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Chinese Manned Space Launch (live thread as situation develops)
MSNBC/AP ^ | 10-14-03 | AP

Posted on 10/14/2003 3:49:17 PM PDT by bonesmccoy

Thumbs up for China’s space launch

But Beijing decides against live telecast; preparations veiled in traditional secrecy

JIUQUAN, China, Oct. 15 — Keeping his identity secret, China prepared its first astronaut for space travel Tuesday and loaded his rocket with fuel — but said the public and the world would have to wait to learn whether the flight succeeds. The Communist Party newspaper People’s Daily said the launch would “most probably” happen Wednesday morning, which translates to Tuesday evening ET.

STATE TELEVISION scrapped plans for a live broadcast of the launch. A Hong Kong newspaper said the cancellation was prompted by fears of the “political risks” of something going wrong. A successful flight would make China the third nation to put a human into space on its own — a propaganda prize in which communist leaders have invested 11 years of secretive preparation and untold resources. Communist leaders hope the history-making launch will boost China’s standing abroad and, more important, help the party’s image among a populace weary of corruption and other abuses. The three finalists to become China’s first “taikonaut” (TYE’-koh-nawt) were reportedly waiting at a Gobi Desert launch base near this dusty city of concrete apartment buildings in the remote northwest. Security was tight around the remote base, some 175 miles (280 kilometers) northeast of Jiuquan: Cars were turned back and phone calls to the base were blocked. “It’s a big thing for the country,” said Zhang Ming, a man buying a leather jacket in Jiuquan on Tuesday.

WHO WILL FLY? The astronaut candidates, all fighter pilots, were to undergo final tests as little as one hour before the flight, state media said. The government’s Xinhua News Agency has said the “No. 1 astronaut” among them would go up — the strongest sign yet that the flight will carry only one person. People’s Daily said the Shenzhou 5 capsule had completed its own final tests and, on Tuesday, was “sitting on the launch pad with more fuel being injected.” It said top Chinese leaders, including President Hu Jintao, were to attend the launch.

“The launch of Shenzhou 5 is long-awaited by the Chinese people,” said Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue. She said the flight was a key step in the “peaceful development of space” — a reflection of China’s effort to reassure the world that its military-linked program is benign. The Shenzhou, or “Divine Vessel,” is based on the three-seat Russian Soyuz capsule, though with extensive modifications. China also paid Moscow to train at least two astronauts. But Beijing insists everything sent into space will be developed and made in China. State media, trying to dispel suggestions that its triumph depends on foreign know-how, refer to Shenzhou as “China’s self-designed manned spaceship.” Xinhua quoted space officials Tuesday assuring the public that the astronauts’ spacesuits were safe and the Long March CZ-2 F booster was China’s “best rocket.”

CONFIDENCE AND CONCERN After months of official silence, the government showed growing confidence over the past week, announcing that the flight would blast off sometime between Wednesday and Friday and splashing pictures of the once-secret launch base across newspapers. Advertisement

But the decision to cancel a live broadcast suggested leaders might be unnerved by the thought of the propaganda disaster that an accident could produce. The People’s Daily Web site gave no explanation for the decision to cancel. China used to broadcast satellite launches live, but stopped in 1995 after a rocket blew up moments after liftoff, reportedly killing six people on the ground. The Shenzhou 5 launch comes after four test launches of unmanned capsules that orbited the Earth for nearly a week before parachuting back to China’s northern grasslands. State media say the manned flight is expected to last 14 orbits or about 20 hours. State television planned to broadcast taped scenes of the launch only if it succeeds, the Hong Kong newspaper South China Morning Post said, citing “media sources.” State-run China Central Television would not confirm the report. “There might be a live broadcast, or there might not,” a CCTV spokeswoman, who refused to give her name, told The Associated Press. “CCTV employees aren’t allowed to answer that question.”

DECISION CRITICIZED Dozens of messages left on Chinese Web sites taunted officials for their decision and demanded that the government show its people the historic launch as it happens. Such sites are monitored by censors who enforce official rules on content and sometimes erase postings, which suggested the negative postings were genuine. “The decision is very idiotic and reflects our nation’s lack of confidence,” said a note on the popular Sina.com Web site, signed Flyying111. The Gansu Daily, published in the provincial capital, Lanzhou, welcomed the imminent launch. “Finally,” it said, “the time has come to realize the 1,000-year dream of flying dreamed by the sons and daughters of China.”


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To: RadioAstronomer
I too had dreams of being one of the first lunar colonists. Still could happen. Or maybe Mars.

I know a guy out in Oregon, with no particular scientific training, who is a recognized theorist on colonization of Mars, just because that's his dream. There are a lot of caves in Oregon and he theorizes that we could colonize Mars by living in caves.

Modified Martian Lava Tubes

Dreams can come true.

101 posted on 10/14/2003 7:01:48 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: Kaiwen
I seem to remember it in a grade school text, years ago. Still no idea who drew it. It is a classic, though.
102 posted on 10/14/2003 7:02:00 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Hunble
"I give up, why is this funny?"

A couple of years ago, the Chinese got too close to one of our spy planes. (They "thought" we were in their territory). Their pilot did not survive the close encounter, our people tried to destroy all sensitive equipment and our plane was shipped back after the Chinese had ample opportunity to examine a square millimeter of the plane. They asked for our apology that their plane tried to occupy the same space as ours.
103 posted on 10/14/2003 7:04:59 PM PDT by Socratic (Yes, there is method in the madness.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
I too had dreams of being one of the first lunar colonists.

I'm going to settle for being a looner colonist.

104 posted on 10/14/2003 7:08:39 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Socratic
And that was funny?

If anything, that was when I became proud to have George W. Bush as my President.

Today, China now has a man in space! This is not funny in any way.

1) Now China has the ability to attack the US with nuclear weapons.

2) NASA has now lost all respect in the eyes of the world. Today, NASA can not launch a man into space!

Once again, this is NOT FUNNY.

105 posted on 10/14/2003 7:10:05 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: farmfriend
"I'm going to settle for being a looner colonist."

And I'm going to be a loonier colonist.
106 posted on 10/14/2003 7:11:16 PM PDT by Socratic (Yes, there is method in the madness.)
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To: All

107 posted on 10/14/2003 7:11:34 PM PDT by Stars N Stripes (He's crying? There's no crying in Glory Holing! Right you are Ken. Let's go to our MXC Impact Replay)
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To: CobaltBlue
Cool! Thanks for the link!
108 posted on 10/14/2003 7:11:35 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: bonesmccoy
With today's technology, is it really possible that they could launch and we wouldn't know if it were successful or not?
109 posted on 10/14/2003 7:12:37 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny) ( Deuteronomy 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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To: farmfriend
For me it's loony! LOL!
110 posted on 10/14/2003 7:12:44 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Socratic
Good, then I won't be a looney loner.
111 posted on 10/14/2003 7:13:43 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Hunble
"Once again, this is NOT FUNNY."

The humor derived from the Stars Wars parody, in that the Chinese are viewed as the imperialist agressors, i.e. they get a taste of their own medicine.
112 posted on 10/14/2003 7:13:53 PM PDT by Socratic (Yes, there is method in the madness.)
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I'm surprised there isn't anything at Global Security about this launch. This has only been last updated since their Satellite Launches.

Security Concerns With Technology Transfer

Although China has developed a robust space system, they do not have as sophisticated systems as the U. S. China has not developed the systems that allow precise orbit insertion, nor do their rockets have capabilities to control the rates of burn. Finally, China has not refined the capability to measure and control levels of stress placed on satellites. Controlling these forces would allow more sophisticated satellites to be placed in orbit. Because satellites provided by U. S. companies do possess these types of technology, the U. S. was concerned with the potential transfer of technology that might accompany China launching any U. S.-made satellites.

The U. S. concern is divided into two areas, although they are somewhat intertwined; the first concerns advances China might make to its own civilian launch systems. The second is the applications these advances could have to military systems that China might not only use, but also export to rogue nation-states such as Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. Launching a satellite is a very technically complicated activity. China has not independently developed all of its competence in this area. China's technology transfer process has taken on added urgency and a new form with the current windfall of Russian scientists and engineers now working in large numbers for various Chinese interests. By standing on the shoulders of Russia, the United States, Japan, and others, China hopes to more quickly overcome what remains a huge technology lag.

To counter just this type of transfer, the U. S. has restricted the types of satellites that can be launched by China and placed restrictions on how even those satellites must be safeguarded. The U. S. is concerned that China might make technology advances that would allow them to compete more strongly in the space market, further impacting the U. S. space launch business. Of more a national security concern is the impact pirated U. S. technology might have on China's military rockets. Under U. S. law, the administration must restrict any activity that threatens the non-proliferation guidelines of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR).

Therefore, negotiations were conducted to determine what China could expect in marketing her space launch capabilities to U. S. companies. As a result, restrictions were placed to limit the number of U. S. satellites China could launch, as well as the type of satellites. One area of concern is the technology associated with the launching of the Iridium satellites, discussed earlier, and the application this could have to multiple independently targeted re-entry vehicle (MIRV) warheads. Several of these satellites will be launched simultaneously on one rocket and must be dispensed accurately in different orbits. Western satellite vendors will need to support Chinese development of this capability to ensure the correct placement of the satellites. This technology is directly relevant to the development of MIRV'ed missile systems. It is considered a direct application from accurate satellite placement to accurate MIRV launching.

Another area of concern is the development of the apogee kick motor, designed to boost a satellite from geosynchronous transfer orbit (usually an elliptical orbit about 600 miles high) up to geosynchronous orbit (about 22,300 miles high). Since the Chinese kick motor has no flexible nozzle to direct or correct the vector of the rocket's existing gases, its solid rocket propellant must be configured with great care to have exactly the right grain structure and be shaped to produce exactly the right amount of thrust for exactly the right amount of time. It is hardly surprising that the Western firms associated with these Chinese-launched satellites want to validate or certify the propellant and witness Chinese test firings of the kick motor. Yet such certification will not only help China make satellite upper stages for civilian customers, it will also help China make much more reliable, efficient military solid-rocket motors than the first generation systems it currently has.

Finally, all U. S. satellites to be sold to China are likely to come with integration analysis to make sure that Chinese launcher systems are suitable and properly mated with each satellite. This analysis is critical to assure that a given space launcher performs (for example, ignites, separates its individual stages, and cuts off its motors or engines) without shaking or shattering its sensitive payload. This load analysis helps assure the successful launch of civilian satellites. But it can also be used for military launches. Transferring this knowledge would directly assist China to develop advanced, highly accurate MIRVs for its long-range ballistic missiles. 49 As can be seen, China could certainly make advances in its military systems. If this was not enough to concern the U. S., China has sold their present missile systems and missile technology to several nation-states aligned against U. S. national interests. These states include Iraq, Iran, and North Korea, so the U. S. feels justified in the concerns it has as well as the restrictions it imposes on China.

113 posted on 10/14/2003 7:27:54 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia

First Chinese astronaut Yang Liwei, center, shakes hands with another two astronauts before boarding China's first manned spacecraft Shenzhou 5 before its blasting off at Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in northwest China's Gansu Province Wednesday, Oct. 15, 2003. China launched its first manned space mission on Wednesday, sending an astronaut hurtling toward orbit and becoming the third country in Earth's history to do so, four decades after the Soviet Union and the United Sates. (AP Photo/Xinhua, Zhao Jianwei)

114 posted on 10/14/2003 7:39:30 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia

China's first astronaut Yang Liwei, 38, a lieutenant colonel of the People's Liberation Army, is seen inside spacecraft Shenzhou V somewhere above earth after the launch from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in the northwestern province of Gansu October 15, 2003. Yang communicated with the control center saying he felt good. China became only the third country after the former Soviet Union and the United States to put a man into orbit. CHINA OUT, NO ARCHIVES, NO SALES REUTERS/Xinhua

115 posted on 10/14/2003 7:41:16 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia

China's Long March CZ-2 F rocket, carrying manned spacecraft Shenzhou V, blasts off from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in the northwestern province of Gansu October 15, 2003. China became only the third country after the former Soviet Union and the United States to put a man into orbit on Wednesday. Yang Liwei, 38, a Lieutenant colonel of the People's Liberation ARmy, piloted the spacecraft. CHINA OUT, NO ARCHIVES, NO SALES REUTERS/Xinhua

116 posted on 10/14/2003 7:42:12 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
In a few months, visiting astronauts from other nations will be able to order Chineses Take-Away on the Moon and Mars.

But will the (required) cockroaches be able to survive on the moon and Mars?

117 posted on 10/14/2003 7:43:15 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Why do the Flag postage stamps peel off upside down..infiltrators?)
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To: Calpernia
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
118 posted on 10/14/2003 7:44:04 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Calpernia

Valentina Tereshkova, former Russian cosmonaut, smiles during a press luncheon in Tokyo Tuesday, Oct. 14, 2003. On the eve of China's first manned space mission, Tereshkova, the first woman to orbit the earth, praised China's determination to join the tiny club of spacefaring nations. But she also stressed Tuesday that Beijing had help from Russia. (AP Photo/Koji Sasahara)

119 posted on 10/14/2003 7:45:18 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia
Update

Lift-off from the Gobi desert was at 9 a.m. (9 p.m. EDT Tuesday), the start of a mission that it is hoped will rocket China into the exclusive space club pioneered by the former Soviet Union and United States four decades ago.

A Long March 2F rocket called the Shenzhou V -- "divine ship" in Chinese -- carried a single "taikonaut" named Yang Liwei, 38, following a trail blazed by Russian cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin and American Alan Shepard in 1961.

"The Shenzhou mission, if successful, will make China the third nation to send a man into outer space, following the former Soviet Union and the United States," the official Xinhua news agency said in a brief dispatch.

State television said later that the spacecraft had entered Earth orbit.

120 posted on 10/14/2003 7:49:26 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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