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NC Senate Race

Posted on 07/02/2002 8:01:09 PM PDT by conservasaurous

USA Today Report on NC US Seante Race omitted any polls. What's the skinny? Is Dole trouncing Snyder, et. al. or is the race heating up? Is Bowles way ahead or is Blue catching up. How well are the campaigns being managed? Any surprises to come?


TOPICS: North Carolina; Campaign News; Polls; U.S. Senate
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1 posted on 07/02/2002 8:01:09 PM PDT by conservasaurous
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To: conservasaurous
When they don't mention polls, the Repubican is winning big time.

The way the national media lies or igores things they don't like came home to me big time in 1980.

For many years it was my custom to anchor the election coverage on my radio stations. I had been anchoring presidential election coverage since 1960. In 1980 I had access to the ABC feeds, including the conference calls, the ABC wire, and the Associated Press wire. All said we were in for a very very close presidential race. Later I learned that ABC new it was a Reagan landslide. They had knows since noon on that election day. It was now 7.5 hours later and they were still telling all the stations and newspapers that it was going to be very very close. They knew it was a Reagan landslide.

I opened my election coverage by going to my local reporters and analysts. Since no returns had been counted, they went over the races we were going to cover. At the end I went over the national races. I had just told by audience that we might be in for a very long night, when my producer signaled me to join the ABC network in 60 seconds. They were going live to Plains Ga. for the Carter concession. Abc even ran a story that it was too close to call after Carter had conceeded.

Pat Buchanan was working at CBS that election. He took an early lunch in order to be back for the first exit poll results. When he got back just after noon, the exit polls showed a big Reagan win. Yet CBS did not tell a single affiliate or put it on their wire. Yet in 2000 they were putting out the word everwhere that Gore would likely win.

There is one thing you can bet the farm on. If the media does not tell you, it is not because they think you don't want to know. They think it will be better for their political agenda if you don't know.

If the rolls were reversed, every story would start out with the line that Dole was in big trouble. Bet the farm that Dole is looking like an easy win.

2 posted on 07/02/2002 9:00:58 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
I think all this accounting and corporate fraud is dangerous for the Pubbies. They need to move on it.
3 posted on 07/02/2002 9:28:34 PM PDT by Torie
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To: conservasaurous
I've seen two polls from back in March. The Pubbie poll showed Dole up by 35 points (62-27), and the Dem poll showed her up by 19 points (52-33) over Bowles.
4 posted on 07/03/2002 6:18:27 AM PDT by Coop
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To: Common Tator
By now you must think that I am cyber-stalking you. :) I promise that is not the case - I just find your comments intriguing.

In 2000, wasn't it proven that the networks delayed announcements of Bush victories by hours?

It is a wonder that Republicans ever win anything. There remains a core group of voters left in America who actually think for themselves and have a brain.

5 posted on 07/03/2002 8:08:45 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
Bill Sammon of the Wash Times wrote all about the delayed calls in his book "At Any Cost." To answer your question in detail, check out this link. It's quite informative when put right in front of you.
6 posted on 07/03/2002 8:12:36 AM PDT by Coop
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To: Coop
Thank you very much.
7 posted on 07/03/2002 8:23:44 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Torie
I think all this accounting and corporate fraud is dangerous for the Pubbies. They need to move on it.

Do you really think that somehow the accounting fraud started at 12:00pm. EST on January 20, 2001? If anything these accounting scandals are the Clinton chickens coming home to roost. Some CEO's watched Clinton use his spin machine to deflect attention away from his scandals and emulated these techniques to boost the value or their companies' stock and their own stock options.

8 posted on 07/04/2002 11:29:54 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Torie
Not as long as Global Crossing can be tied around McAliffe's neck. I'll bet Union guys are real happy that ULILCO officer's made out bigtime while the policyholders go the shaft.
9 posted on 07/05/2002 4:52:46 AM PDT by CPT Clay
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To: Common Tator
I agree with your analysis.......BUT......the networks aren't supposed to report exit polling. I seem to remember some grief when it was reported (in error) in Florida that it appeared Gore was going to carry the state by the national media. The problem was the announcement was made assuming all of Florida is in the Eastern time zone. Portions of the panhandle are in the central time zone and polls hadn't closed there when the announcement was made. I remember hearing talk show after talk show with people calling in from the Panhandle claiming to be going to vote for GWB, but turned around when it appeared that their vote was going to be in vain.

If I recall, the polls had only shifted in the last few days prior to the election and some were assuming that the shift to Reagan was noise rather than actual quantifiable polling information. At that time, there were much fewer national polls that would have provided a check and a balance.

So it's little wonder that Buchanan may have known exit polling results knowing that Reagan could win big......however the information was legitimately embargoed.

Should they have continued with the dis-information that it was still going to be close. I don't know, with the exception of the potentially wrong polling data from the day or two before the election, there could have still been a shift back to Carter. But exit polling shouldn't have been revealed until the polls were closed in most states.

10 posted on 07/05/2002 8:34:27 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks; Common Tator
Exit polling just might be becoming ever more unreliable as well. This is due to the fact that states like Tennessee, Oregon, Washington, and even Florida are having an increasing percentage of their ballots cast by mail. In fact, this has been cited as one reason why VNS botched the Florida call on election day. The organization had completely neglected to account for mail-in ballots (which tended to favor Bush). Thus, Gore really did win the majority of votes cast on election day, thereby leading to the false call, but when the early mail-ins and absentee ballots were accounted for, it pushed Bush ahead. I forget where I originally saw this analysis... it might have been in the Washtington Times.
11 posted on 07/06/2002 10:30:19 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: conservasaurous
I agree, any polls that have been taken seem to only say that "Dole is winning" but they don't say by how much. I'm sure the primary race between Dole and Jim Snyder is closer than most think. For those that don't know, Jim Snyder is the conservative Republican in the race. He's basically doing what Bill Simon out in California did...taking on the "big dog" with grassroots tactics. It will be interesting to see how everything pans out.

12 posted on 07/06/2002 6:33:24 PM PDT by cphine
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To: Paleo Conservative
Do you really think that somehow the accounting fraud started at 12:00pm. EST on January 20, 2001? If anything these accounting scandals are the Clinton chickens coming home to roost.

Well little Tommy Dasshole is certainly not reluctant to suggest Klintoon led the American Economy through 8/10ths of a decade of unparalleled virtuous corporate governance that has only now been disrupted by the vile Harry Pitt and the corrupt GWB. This is politics pure and simple. The lib media is going to be all over this from now till election day. GWB's best defense is a good offense. He needs to get somebody on board with impeccable white-collar crime credentials (hint: Rudy Guliani) to start controlling the news cycle with some busts and indictments for the reporters to slaver over.

13 posted on 07/08/2002 9:00:01 PM PDT by QuestionBureaucracy
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