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Chinese Manned Space Launch (live thread as situation develops)
MSNBC/AP ^ | 10-14-03 | AP

Posted on 10/14/2003 3:49:17 PM PDT by bonesmccoy

Thumbs up for China’s space launch

But Beijing decides against live telecast; preparations veiled in traditional secrecy

JIUQUAN, China, Oct. 15 — Keeping his identity secret, China prepared its first astronaut for space travel Tuesday and loaded his rocket with fuel — but said the public and the world would have to wait to learn whether the flight succeeds. The Communist Party newspaper People’s Daily said the launch would “most probably” happen Wednesday morning, which translates to Tuesday evening ET.

STATE TELEVISION scrapped plans for a live broadcast of the launch. A Hong Kong newspaper said the cancellation was prompted by fears of the “political risks” of something going wrong. A successful flight would make China the third nation to put a human into space on its own — a propaganda prize in which communist leaders have invested 11 years of secretive preparation and untold resources. Communist leaders hope the history-making launch will boost China’s standing abroad and, more important, help the party’s image among a populace weary of corruption and other abuses. The three finalists to become China’s first “taikonaut” (TYE’-koh-nawt) were reportedly waiting at a Gobi Desert launch base near this dusty city of concrete apartment buildings in the remote northwest. Security was tight around the remote base, some 175 miles (280 kilometers) northeast of Jiuquan: Cars were turned back and phone calls to the base were blocked. “It’s a big thing for the country,” said Zhang Ming, a man buying a leather jacket in Jiuquan on Tuesday.

WHO WILL FLY? The astronaut candidates, all fighter pilots, were to undergo final tests as little as one hour before the flight, state media said. The government’s Xinhua News Agency has said the “No. 1 astronaut” among them would go up — the strongest sign yet that the flight will carry only one person. People’s Daily said the Shenzhou 5 capsule had completed its own final tests and, on Tuesday, was “sitting on the launch pad with more fuel being injected.” It said top Chinese leaders, including President Hu Jintao, were to attend the launch.

“The launch of Shenzhou 5 is long-awaited by the Chinese people,” said Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue. She said the flight was a key step in the “peaceful development of space” — a reflection of China’s effort to reassure the world that its military-linked program is benign. The Shenzhou, or “Divine Vessel,” is based on the three-seat Russian Soyuz capsule, though with extensive modifications. China also paid Moscow to train at least two astronauts. But Beijing insists everything sent into space will be developed and made in China. State media, trying to dispel suggestions that its triumph depends on foreign know-how, refer to Shenzhou as “China’s self-designed manned spaceship.” Xinhua quoted space officials Tuesday assuring the public that the astronauts’ spacesuits were safe and the Long March CZ-2 F booster was China’s “best rocket.”

CONFIDENCE AND CONCERN After months of official silence, the government showed growing confidence over the past week, announcing that the flight would blast off sometime between Wednesday and Friday and splashing pictures of the once-secret launch base across newspapers. Advertisement

But the decision to cancel a live broadcast suggested leaders might be unnerved by the thought of the propaganda disaster that an accident could produce. The People’s Daily Web site gave no explanation for the decision to cancel. China used to broadcast satellite launches live, but stopped in 1995 after a rocket blew up moments after liftoff, reportedly killing six people on the ground. The Shenzhou 5 launch comes after four test launches of unmanned capsules that orbited the Earth for nearly a week before parachuting back to China’s northern grasslands. State media say the manned flight is expected to last 14 orbits or about 20 hours. State television planned to broadcast taped scenes of the launch only if it succeeds, the Hong Kong newspaper South China Morning Post said, citing “media sources.” State-run China Central Television would not confirm the report. “There might be a live broadcast, or there might not,” a CCTV spokeswoman, who refused to give her name, told The Associated Press. “CCTV employees aren’t allowed to answer that question.”

DECISION CRITICIZED Dozens of messages left on Chinese Web sites taunted officials for their decision and demanded that the government show its people the historic launch as it happens. Such sites are monitored by censors who enforce official rules on content and sometimes erase postings, which suggested the negative postings were genuine. “The decision is very idiotic and reflects our nation’s lack of confidence,” said a note on the popular Sina.com Web site, signed Flyying111. The Gansu Daily, published in the provincial capital, Lanzhou, welcomed the imminent launch. “Finally,” it said, “the time has come to realize the 1,000-year dream of flying dreamed by the sons and daughters of China.”


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Breaking News; Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: astronauts; aviation; china; missile; shenzhouv; space
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To: Calpernia
WOW, now that is a news item find!

March 5, 2001

161 posted on 10/14/2003 9:22:24 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Calpernia; All
Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Well it's time for me to poof. Early day tomorrow. :-(

Nite all!
162 posted on 10/14/2003 9:22:53 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Hunble
We Americans became accustomed to sucessful launches.The shuttle left a trail of debris too close to my home to take anything for granted now.

The most exciting space exploration I've seen in recent years were the Mars pictures.

Having a live launch with comments in English would have drawn more interest.I did watch Nightline for the first time in years..on the launch.
163 posted on 10/14/2003 9:23:18 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: RadioAstronomer
SAR was an application of Side Scanning Sonar using radio waves.

I was trying to keep things simple.

164 posted on 10/14/2003 9:24:04 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: RadioAstronomer
As we really can't see any live pictures..I enjoyed the reading.Believe me..I have no space expertise to share!
165 posted on 10/14/2003 9:27:59 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Hunble
Last update from me tonight:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031015/ap_on_sc/china_space&cid=624&ncid=716

Minutes after the launch, a CCTV announcer said that Shenzhou 5 and Yang had "entered orbit at 9:10." Xinhua said Yang was "reading a flight manual in the capsule of the Shenzhou-5 spacecraft and looked composed and at ease."


State media say the manned flight is expected to last about 20 hours.


"I feel good," Yang radioed back from space after a half-hour in flight, according to Xinhua. He told his doctor that his blood pressure and other vital signs were "normal."


Then a bit of cool astronaut bravado: "See you tomorrow."


Li Jinai, chief commander of the country's manned space program, was quoted by Xinhua as saying the spacecraft was operating normally in orbit.
166 posted on 10/14/2003 9:31:44 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia
Goodnight,Calpernia.
167 posted on 10/14/2003 9:36:20 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Calpernia
GOBI DESERT, China, Oct. 15 — China launched its first human space mission on Wednesday, becoming the third country to send people into orbit. The flight repeats a feat that the Soviet Union and the United States first achieved four decades ago.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/976744.asp?0cv=CA01

168 posted on 10/14/2003 9:43:51 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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From: NASANews@hq.nasa.gov
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:30:20 -0400 (EDT)
To: undisclosed-recipients
Subject: NASA ADMINISTRATOR MARKS CHINA'S SPACE MILESTONE

Glenn Mahone/Bob Jacobs
Headquarters, Washington Oct. 14, 2003
(Phone: 202/358-1898/1600)

RELEASE: 03-333

NASA ADMINISTRATOR MARKS CHINA'S SPACE MILESTONE

The following is a statement from NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe about China's first successful human space flight.

"This launch is an important achievement in the history of human exploration. China, after Russia and the United States, is only the third nation to successfully launch humans into space.

"The Chinese people have a long and distinguished history of exploration. NASA wishes China a continued safe human space flight program."

For additional information about NASA's 45 years of exploration and discovery, visit: http://www.nasa.gov

169 posted on 10/14/2003 9:43:59 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Calpernia
Thanks!

That just told me that they are good for multiple orbits.

A once-around would not impress me. That would be like Alan Sheppard's 15 minute flight into "space", if you know what I mean.

So far, China has earned my respect tonight.

170 posted on 10/14/2003 9:44:25 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hunble
After attempting to locate and monitor CNN, FNC, MSNBC, and CNBC for the past two hours, FR trumps all.

Who needs a mega billion dollar News Channel when you got a server and a bunch of dedicated posting people?
171 posted on 10/14/2003 9:46:57 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
NOTHING happens around the world, without some Freeper reporting about it!

Freepers rule, the all others drool!

172 posted on 10/14/2003 9:49:41 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Calpernia; snopercod; XBob; All
Calpernia,

We need the ground tracks for the entire mission.

Note: Ground track appears to cover the ENTIRE continental United States and Australia.

Why did they launch on this ground track?

To show that they can hit all of the US?
173 posted on 10/14/2003 9:50:15 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
Naw, just a simple orbital mechanics.

The Chinese could not alter that orbital path, no matter how hard they tried. It is a simple function of the Latitude that they launch from.

174 posted on 10/14/2003 9:52:34 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hunble
great idea... we should extrapolate on the orbit and see if we can see it.

Orbit three puts it 90 x 3 = 270 minutes (or 4.5 hours after launch). That's in 30 minutes!
175 posted on 10/14/2003 9:53:23 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Hunble
are they at 42 deg north?
176 posted on 10/14/2003 9:55:27 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
I thought about that, but immediately understood the requirements of visual observation of a satellite. It will not be possible to see this spacecraft visually.

However, some HAM radio armatures may be able to follow it's telemetry as it passes over the United States.

You can only see a satellite 1 1/2 hours before sunrise or 1 1/2 hours after sunset.

Hint: It must be dark at your location, but the Sun must illuminate the satellite at it's altitude.

177 posted on 10/14/2003 9:58:40 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hunble
Yeah, you're right. It would have to be closer to dawn/dusk.

I just checked J-track, but NASA does not have the Chinese satillite loaded on J-Track. ISS is over the south pacific right now. I wonder if the guys could have seen the launch?
178 posted on 10/14/2003 10:02:42 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Hunble; All
Speaking of picking up the Chinese manned spaceflight on the radio, the line "What's the Frequency Kenneth" comes to mind.

(But, I jest)
179 posted on 10/14/2003 10:03:48 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
This is still a valid graphic, simply because of orbital dynamics. The Latitude of the launch site will determine the ground track.


180 posted on 10/14/2003 10:05:58 PM PDT by Hunble
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