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Rumsfeld defends general who commented on war, Satan
CNN.Com / AP ^ | Thursday, October 16, 2003 Posted: 2:25 PM EDT (1825 GMT) | Associated Press

Posted on 10/16/2003 5:58:40 PM PDT by Bobby777

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:03:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: CDHart
It makes me happy to just to know this guy exists. I was beginning to think that all our generals were sissified globalcrats a la Wesley Clark. Boykin for Prez in '08
61 posted on 10/17/2003 5:20:16 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: Bobby777
How the truth hurts
62 posted on 10/17/2003 5:24:00 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: Bobby777
Ted Kennedy's slanderous Senate speechs are okay with Lincoln Chafee but the generals beliefs are "deplorable"...

Michael Moore's absurd screeds are artistic freedom...

The Dixie Chicks have a first amendment right to be stupid...

A general can't voice his opinions and beliefs without offending the liberal media's sensibilities...

Apparently freedom of speech is not absolute if you are a heroic christian general...

It makes sense to me!

63 posted on 10/17/2003 5:34:51 AM PDT by JonH
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To: Mr Rogers
he had no business wearing his uniform while making those comments. When you are wearing the uniform, you represent the military and the nation.

Unless your name is Wesley Clark and you're running for president.

64 posted on 10/17/2003 7:00:14 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: Callahan
"Boykin for Prez in '08"

Good idea! :^)

Carolyn

65 posted on 10/17/2003 9:31:01 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: LibertarianInExile
I have lived in the Middle East for many years. In fact most of my adult life. Superficially, Islam is a religion much like Christianity. Over time, however, one becomes aware of an undercurrent that is the antithesis of that impression.

The concept of personal freedom does not exist in Islamic society.As a member of that society I have no choices regarding religious preference. If I am not Moslem, I am apostate and have only one option and that option is death.

In a Christian society I have a choice. I can be any religion I want...as long as that religion violates no civil law. Or I am free to be without any religion at all. IOW, I can live a religious or athiestic life as I see fit with impunity, I only have to obey the law of the land to maintain my freedom.

Islamic scholars will tell you exactly what they have in store for non-Moslems. At best slavery. Or death.This is the theology of Satan. Worship me or die.Always the same. Throughout history it has been the same.

Man was put on the earth to make choices. Informed choices, I should say. He is not created to be a slave to anyone or anything. What is better: Serve God freely or be a slave to a false god who rules by fear and force?

My God tells me to be free and obey out of love of Him and my fellow man.Obey because it's my choice to do so.My God also tells me that He loves me and wants the best of everything He has to offer and (the best part)do it because I want to without being forced.Islam cannot survive in a free society.

This is likely more answer than you wanted, it's not easy to put briefly. In the end, it comes down to personal freedom and accountability. If I am not free I can neither be rewarded nor punished for doing (or not doing) things that I have no control over.If I am free I can be rewarded (and punished) for all my actions, good and evil.

66 posted on 10/17/2003 10:03:44 AM PDT by Adrastus
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To: lugsoul
tell me more ...
67 posted on 10/17/2003 12:40:41 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
I know this source gets bashed, but I've posted others with the same info - it is also in the House Government Reform Committee report. This is just a concise version...

Drudge Report

Friday, August 27, 1999

According to publishing sources, the ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION will report on Saturday: Army terrorist experts, including the commander of the top secret Delta Force unit, advised Attorney General Janet Reno to use CS gas against Branch Davidian members!

AJC's Jeff Nesmith is first to report that members of the secret Delta Force, whose presence at the fatal raid was disclosed this week, were involved in planning the operation.

Nesmith names Col. William G. Boykin, the Delta force commander, and Brig. Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, then a member of the First Cavalry Division at Fort Hood, Texas, as the previously unnamed military advisors who advocated the use of CS gas, a potent form of tear gas. Boykin and Schoomaker, Nesmith reveals, were also members of the failed Iranian hostage rescue mission in 1980. Both have been promoted since Waco. Developing

68 posted on 10/17/2003 1:09:57 PM PDT by lugsoul (And I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside)
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To: lugsoul
I still blame Janet Reno for ordering the assault ... but I think if cooler heads had prevailed, Waco should never have occurred ... not the first incident nor the second ... and then the looney-tune McVeigh wouldn't have committed his atrocity at Oklahoma City ...

thanks for the info though ...
69 posted on 10/17/2003 1:22:44 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Deb
Just wearing the uniform does not make you a rep of the government or the military.

Yes and no. In theory, wearing the uniform does NOT make you a spokeman for military policy. Therefor, it is legal.

HOWEVER, wearing the uniform creates the perception of military endorsement of your actions. Therefor, wearing your uniform while speaking in public at unsantioned events is both a bad idea and forbidden to lower ranking officers. I'm a major - you can bet if I wore my uniform to church and spoke like this General did, I'd be in deep trouble.

And if the sergeants who work for me did it, I'd be in their chili. If an airman did it, I'd lecture him - but I expect more responsible behavior from my senior enlisted.

Unfortunately, higher ranking officers are held to a lower standard. What he did was wrong. Why? Because it will hamper an outstanding soldier with an incredible record from performing duties he is uniquely qualified to perform.

70 posted on 10/17/2003 6:02:52 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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