like many of the others, is jumping around the issue with nuances and parsing of what the meaning of amnesty really is.
8 posted on 06/13/2014 10:10:41 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only idiots will buy his latest line of bullshit.SCREW HIM.


9 posted on 06/13/2014 10:12:22 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t Norquist an islamist?


10 posted on 06/13/2014 10:13:15 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They come here for the free ride of our welfare state. he needs to admit that he screwed up.


11 posted on 06/13/2014 10:13:59 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: onedoug

That’s what I’ve heard.


12 posted on 06/13/2014 10:14:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Randy Rubio Paul.


13 posted on 06/13/2014 10:18:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rand Paul: I won't allow you to smear me by claiming that I'm for amnesty...

...I'll prove it beyond all doubt.


14 posted on 06/13/2014 10:20:02 PM PDT by 867V309 (Don't tread on me, bro)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mr. Paul, I consider you to be with the enemy.

That is all.


15 posted on 06/13/2014 10:22:17 PM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If he wants to maintain credibility, why hang out with Norquist at all. He’s irrelevant, a Jihad-baby, and a crony?

Paul has been more than a little duplicitous on this issue. He’ll need to personally apologize to Freepers and acknowledge his error before I trust him.


16 posted on 06/13/2014 10:22:22 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: TomGuy
If that is 'first', it could be accomplished WITH EXISTING LAWS. So, we don't need new laws until ...

One new law is actually needed.

Illegal entry into the USA is currently a misdemeanor.

It needs to be made a felony.

17 posted on 06/13/2014 10:24:44 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Viennacon

I remember him saying there is nothing we can do but work on reform together. Looser!


18 posted on 06/13/2014 10:26:23 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is what the intellectual godfather of the libertarian movement said about immigration and the welfare state:

Milton Friedman: “There is no doubt that free and open immigration is the right policy in a libertarian state, but in a welfare state it is a different story: the supply of immigrants will become infinite.”

19 posted on 06/13/2014 10:34:38 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s still trying to triangulate this issue! That is just slimy at this point. If you’re not for it, then step up against it. I’d think riding the fence like that would require wearing a cup. Pick a team, Rand, though it looks like you already have.


20 posted on 06/13/2014 10:40:51 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>> I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable.

Enforce the law. Unequivocally. No talk of “reform”, just enforce existing law. If it’s “broken” how will you know what’s broken if you don’t use it?

Enforce existing law. Anything else: good bye.


21 posted on 06/13/2014 10:41:46 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: TigersEye
Roger that!
22 posted on 06/13/2014 10:42:54 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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>> Republicans don’t want to because they want the border open for cheap labor

The implication that Democrats are not exploiting this labor force is absurd.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 10:47:25 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Rand: it just depends on what the meaning of “is” is.

None of these amnesty pimps ever want to own their own agenda.

If you won’t enforce the law, which requires foreign nationals to be deported back to their own country, then you are for amnesty.

It doesn’t matter what cute name you come up with to hide the fact. ‘Regularization’ ‘Normalization’ ‘Special Work Permit’.

It’s all bullcrap. It’s all just Amnesty by Another Name.


24 posted on 06/13/2014 10:50:39 PM PDT by Pelham (Either Deportation or Amnesty.)
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To: Lurker

you’re damn right....free crap.

and I’m shutting up before a tirade


25 posted on 06/13/2014 10:54:37 PM PDT by thestob (Paul Ryan is determined to destroy this country)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Speaking outta both sides. He is disingenuous.
26 posted on 06/13/2014 10:57:29 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Exactly.


27 posted on 06/13/2014 10:58:31 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ok Rand, whatever you want to call it it's still de facto amnesty.
28 posted on 06/13/2014 11:05:45 PM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rand Paul was FOR amnesty BEFORE he was against it. And no, that lie doesn’t fly either, Sen. Rand Paul — your lips are moving and you’re lying again.


29 posted on 06/13/2014 11:07:34 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: onedoug
“Isn’t Norquist an Islamist?”

Yes, Grover Norquist is a bought and paid shill for the Muslims. Another of the GOP Traitors-R-Us RINO Establishment a**holes.

30 posted on 06/13/2014 11:11:42 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: vbmoneyspender

Friedman made an idiotic statement there, people would flood America by the endless 100s of millions even without welfare.

When you live on a dirt floor and haul water, and struggle and someone says that America has dropped it’s borders, all is open, then you will do what it takes to struggle here than there welfare or no welfare, life will be better.

Mass immigration is what ended us as America, and that is what JFK and the democrats/international left wanted it to do.

The few here old enough to remember that immigration was the goal of leftist throughout Western Civilization know, 50 years ago they were changing laws all over to import third worlders to Scandinavia, and throughout Europe and Britain.

They needed people to flood the West to undermine the culture, and the national identities, the history, the religion, the unity and sense of community, the commonality of the nations.


31 posted on 06/13/2014 11:11:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FURP!!


32 posted on 06/13/2014 11:16:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SIDENET

I think politicians prefer to call it spin though.


33 posted on 06/13/2014 11:21:15 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Lurker

AMEN!! Nailed it.


34 posted on 06/13/2014 11:25:15 PM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi / "...it is their duty, to throw off such government...")
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To: Lurker
Free Stuff Army
35 posted on 06/13/2014 11:36:07 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Our nation should have open arms to immigrants who want to come here and work hard to make a new life in a free nation.”

That is not enough senator.

We should have open arms for people who want to become Americans and adopt our culture. In order to become Americans there is a legal process that cannot be bypassed. Everything else is secondary to that.

That is where you failed senator.


36 posted on 06/13/2014 11:36:48 PM PDT by DB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He will not allow anyone to smear him by quoting his own words.

If you give illegal aliens any rights at all and they don’t go to jail for all the crimes they have committed here, then it is amnesty.

Paul wants to redefine the word so that what he supports isn’t what has been since the dawn of the English language defined as “amnesty”.

Put a fork in Paul. He’s done.


37 posted on 06/13/2014 11:38:16 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable.

What we have now is amnesty. Nobody is prosecuting anyone for breaking the laws and nobody is enforcing the laws on the books.

We don't need to reform the immigration laws, we just need to enforce them.

38 posted on 06/13/2014 11:41:06 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: ansel12

His point was that we don’t live in a libertarian state.


39 posted on 06/13/2014 11:51:45 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender
“There is no doubt that free and open immigration is the right policy in a libertarian state, but in a welfare state it is a different story: the supply of immigrants will become infinite.”

It is silly, America would be just as destroyed, regardless of why the border was opened.

40 posted on 06/14/2014 12:03:46 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: P-Marlowe
Put a fork in Paul. He’s done.

Exactly, just like Rubio.

Illegal immigration is a true checkmate for our Republic.

Any politician that does not advocate sealing the borders deserves our contempt.

Like Rubio, I will NEVER give RP another "chance." They are both dead to me.

41 posted on 06/14/2014 12:04:58 AM PDT by sand88
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Senator doth protest too much, methinks.


42 posted on 06/14/2014 12:15:43 AM PDT by kik5150
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
my..my..rant! does what he does best; but there no there, there...tall hat/no cattle.

43 posted on 06/14/2014 1:53:51 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He uses weasel words just like his father. You’re finished, Rand. Give it up.


44 posted on 06/14/2014 2:08:59 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight (...staying home isn't an option.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Paul somehow equates libertarianism with OPEN BORDERS. I’d love to see where Ann Rand (or however you spell it) says that - particularly when those Open Borders turn your country into a Third World cesspool.


45 posted on 06/14/2014 2:49:24 AM PDT by BobL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shaddup Ru Paul, you worthless DemocRat.


46 posted on 06/14/2014 3:05:43 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rand Paul used to be a smart politician, now he's buying into Amnesty long after it's gone rotten in its container in the fridge. Marco Rubio killed his presidential chances with Amnesty starting in 2011 and has jumped ship. Now, now, after Cantor, Rand Paul jumps on board the immigration bandwagon. This is stupid.

"I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable."

Senator Paul, here's your problem with this statement. The current situation is untenable, because President after President has refused to enforce immigration laws. Obama is now at the stage of rampant criminality, where he's activity committing immigration law crimes.

How can new laws, that won't be enforced, except for the open boarders part, help this untenable situtaion? It's just going to make it worse.

Scratch Rand Paul off any list of presidential candidates. Rand, you coulda been a contenda.

47 posted on 06/14/2014 3:20:36 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: BobL

Are you kidding?

COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER

IMMIGRATION:
“”THE ISSUE: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

THE PRINCIPLE: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

SOLUTIONS: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

TRANSITIONAL ACTION: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.””


48 posted on 06/14/2014 3:24:13 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Friedman was saying that illegal immigration is the best immigration because they fit libertarianism, since they are being excluded from government services, yet we still gain them.

Legal immigrants are the problem according to Friedman.

“Look, for example, at the obvious, immediate, practical example of illegal Mexican immigration. Now, that Mexican immigration, over the border, is a good thing. It’s a good thing for the illegal immigrants. It’s a good thing for the United States. It’s a good thing for the citizens of the country. But, it’s only good so long as it’s illegal.”


49 posted on 06/14/2014 3:35:44 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No comprehensive immigration bill once passed will implement border security period. Implement border security first, then we may entertain a discussion about changes to immigration policy such as universal E-verify and severe penalties for employing illegals.


50 posted on 06/14/2014 3:38:35 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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