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Paul Ryan: Obama's Exec Amnesty Not 'High Crimes'
Breitbart's Big Government ^ | July 30, 2014 | Tony Lee

Posted on 07/30/2014 11:32:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

At a Christian Science Monitor breakfast Wednesday, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) said President Barack Obama's lawless executive actions are not high crimes and misdemeanors worthy of impeachment.

"I see this as sort of a ridiculous gambit by the president and his political team to try and change the narrative, raise money, and turn out their base for an upcoming election that they feel is not going to go their way," Ryan said, according to the Wall Street Journal. "[Obama's executive actions do] not rise to the high crime and misdemeanor level."

However, as Andrew McCarthy, the former federal prosecutor and author of Faithless Execution: Building the Political Case for Obama’s Impeachment, wrote in National Review, many politicians and pundits do not know what "high crimes and misdemeanors" actually are when it comes to impeachment.

"Contrary to some less than informed opinion, 'high crimes and misdemeanors' – the legal standard for impeachment – refers not to indictable criminal offenses but to profound breaches of the public trust by high-ranking officials," McCarthy wrote. "Once the standard is understood, it becomes easy to see that the president and his underlings have committed numerous, readily provable impeachable offenses. "

"Yet, even if a president commits a hundred high crimes and misdemeanors, impeachment is a non-starter unless the public is convinced that the president should be removed from power," he continued. "The real question is political: Are his lawlessness and unfitness so thoroughgoing that we can no longer trust him with the awesome power of the chief executive?"

Conservative scholar and talk radio host Mark Levin, who was the Chief of Staff to Ronald Reagan's Attorney General Ed Meese, also said that "a high crime and misdemeanor doesn't mean [Obama] goes out and robs a bank or knocks off a 7-Eleven...."

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Wisconsin; Issues; Parties; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: immigration; impeachment; obama; paulryan

1 posted on 07/30/2014 11:32:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like he has been bought too...


2 posted on 07/30/2014 11:34:26 PM PDT by Rca2000
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh please Monsieur Ryan, go back to Wisconsin and get a real job!

I think of a real American like John Wayne and then I think of the ranking metrosexual from the 1st District in Wisconsin....

... and I can almost feel the big slurry of Boehner tears welling up in the eyes!

Please God, let us give some frickin shots of testosterone to these effete pretty boys in Congress. I can’t stand it anymore!


3 posted on 07/30/2014 11:43:58 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
....so at what point are you guys going to FIGHT this guy?

Cause you're plans of rolling over and dying aren't working so hot.
4 posted on 07/30/2014 11:46:51 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wisconsin please take this prick back


5 posted on 07/30/2014 11:50:47 PM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take backour way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s been a rhino from day one,


6 posted on 07/31/2014 12:06:29 AM PDT by blondee123 (DICTATORSHIP HAS ARRIVED! Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think Paul Ryan has recovered his Mojo yet after the 2012 disappointments. The process can be dispiriting. I would expect a year from now, that Pauls people will survey the typical gop voter and discover what we already know: there is not a great amount of voter passion around the country for Paul Ryan as a presidential candidate. We like and respect his accounting skills, but no longer expect much else.That would suit Paul fine anyway..I think he wants to be on a financing committee vs going through another fixed in advance horserace. Can’t say that I blame him. Gop is not great in supporting its leaders.


7 posted on 07/31/2014 12:07:48 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was something about this guy that bothered me from the beginning. I think it was when he told us that, “We are going to give the people a choice” (a choice between Obama and Romney), when he was running for veep. He didn’t seem too worked up over what would happen if he lost and it seemed like he was already placing the blame on the electorate, as if he and his fellow pols had no responsibiity whatsoever.


8 posted on 07/31/2014 12:08:50 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What exactly is the GOP plan to win in November?

We won't stop a lawless president.

We won't cut spending.

We won't freeze the national debt.

We have no serious plan to save - or replace - Social Security and Medicare.

We have no serious plan to stop ObamaCare.

We have no serious plan to stop the Border Invasion.

We have no serious opposition to Obama’s anti-Israel policy.

Why would anyone vote for us, except to possibly slow down our national suicide?

By the way - the economy grew 4% in the second quarter.

That's enough to guarantee that any GOP attacks on Obama’s economic policies will be met with yawns of indifference by the MSM and many voters.

9 posted on 07/31/2014 12:10:44 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You looking for an impeachable offense Paulie? Try this: “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.” Now that’s impeachable because it’s a lie that advances a fraud and it’s a breech of the public trust.


10 posted on 07/31/2014 12:17:37 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

He was only chosen for veep because he was young and in good physical shape. He was supposed to draw in the “young people” vote.


11 posted on 07/31/2014 12:23:16 AM PDT by berdie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh reeeeelly?

So initiating an action that injures the public at large and blithely making himself to sole guarantor of that which is regularly unlawful not so is not a crime?

The President can manufacturer whatever law he merely deems, without origination in and by consent of the house is a freebie.

You are brilliant and obviously a closted homosexual.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Except your not wanting it to become public knowledge?

Got it.

Hey, maybe he can just start writing the budget from now on, go to war against nation states and other minor ambitions, so long as you don’t object.

Got it.

Though I had been given to think we are a constitutional republic.

Like France? Argentina? Or some other hapless, wreckless givernment immune nor constrained republic.

Nice job


12 posted on 07/31/2014 12:41:20 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can understand the thinking that impeachment might backfire politically, as it did with Clinton, but I don’t agree that one should rule out a priori that if Obama were to trample the Constitution and the laws by enacting amnesty by executive fiat, that would not be impeachable.


13 posted on 07/31/2014 12:41:21 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia is an impeachable offense.

That said, it's a bad idea unless there are 67 votes in the Senate.

Whether the President is impeachable and whether he should be impeached are separate questions.

Ryan obviously got the first question wrong. Zero's executive orders are an excellent cause on which to impeach and remove him. It's just that it isn't worth the trouble unless the removal can actually happen! For the first time in the history of the Republic!

Ryan understands the political order of battle well enough to realize that removal isn't going to happen. But he shouldn't let that political calculation cloud his answer to the first question.

14 posted on 07/31/2014 1:16:58 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In the words spoken during the last senate trial of a sitting POTUS

"Henry, I don't care if you prove [the president] raped a woman and then stood up and shot her dead - you're not going to get 67 votes." Ted Stevens

That was the day Constitutional Checks and Balances in our three branches died.

15 posted on 07/31/2014 1:17:28 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cynwoody; cva66snipe

Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette, President and Mrs. Ferdinand Marcos and LOTS of other leaders have found themselves fleeing the people. Anyone who says it cannot happen here is dreaming. Those folks, for the most part, were unarmed. We sure as hell are not.


16 posted on 07/31/2014 1:22:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: wardaddy

Wow, words of wisdom from Paul, intervertant mistake, Ryan - what could possibly be wrong with that statement?

Someone must have offered him a penny for his support.


17 posted on 07/31/2014 1:22:23 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Paul Ryan has become a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!!


18 posted on 07/31/2014 1:30:20 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Hostage

Obama is LAW-Less because Republican “leaders” are BALL-LESS!!!


19 posted on 07/31/2014 1:31:15 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, Paul, if you don’t think Obama’s deliberate importation of illegals is important, how about running guns to Mexican cartels and/or Muslim jihadists? How about using the IRS to target political enemies? How about going to bed and dreaming about the next fundraiser while Americans were dying in Benghazi? How about Obama’s deliberate and calculated lies concerning the Obamacare law? How about the DOJ’s political bias leading to selective enforcement of the law? How about illegal recess appointments? How about the payoff to the UAW in the guise of the GM bailout?

Isn’t that enough for you, Paul?

Oh, well, there are plenty more high crimes and misdemeanors, if you’d just take off your kneepads, stop servicing Obama, and do some research.


20 posted on 07/31/2014 1:38:45 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette, President and Mrs. Ferdinand Marcos and LOTS of other leaders have found themselves fleeing the people. Anyone who says it cannot happen here is dreaming. Those folks, for the most part, were unarmed. We sure as hell are not.

Our history books are full of instances where locals took on corrupt leaders. In my state the more recent ones were Battle of Athens and another one was a McNairy County Marine vet took a big stick to a corrupt sheriffs department owned by the Dixie Mafia. Other ones include the War of Coal Creek where local miners captured a state militia the governor had sent in LOL.

21 posted on 07/31/2014 1:44:17 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Apparently nothing constitutes “high crimes”.


22 posted on 07/31/2014 2:06:04 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: castlegreyskull

President Nixon had to resign whilst facing impeachment for maybe 3% of what Mr. Obama has done.


23 posted on 07/31/2014 2:08:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lor, the incompetence of GOP leaders and what’s sad is they don’t see it.


24 posted on 07/31/2014 2:32:01 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: RginTN

They see it. They simply don’t care. Power of office and keeping it at any cost including the survival of our nation is their sole agenda. They want their place in the forthcoming Politburo government they are helping to establish. May at this point would also say “All Hail to Leader Obama long may he rule.” It’s sad but the majority of the GOP is now going there. All they want is their place of power in the new government and they’ll sell their souls to get it.


25 posted on 07/31/2014 2:38:05 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: zeestephen

Spot on. The last time the GOP actually had a plan to do anything was the Contract with America. Even though I don’t always agree with Newt, I’ve always liked the fact that he lays out step by step plans.


26 posted on 07/31/2014 2:51:06 AM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Ridiculous gambit”: good term for Paul Ryan’s “vice-presidential” “debate” performance


27 posted on 07/31/2014 3:56:25 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: cva66snipe
majority of the GOP is now going there

You must mean the 2014 primary winners: Cornball, McC, ThadEnough, Lovable Lindsey, Boehner, already a pretty endless list. With Lamar! certain to join on August 7, but only with the name "Cantor" missing

28 posted on 07/31/2014 3:59:15 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: castlegreyskull
Apparently nothing constitutes “high crimes”

You are correct sir. See post 15. A lot of people have described, in colorful detail, all the things that the Obungler could get away with. They are all right.

29 posted on 07/31/2014 4:24:21 AM PDT by Mark17 (Obama & Nero? Both Emperors. The difference is Nero plays a fiddle, while Obama plays Minnesota Fats)
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To: Tzimisce

Fighting back might offend somebody???

Pray America wakes up


30 posted on 07/31/2014 4:57:47 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: lee martell

Accounting skills? That “fiscal hawk” Paul Ryan not only voted for the single largest entitlement program since the (not so) Great Society, he co-authored it! You might recognize it by the catchy name they gave it: “Medicare Part D”. Paul Ryan is a fraud of epic proportions.


31 posted on 07/31/2014 5:59:22 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette, President and Mrs. Ferdinand Marcos and LOTS of other leaders have found themselves fleeing the people. Anyone who says it cannot happen here is dreaming. Those folks, for the most part, were unarmed. We sure as hell are not.

BINGO! Perhaps when the Lerner email is found from White House agreeing that Conservatives are indeed "@$$holes."

32 posted on 07/31/2014 6:03:11 AM PDT by LALALAW (one of the asses who's sick of our "ruling" classes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

STFU, Dumber than Patty Murray.


33 posted on 07/31/2014 7:25:25 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: cynwoody
Getting 34 Senators or more to vote against ousting this President in an impeachment trial could be a valuable bit of ammo when each of them comes to the electorate for retaining their lofty position.

Getting them on record is worth something and meanwhile it would stifle this treacherous pig for at least a bit of time.

34 posted on 07/31/2014 7:33:11 AM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Radix
Dingy Harry would simply refuse to hold a trial. So much for getting them on the record. Dingy knows all about that!

In 1999, when Clinton's impeachment came before the Senate, the GOP was in charge, 55-45. So, the trial was held and the vote taken. Twelve Democrat cross-overs with no RINO defections would have done it. In the end, the RINO count was 10 on the perjury charge and 5 on the obstruction charge. The 'Rats all stayed with their guy. You can see a nice color-coded, sortable list in the Wikipedia.

35 posted on 07/31/2014 11:02:08 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: vmivol00

Completely agree.

Gingrich in 1994-1995 was the last time Conservatives had a passionate, politically brilliant, street fighting, national leader.

Tragically, for us and the country, Gingrich was completely unprepared for - and completely paralyzed by - the MSM and Democrat Party counter attack.

Even more tragically, Gingrich responded to the relentless legal and political assault by moving his positions to the Left, by moderating his rhetoric, by offering a hand of friendship to the Democrats, and, finally, by attacking the very same Conservatives who put him in power in the first place!


36 posted on 07/31/2014 11:39:24 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Thermalseeker
Paul Ryan is a fraud of epic proportions.

True, but people in WI don't know that. He just let Biden totally dominate him in their "debate". Lacked the ability to think, it seemed in retrospect

37 posted on 07/31/2014 3:02:00 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: Theodore R.

Today in early voting I voted for Joe Carr for U.S. Senate to replace Alexander. IF Alexander wins I’ll vote Independent in November.


38 posted on 07/31/2014 4:27:04 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: zeestephen

Newt wasn’t ran off by the DEMs. Those he could handle. He was ran off by an organized coup within the GOP by the man holding the position of Speaker of The House today. Here’s what went down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Paxon BTW note the mans wife. Note who was a keynote speaker and highly visible in the 1996 GOP Convention.


39 posted on 07/31/2014 4:44:51 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s a non-controversy. The Senate isn’t going to convict for anything that’s happened so far. There’s no point in beating up Ryan for recognizing the obvious.


40 posted on 07/31/2014 4:53:52 PM PDT by x
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To: cva66snipe

Thanks - I remember it well.

I agree that the Republican Left wing played a powerful role in the destruction of Gingrich.

However, once again, Gingrich, a political historian, was completely unprepared for the attacks that came from within his own Party.

The GOP Left has been attacking Conservatives since Teddy Roosevelt was president 115 years ago, but Gingrich never saw it coming, and he actually expected the GOP Left to defend him against the Democrats.

But, in the end, Gingrich also betrayed the Conservatives who put their faith in his leadership.

Since 2000, Gingrich has repeatedly attacked Conservatives on immigration, environmental issues, and basic governance issues.

Speaking personally, I will never forgive him for that, and I will never trust him again as a leader.


41 posted on 07/31/2014 10:43:58 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Agreed about Newts character and actions. The takeover I linked to has put the GOP in the hands of GOP-E ever since. Conservatives agenda was tossed aside and Boehner took over.


42 posted on 08/01/2014 1:12:01 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

We don’t have an Independent Senate candidate in TX; all I can do is skip the first contest on the ballot; that means’ I can’t shade a master oval.


43 posted on 08/02/2014 9:15:30 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

RINO Rryan is trying to take over for Speaker “Blank Check” Boehner.

RINO Ryan might even ask “Romneycare” Romney to give him political advice!


44 posted on 08/02/2014 9:20:21 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Theodore R.

Yeah, the laimstream media buried the fact that Medicare Part D was $33 billion over budget 30 days after it passed. It’s easy to maintain that golden boy image when the media only does their job when it suits their agenda.


45 posted on 08/11/2014 7:26:12 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (If ignorance is bliss how come there aren't more happy people?)
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