But, since it's good enough for you, I'll just copy and past part of my answer to you above:
Wow. How dishonest. No thanks for your time-wasting dissertation on whether or not Hawaii regards its short forms as generally valid. That has nothing to do with whether or not Obama's short form was the BEST AVAILABLE DOCUMENTATION of his Hawaiian birth. Just because the short form is adequate for most Hawaiian needs and for passports does not mean it is adequate to qualify a U.S. president to serve. The standard for the latter should be as stringent as possible: all available potentially pertinent documentation should be released. The long form contains information missing from short forms, such as the doctor's name, hospital name, and more details about the parents. Those details might have either increased or decreased the credibility of Obama's claim to have been born in Hawaii. Yet Obama didn't release his long form until 2011.
You apparently want to pretend that releasing the long form in 2007 would have been illegal. It was never illegal for the Hawaii Health Department to release a birth certificate in the exact same manner they had used for decades before shifting to the computerized short forms. Hawaii's preference for short forms was not state law, but simply a DEPARTMENT POLICY intended to increase efficiency. The policy was never intended to deprive Hawaiian citizens of copies of their original birth documentation, on those very rare occasions where there was a legitimate need. The Health Department is in the document-providing business, not the document-hiding business.
Obviously, Obama had a legitimate need for the long form. Obama did not receive his long form Certificate of Live Birth until 2011 ONLY because he did not ask for it until 2011.
Yes, obtaining the form would have required approval of someone in Health Department management, possibly Dr. Fukino. Obtaining that approval might have required ten minutes on the phone for an Obama staffer. In the unlikely event that the request failed, Obama's staff could have easily escalated the request to the governor. The notion that any Hawaiian governor would have denied Senator Obama's request for his long form is laughable. However, in the impossible event that the request was denied, Obama could have complained to the press:
"Hey, I've been trying to convince the Hawaii Health Department and the Hawaiian governor to release my long form birth certificate, but they just won't do it!"
That would have been in all the papers. It never happened.
The form was released when Obama first asked for it to be released, in 2011, before for the 2012 election.
I think his idea was to force his political enemies to expend a lot of time, effort, money, and credibility in pursuing the notion that he was not an American citizen. Once they had committed themselves, he would spring the long form on them, and make them look like fools. It was a less-than-brilliant plan, and he waited too long. Perhaps the "crazy birthers" meme was just too much fun for him and for the press. Eventually even leftist shills like Chris Matthews took the time to actually look into the issue, found out that the long form probably existed, and asked Obama to release it. Continuing to hide the form was unlikely to help Obama much, and the prospect of some rogue Republican Secretary of State taking him off the 2012 ballot unless he provided a long form must have crossed Obama's mind.
This long-running political stunt revealed Obama's contempt for the many millions of Americans who had a legitimate interest in knowing whether or not their president was qualified to hold the office. Obama didn't lift a finger to prevent Dr. Terry Lakin's court-martial. Lakin sacrificed his career to try to force Obama to produce the long form, and Obama's response was "Screw the military and screw you!"
Disgraceful and disgusting.
(You appear to be a leftist troll, and I won't respond to your future copy & paste posts. You should not be on FR.)
Ok, bear in mind I’m only getting one half of this exchange. That is because I stopped reading obot word-walls some time ago. I used to read them, but the obots abused the privilege. They posted ever longer, never-ending word walls, evidently under the misconception that One, what they were saying was in any way fresh or innovative (as opposed to the same tired verbiage they’d already posted hundreds of times), and Two, that those of us on the receiving end had nothing better to do than read mindnumbingly repetitious boilerplate.
Wrong on both counts.
Anyway, back to your post. It is inconceivable to me that anyone could in any way, shape or form have implied that Obama could not produce the LFBC [either the one he claims he found, or via HI records]. [Unless of course it was argued that he could not produce it bc it did not exist. That, prior to the forgery, was true.] Literally inconceivable.
I read your patient, well-stated, factual and accurate reply. You demonstrated far more accommodation than I could have mustered in your place. If some obot implied to me that Obama *couldn’t* obtain a LFBC, here is how I would have answered:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Not as eloquent as your reply, but certainly on point. :)
I agree with you that it was never illegal to release the long form. I also agree that Obama could have requested a copy of the long form way before 2011.
In view of Obama’s 2008 election opponent being born outside of the U.S. proper and never releasing a birth certificate and Obama’s 2012 opponent having a father who was born in Mexico and he only releasd a Michigan short form, the fact that Obama did not release a long form at an earlier date obviously had little to no impact on his electability.
What Obama released and when he released it was Democrat campaign strategy designed to get him the most liberal and left leaning independent votes. Why would anyone expect a leftist to stop acting like a leftist? The birth certificate for Obama was always about campaign strategy.
Under federal statutes, because of the more stringent standards, a U.S. Passport is primary evidence of citizenship and identity and a birth certificate is secondary evidence.
42 CFR 435.407 - Types of acceptable documentary evidence of citizenship.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/435.407