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Bush, Fox to discuss immigration reform
Grand Forks Herald ^ | Oct. 16, 2003 | KEVIN G. HALL, Kinght Ridder Newspapers

Posted on 10/16/2003 8:23:13 PM PDT by FairOpinion

MEXICO CITY - The venue is an Asian trade meeting, but when Mexican President Vicente Fox and President Bush meet on Monday in Bangkok, Thailand, the issue will be immigration reform.

On the sidelines of the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum, Fox once again will press Bush for steps to make life easier for the millions of Mexicans who live in the United States illegally. But with the U.S. presidential election campaign in full swing, Bush is likely to be a tough sell in the wake of a California recall election that suggests that even many Hispanic voters took a dim view of deposed Gov. Gray Davis' efforts on behalf of undocumented residents.

An exit poll showed 52 percent of Hispanic voters opposed Davis' September decision to allow undocumented Mexicans to get a California driver's license. Winning candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger campaigned against the measure.

"You'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not see that immigration issues decided that election," said John Keeley, a spokesman for the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington think tank in favor of tighter immigration controls. He added, "The Hispanic vote is not monolithic. I think the California experience has changed the landscape."

While Bush is likely to hear out Fox on immigration reform, his campaign advisers will remind him that Davis signed the licensing legislation thinking he would win over Mexican-American voters.

"Typically they have been identified as being Democratic voters, but that really isn't the case in California," said Roderick Ai Camp, a professor at Claremont McKenna College in Claremont, Calif., and the author of numerous books on Mexican politics and culture. "Once they are here a certain amount of time, those values are transformed into something more like non-Hispanic voters. It is very much like the independent California voter."

In 2000, candidate Bush fought hard in California for the Hispanic vote and took office promising close relations with Mexico, but his agenda was redefined by the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in New York and the Washington area. Fox now would like to persuade Bush to begin discussing immigration reform again.

"We have to pick up the pace," Geronimo Gutierrez Fernandez, undersecretary for North American affairs at Mexico's foreign ministry, said in an interview.

Gutierrez said Mexico has "moderated its expectations." Mexico, which has 45 consulates throughout the United States to attend to the needs of its citizens, is lobbying state governments to officially recognize an identity card issued by Mexican consulates.

The federal government is divided. The Department of Homeland Security frowns on the cards, fearing theft and falsification, while the Department of the Treasury has endorsed the idea so banks can make it easier for Mexicans in the United States to send an estimated $10 billion to $13 billion to relatives in Mexico.

Creation of the Department of Homeland Security also has complicated relations with Mexico. What had been the U.S. Border Patrol, the Immigration and Naturalization Service and other agencies have been subsumed into the new department, leaving Mexico unsure of whom it should deal with.

A U.S. official involved in Mexico affairs conceded, on the condition of anonymity, that the new department still hasn't resolved issues such as the hours for returning illegal immigrants to Mexico and coordination with Mexican consulates. But the official said those issues should be close to resolution before a meeting of cabinet ministers from both countries scheduled for Nov. 12 in Washington.

Mexico also is upset about a recent pilot program to repatriate Mexicans captured in Arizona through border crossings in Texas hundreds of miles away. The United States began the pilot program with just 15 days advance notice to Mexico.

More than 6,000 Mexicans were returned under the program before it ended on Sept. 30. The Bush administration has not said whether it would be resumed, but an internal document, obtained by Knight Ridder, suggested the pilot program was a success, in part because heat-related deaths of Mexican immigrants in the scorching Arizona desert fell from 10 in September 2002 to one last month.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: apec; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; mexico
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"An exit poll showed 52 percent of Hispanic voters opposed Davis' September decision to allow undocumented Mexicans to get a California driver's license. Winning candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger campaigned against the measure."

I really don't understand Fox's position. Why does he want the people of his own country to leave?

Also note the successful repatriation program. We need to expand it: strengthen the borders and return illegals caught inside the US.

1 posted on 10/16/2003 8:23:14 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
While Bush is likely to hear out Fox on immigration reform, his campaign advisers will remind him that Davis signed the licensing legislation thinking he would win over Mexican-American voters. >>>>>>


Memo to ALL politicians in ALL parties.........

"PANDERING to ILLEGALS will be HAZARDOUS to YOUR JOB" !!

2 posted on 10/16/2003 8:36:24 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx
ping
3 posted on 10/16/2003 8:38:48 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: FairOpinion
"I really don't understand Fox's position. Why does he want the people of his own country to leave?"

The "leaders" of Mexico are extremely racist individuals, who view the people who emigrate to the US as "sub-humans". They have zero concern for their well-being, and instead laugh up their sleeves at us "gringos" who provide them with health care, education, food stamps, housing and tons of other social programs.

One day the U.S. will FINALLY decide to enforce our immigration laws, preferably by prosecuting those who hire illegals and then throwing them so far back in jail they'll need air piped in under pressure. This will be when the "lower-caste" members of Mexico will finally figure out that the gravy train in "El Norte" has finally run out of steam, and on that day the next Mexican revolution will begin.

On that happy day "El Presidente" Fox (or whatever the next worthless, useless, racist, evil, rotten, corrupt, baby eating SOB who is running that miserable $#ithole happens to be at the time) will face the full wrath of the people they have been ignoring and exploiting for so very long.

4 posted on 10/16/2003 8:41:19 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: FairOpinion
What most people don't know, and which was highly under-reported at the time, was that Mexican Americans in California supported Pete Wilson's immigration initiatives in approximately the same proportion as non-hispanic Californians, that is, about 60-40.

The poll was taken, and promptly buried by the mainstream press. It was reported by far-left Pacifica radio, with great disgust, as I remember. And then down the memory hole.

The mainstream press focused on demonstrations led by the race activists instead.
5 posted on 10/16/2003 8:47:01 PM PDT by marron
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To: FairOpinion
Also note the successful repatriation program. We need to expand it: strengthen the borders and return illegals caught inside the US

When was the repatriation program begun, and who was behind it? Sounds like it has been a success and should be continued.

Now to go to work on pulling up the rest of illegals by their "roots" and deporting them. And while we're at it, jail and/or fine anyone who hires illegals.

6 posted on 10/16/2003 8:53:55 PM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: FairOpinion
Just send them back.
7 posted on 10/16/2003 8:54:57 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: VU4G10
Perhaps handing Fox the bill for taking in the spoils of his indian ethnic cleansing program will stem the tide. I'd love to see Bush hand him the bill for that... it'd be in banker boxes I'm sure.
8 posted on 10/16/2003 8:56:38 PM PDT by cyborg (Kyk nou, die ding wat jy soek issie hierie sienj)
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To: FairOpinion
BOHICA!
9 posted on 10/16/2003 8:57:06 PM PDT by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: VU4G10
And then build a Berlin style wall from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. Oh, and put razor wire at the top.
10 posted on 10/16/2003 9:13:35 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: txdoda
THANK YOU. I am in the Bay Area and have many Hispanic friends with whom I also ride public transit each day to go to work together. They're quite aware of my ABSOLUTELY INTOLERANT stance to the illegal problem. Know what? They AGREE. Amnesty, 'free' driver's licenses, all the bulls%it programs DON'T get it with LEGAL immigrants. Bush and Rove need to get with the program. The first contender who doesn't pander and treats immigrants (legal) with the respect and intelligence they deserve, and also realizes the base (80+%) of the voting block WANTS THIS CRAP TO STOP wins the vote. Note California recall numbers, and growing petitions in Arizona and (of all things - Ohio, and NJ for those in 'power' who aren't listening). The Founders didn't want mob rule, but it seems that referendums are the norm now. We're governing as basially a citizen posse - DESPITE who is elected, not how it should be, but the only recourse left. But - good news for California potentially -- redistricting is in the wings since Grayout is jettisoned (yes, ANOTHER grassroots initiative). Sleepless nights for our 'lifetime-appointed' dimmyrats, I hope.
11 posted on 10/16/2003 9:14:55 PM PDT by ysoitanly
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"You'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind" or a crack Republican White House strategist to believe that you insult Americans of Latino origin by being too pro-America. What boobs Karl and the boys are!

Or.. is it strictly "cheap labor" and / or following co-President Fox's wishes?

Mexico, which has 45 consulates throughout the United States to attend to the needs of its citizens, is lobbying state governments to officially recognize an identity card issued by Mexican consulates.

I am outraged at the meddling in our internal affairs! If President Bush bows to Mexico I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT IN 2004. Yes, it will be worse with a traitor to our sovereignty Democrat president. Good! The sooner the civil war will start. Let's get it over with.

12 posted on 10/16/2003 9:15:04 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
You'll love this, then. Wanna know just one tiny reason we recalled Grayout? To keep his job, he voted in drivers' licenses for illegals, which he had twice vetoed due to lackof security provisions. With his job on the line, he passed the bill which stripped it of all security to supposedly pander to and win Hispanic votes. When they smashed him at the polls, he now:

1. vetoed 'free tuition'
2. vetoed recognizing the matricula card as ID

Try not to chuckle as you ponder the hypocrisy and spite. BYE DAVIS!
13 posted on 10/16/2003 9:21:01 PM PDT by ysoitanly
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
You'll love this, then. Wanna know just one other tiny reason we recalled Grayout? To keep his job, he voted in drivers' licenses for illegals, which he had twice vetoed in the past, due to lack of security provisions. With his job on the line, he passed the bill, which by then was stripped of all security provisions, to obviously pander to and win Hispanic votes. When they smashed him at the polls, he now:

1. vetoed 'free in-state tuition' fees
2. vetoed recognizing the matricula card as ID

Try not to chuckle as you ponder the hypocrisy and spite. Hey, I wanted to let you drive, but I don't recognize who you are! BYE DAVIS!
15 posted on 10/16/2003 9:24:14 PM PDT by ysoitanly
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To: ysoitanly
Sorry for double post. I guess I hit 'return' once too many times when the modem was slow!
16 posted on 10/16/2003 9:26:21 PM PDT by ysoitanly
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To: ysoitanly
Know what? They AGREE.

I see the exact same thing here --- Bush won't win the hispanic vote by pandering to Senor Vicente Fox on this issue. Some hispanics absolutely despise Vicente Fox because of his total inaction on the murders of women and girls in Juarez. He's a disgusting piece of nothing when it comes to doing anything positive for Mexico. The elections this past July show how much he's liked in Mexico ---- not much. Bush ought to look at the career of Silvestre Reyes --- how he got elected from an almost completely hispanic district --- because he was seen as someone who would do something about closing the porous border.

17 posted on 10/16/2003 9:33:22 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FairOpinion
Here's a chance for the U.S. to tell Mexico that it either keeps its citizens inside its borders or Mexico doesn't get to trade with the U.S.

And we boycott Mexican products.
18 posted on 10/16/2003 9:34:21 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: FairOpinion
suggests that even many Hispanic voters took a dim view of deposed Gov. Gray Davis' efforts on behalf of undocumented residents.

And this should have come as no surprise what-so-ever. Republicans especially have it all wrong when they think there is a "hispanic" vote that is going to really come together for them if they just hand out enough amnesties and cow-tow to Vicente Fox.

19 posted on 10/16/2003 9:43:10 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FairOpinion
I really don't understand Fox's position. Why does he want the people of his own country to leave?

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If you look at a map only about 25% of Mexico is inhabitable to serious extent. Mexico has a high birth rate, is overcrowded, and has no economy. To avoid being choked by the number of Mexicans Fox needs to export 2,500,000 a year to the United States just to break even with population growth. In order for Mexico to have any economy, it must annex the economies of several American states. In brief, Fox needs to annex California, Arizona, and several other states through overwhelming those states with immigrants and taking control of them. Bush will help him do it.

20 posted on 10/16/2003 9:44:14 PM PDT by RLK
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