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Chinese Manned Space Launch (live thread as situation develops)
MSNBC/AP ^ | 10-14-03 | AP

Posted on 10/14/2003 3:49:17 PM PDT by bonesmccoy

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To: petuniasevan
Good to see we watch the same live satellite coverage!
21 posted on 10/14/2003 4:13:53 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: bonesmccoy
It's pretty silly that they won't televise it, the publicity is already beyond their control. If it blows up, you won't hear any announcement. If they're succesful, they'll publicly boast, they can't fool anybody. Commies are weird. :))
22 posted on 10/14/2003 4:14:27 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: adam_az
My guess is that HAM operators and astronomers (NOT TO MENTION THE NSA) will be following it and we will hear news not long after launch.

Yes - I wonder if any of the news channels will be plugged in to these sources. This will be a real test of their news-gathering ingenuity.

23 posted on 10/14/2003 4:14:34 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Let's just hope and pray that it is a manned space mission and not something that the Clinton's gave them to blow this nation to hell by the end of the night.

To assure your safety wear one of these.

Also offers protection from Gedde Lee's annoying high-pitched vocals.

24 posted on 10/14/2003 4:16:39 PM PDT by kanawa (If I can enjoy Neil Young's voice maybe there's hope for I'll get Gedde yet.)
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To: Moonman62
Real quick, folks. Let's suppose that the project director, a local party hack named Wu Fu Ass Clown, has serious debts to a local Triad loan shark. The Triads own the workers at the launch prep site (let's also suppose that, too). Wu Fu is three months in arrears on his protection money to the local Triad heavy, Wo Fat the Quinine Dealer (formerly Jim McGarrett's nemesis on Hawaii Five-O). Wo Fat doesn't take kindly to this getting taken, so he tells his boys at the launch site to drain the fuel from the re-entry rockets. Which they do.

Anyhoo, come reeentry time, the Chinese "Taikonauts" get marooned up there when their reentry thrusters are found empty. Confusion ensues. Question: do we have ANY capability right now to roll out a shuttle to go up there and save their butts?

Be Seeing You,

Chris

25 posted on 10/14/2003 4:16:42 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Drop the sushi, clic on my pic, and visit my blog. Or else!")
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To: Moonman62
That strategy didn't work for the Soviets, and it won't work for the Chicoms, either.

You don't actually believe that the Chinese developed this technology on their own, do you?
Heck, the transnational corporations don't give a flying hoot about our national security and are more than willing to give them our technology just to have cheaper launch vehicles for commercial satellites. Our own government has been funding the Russian program for over a decade now. And even the Pentagon is pushing to offshore it's sources of supply.

The American taxpayer and consumer foots the bill and receives none of the benefits.

26 posted on 10/14/2003 4:17:56 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: bonesmccoy
China ready for history-making human spaceflight
BY STEPHEN CLARK
SPACEFLIGHT NOW

Posted: October 14, 2003

If all goes according to plan, China will join one of the most exclusive international clubs this week when the country's much-awaited inaugural manned flight is expected to blast off from its space base in a remote part of the communist nation.

Liftoff of the Long March 2F rocket is expected between Wednesday and Friday from a specially-built launch pad at the Jiuquan launching center in the Gobi desert, located in the northern part of China. Official media reports say the pad is located in the Chinese Gansu province, however space experts indicate the site is just across the border with Inner Mongolia.

The launch could be as early as 9 a.m. Wednesday, Beijing time (0100 GMT or 9 p.m. EDT Tuesday), according to some reports. The official Xinhua news agency has only said the prestigious mission will begin "at an appropriate time."

Perched atop the rocket is the Shenzhou 5 spacecraft -- meaning "divine vessel" -- awaiting what likely will be a single passenger that has a background as a high performance fighter pilot in the Chinese air force. Fourteen candidates for the mission were chosen several years ago, and three have recently been selected in a final competition for the coveted seat. It is not known when the world will know the identity of the chosen taikonaut or yuhangyuan -- the two most commonly used terms to refer to Chinese astronauts -- but the answer could come at any time.

The two-stage Long March 2F launcher with four liquid-fueled boosters -- all utilizing a mix of unsymmetrical dimethyl hydrazine fuel and nitrogen tetroxide oxidizer -- will take just under ten minutes to reach orbit. Like the Russian Soyuz manned launch system, if there should be a problem during the boost phase, there is a launch escape system to carry the spacecraft and its crew safely away from danger.

The over 190-foot tall Long March is assembled in the confines of a cavernous integration building that starkly resembles the famous facility at Cape Canaveral that housed the assembly of parts of the massive Saturn 5 moon rockets and today is where critical space shuttle components are put together. Rollout from the assembly building to the launch pad likely comes in the final days leading up to liftoff.

The facilities serving the Long March 2F rocket and its Shenzhou payload were built in the 1990's at the Jiuquan satellite launch center, an almost 45-year old base that very little was known about until recently. Jiuquan was China's first launch site and was originally used to for ballistic missile tests and for lofting satellites into low Earth orbit.

Expected to last just under a day, the mission will initially operate in an elliptical orbit that stretches 200 kilometers by 350 kilometers at an inclination of about 42.4 degrees, Xinhua said Friday. The craft will then perform a maneuver to circularize the orbit at about 343 kilometers, much like recent unmanned Shenzhou missions have done several hours into their flights.

The expectation is that the flight will circle the globe 14 times in about 21 hours, an encore performance of the maiden flight of the Shenzhou spacecraft in November 1999. Shenzhou 5's re-entry module containing the mission's human cargo will then separate from the orbital module, to be left in orbit for a number of months to conduct long-term space experiments.

The re-entry module will then begin its entry sequence to return to Earth. Landing in the remote steppes of the Inner Mongolia province -- not far from the launch site -- should come early in the morning of Thursday, Chinese time, given an ontime launch.

Recovery teams will be standing by awaiting the parachuted touchdown. Little is known about plans for the spacecraft or for its passenger after the flight is completed.

Coverage of the flight was expected to be provided live by CCTV, China's central television network that is available to people across much of the world who have access to a satellite dish. A 20-part documentary was also reportedly in the works. But late Tuesday, the China Daily reported that the CCTV broadcast idea had been abandoned.

Much of the fanfare surrounding the manned spaceflight project is purely propaganda, says Charles Vick, a space analyst with Globalsecurity.org. "This also implies that the manned program serves as both a propaganda platform to say that China is a world power but also serves the purpose of regime leadership legitimization to say to the Chinese people that look what we have achieved under their communist party leadership," he wrote in a draft paper this year on Globalsecurity.org.

Funding for Project 921, the official name for the decade-old military-run program to put a Chinese astronaut in space, is valued at roughly $2.3 billion, according to Globalsecurity.org.

For the large portion of the 33-year history of China's status as a spacefaring nation, events have rarely ever been announced in advance due to the military's heavy involvement in the program. That is in sharp contrast to the past few days, when state-run news agencies have churned out report after report heralding the imminent launch of the nation's first manned mission.

The prestige value of such a mission is perceived as quite high, especially since only two other nations have ever possessed the capability to send humans into space. The Soviet Union and the United States both sent men into space in April and May of 1961, respectively.

27 posted on 10/14/2003 4:51:34 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Sen. Joe McCarthy helped win our death-match against the USSR- Pass it on!)
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To: bonesmccoy
Thanks for this post.......
28 posted on 10/14/2003 4:55:42 PM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: I_love_weather; struwwelpeter
I imagine one of the "special" -135's with one non-reflective wing surface, spectral cameras and more might watch the ascent if it's within range ... and if it launches ...

if it doesn't launch, orbit and land successfully, the USA intelligence will know about it probably before the Chinese do ...
29 posted on 10/14/2003 4:58:35 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: quidam
*ping*

You talked a bit about this in the old days...

30 posted on 10/14/2003 4:59:27 PM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
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To: bonesmccoy

Yang Liwei who is expected to be China's first yuhangyuan (astronaut) trains at Gagarin Cosmonautics Center several years ago.

Identity Of Final Group Of Three Yuhangyuans Revealed

31 posted on 10/14/2003 5:05:54 PM PDT by Brett66
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32 posted on 10/14/2003 5:06:14 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: bonesmccoy

Close-up view of the Jiuquan launch tower in China is seen in this image taken by Space Imaging's IKONOS satellite, October 13, 2003. China began the final countdown on Oct. 14 in its bid to become the third nation to rocket a man into orbit, with clear skies forecast over the Gobi desert launch pad. Photo by Space Imaging/Reuters

Sattelites pass over this area in intervals of less than an hour. They can only keep the success or failure of this a secret for maybe 45 minutes.

33 posted on 10/14/2003 5:11:32 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: section9
All systems reporting GO for launch.


34 posted on 10/14/2003 5:18:04 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: bonesmccoy
We'll be watching with a bird's eye view...

Space Based Infrared System
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/warning/sbir.htm

Tactical Information Broadcast System [TIBS]
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/disseminate/tibs.htm

GCCS Integrated Imagery and Intelligence (I3)
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/core/gccs-i3.htm
35 posted on 10/14/2003 5:23:28 PM PDT by TSgt (No longer a mooch - Proud financial supporter of Free Republic)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Paging Flash Gordon:


36 posted on 10/14/2003 5:39:14 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: All
If you have Directv you might want to keep an eye on CH.455 CCTV from China. Their presently showing a documentary on Chinas Space Program, it's very propagandist and kinda funny. However, you never know, they may show the launch or at least report on it.
37 posted on 10/14/2003 5:56:09 PM PDT by Stars N Stripes (He's crying? There's no crying in Glory Holing! Right you are Ken. Let's go to our MXC Impact Replay)
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To: MindBender26; Moonman62
Wang "Wong Way" Wei?

38 posted on 10/14/2003 6:00:46 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Why do the Flag postage stamps peel off upside down..infiltrators?)
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To: All
Lanch was succesfull T+10 min. into the flight.
39 posted on 10/14/2003 6:05:20 PM PDT by Stars N Stripes (He's crying? There's no crying in Glory Holing! Right you are Ken. Let's go to our MXC Impact Replay)
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To: Normal4me; RightWhale; demlosers; Prof Engineer; BlazingArizona; ThreePuttinDude; Brett66; ...
There will be nothing in the media about this. Unless it somehow relates to Kobe or Bennifer.

Space Ping! This is the space ping list! Let me know if you want on or off this list!
40 posted on 10/14/2003 6:05:51 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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