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Futile Care: The Terri Schiavo Case
Newsmax/AP ^ | Friday, Oct. 17, 2003 | Diane Alden

Posted on 10/16/2003 10:38:41 PM PDT by nickcarraway

This is not the column I was going to write. However, it the column I must write.

A young woman named Terri Schiavo [www.terrisfight.org] is on a deathwatch through court-ordered starvation and dehydration. Her death comes courtesy of the efforts of her husband, Michael Schiavo; right-to-die activists like lawyer George Felos and Dr. Ronald Cranford; judges George Greer and Richard Lazzara; and the Florida Supreme Court and the U.S. Supreme Court, which have refused to hear the case.

Terri's parents want her to live, and after viewing the videos and talking to people, so do I. Up-to-date information is at www.terrisfight.org.

On the other hand, you can look up the Hemlock Society Web site [www.hemlock.org] to find fun ways to die or have someone else help you die. You can go to most university bioethics department Web sites or read learned papers written by bioethicists with Ph.D. or M.D. degrees. You will find how our society has progressed from finding humane ways for the "right to die" to good intellectual excuses for terminating others.

The various "right to die" organizations apparently are setting us up to accept the notion that it is our responsibility to end our agony at some point – particularly if we become a burden to the system, depressed, old or inconvenient. This particular right will be given to us by a doctor, nurse, medical institution, judge or relative who makes it their mission in life to dispose of us for a host of "humane" reasons.

The list of "quality of life" standards is growing. It is a list consisting of elements on the slippery slope from being humane to being rid of the unwanted. It has evolved from simply withholding heroic efforts to save a brain-dead or terminal human to a laundry list of whether or not we are costly to maintain, unproductive, dependent, burdensome, poor or depressed. To find out more: www.hospicepatients.org/euth-center.html

Death in Legal Doses

Termination by starvation and dehydration has been used many times before. Reports on elder abuse and news accounts from around the U.S. reveal that it is one of the most notorious ways to kill feeble elderly. It has also been used on disabled and brain-damaged younger people and babies.

It was also used in Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Treblinka and the Soviet gulags. Stalin used starvation as a means of control. Nazi doctors experimenting on unwilling "patients" adopted all kinds of cruel techniques. One of those techniques was starvation and dehydration. It is recorded in the records of the Nuremberg Trials.

More recently, there were the deaths of other millions in the laogai, the Chinese gulag system. In North Korea reports of mass starvation have been rampant and it is used as a tool, a utilitarian political and demographic tool. The operative word here is utilitarian.

In one of the most notorious cases in the U.S. during the '90s, the death by starvation and dehydration was even recorded by "Frontline," a PBS effort to show how peaceful such a death could be. Of course it helped that the woman to be terminated had been shot full of opiates.

Nancy Cruzan's parents challenged the hospital to allow their daughter to be terminated through starvation and dehydration. Nancy, brain injured in a car accident, was breathing on her own and taking food by mouth. According to court records, she could hear, see, smiled at amusing stories, cried at times when visitors left, sometimes seemed to try to form words, and experienced pain from menstrual cramps.

Also, according to court records, Nancy required no type of skilled nursing, no care except food and fluids, personal hygiene and repositioning to avoid bedsores. The records also state that she could have been cared for in a home setting.

What is worse, it was the latest "cause" for the other Dr. Death, Dr. Ronald Cranford, University of Minnesota Bioethics Department. Cranford has been the principal voice calling for the starvation/dehydration deaths of Paul Brophy, Nancy Ellen Jobes, Nancy Cruzan and Christine Busalacchi, and now Terri Schiavo. All of the euthanized/terminated were brain-damaged but not dying.

He testified that he would even consider spoon-feeding for Nancy Cruzan to be "medical treatment" because that "would be totally inconsistent with what was wanted" (her death). (Cruzan v. Harmon [Missouri], Trial Testimony, 3/3/88, Transcript Vol. 1, pp. 228-229)

Cranford wrote in a CFD newsletter (Summer 1988), "I also believe that there may be extreme situations, and in the future increasingly common situations, where physician-assisted suicide may not only be permissible, but encouraged."

He wasn't the only one in the "progressive" community to support such efforts. I am ashamed a "Catholic" priest got involved. It was through the efforts of Fr. Kevin O'Rourke, O.P., whose pro-euthanasia stand was reaffirmed in his Supreme Court brief supporting the starvation of Nancy Cruzan.

There are many "Catholic" bioethcists who have forgotten that Pope John Paul II wrote in 1998, "the omission of nutrition and hydration intended to cause a patient's death must be rejected."

Consider Sgt. Arnold Shumosic, a 23-year-old Catholic, whose parents sought to starve him to death at the Ellsmere, Del., Veterans Administration hospital in 1988. The V.A. was only too willing to sacrifice Arnold's life on the altar of "quality," but, as Sen. Jesse Helms wrote President Ronald Reagan: "For a soldier to die for his country on the field of battle is an honor. For his country to murder him in his hospital bed is a disgrace." [pw1.netcom.com/~cureltd/death.htm]

Behind this devaluation of human life is the philosophy of utilitarianism and materialism. That philosophy is the heart of both Nazism and Communism: The value of an individual is measured by his or her usefulness to the group.

Legalizing Murder

In the Netherlands, where euthanasia has become routine, it accounts for almost 10 percent of all deaths there; more than half of those people did not ask to be killed. Not only do physicians perform assisted suicide on terminally ill patients, but they also kill newborn infants and hospitalized seniors whose quality of life is judged to be too poor.

There is increasing concern about involuntary euthanasia among Dutch citizens with disabilities. Many of them are joining the Dutch Patients’ Association, which issues a wallet-sized card stating that it is “intended to prevent involuntary euthanasia in case of admission of the signer to the hospital.” [www.pregnantpause.org/euth/compass.htm]

If the United States were to practice active euthanasia to the extent practiced in the Netherlands, taking into account the population differences, there would be approximately 200,000 euthanasia deaths annually in the United States, with approximately 100,000 deaths caused without the consent of the patient.

Some institutions have cautiously, quietly joined the call for euthanasia. Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Michigan Foundation paid for a survey promoting physician-assisted suicide by giving a grant to suicide rights activist Dr. Howard Brody. Respondents were appealed to by being presented with what might be described as idyllic circumstances: availability limited to the unquestionably terminally ill, a procedure managed in a comfortable therapeutic environment and the patient dispatched without any pain. [www.lifeadvocate.org/11_97/feature.htm]

In the current case of Terri Schiavo, Ron Panzer of Hospice Patients Alliance remarks: "Terri Schiavo's case is an in-your-face effort by the right-to-die (kill) activists to openly ram the duty to die down the throat of society. It is a precedent-setting case, make no mistake about that! There will be many articles about this case. Skim them, read them, but if you care about hospice and end-of-life care, you cannot think realistically that this case will not impact the future of hospice everywhere. It will. Some hospice administrators may be motivated to make a stand against such killings of the disabled. Others will hop right in and join the duty-to-die crowd, using hospice to eliminate the vulnerable, while enriching the hospices and other health care corporations, agencies and insurers. Watch and see! This issue is not going away, and we will remember who did NOT intervene to save Terri." [www.hospicepatients.org] or call [616] 866-9127.

The Grisly Details

The Hemlock Society description of death by starvation and dehydration:

The length of time it took for patients to die in these studies varies considerably depending on the fragility and weight of the patient, the state of his/her heart, etc., from several days to several weeks. Most of the reports of dying patients are within one or two weeks from dehydration.

*After the first day a state called detonemia develops in which there are apparently severe hunger pangs (unless feeding is restored).

*Not taking fluids appears to actually reduce a person's discomfort, bloating, nausea, lung secretions, urinary frequency and pain, and is a good idea at the end of life in any case.

*This method may be difficult for family members – and some medical personnel – who may find it difficult not to provide food and fluids. A family may need help caring for the dying person.

*Excellent oral hygiene must be maintained with ice chips to moisten the mouth, careful cleaning of the mouth, and lubricants. Skin becomes dry and inelastic so a soft mattress is helpful. Dizziness and weakness also occur.

Another description of this particular American way of dying is described by Justice Lynch of the Massachusetts Supreme Court in the case of firefighter Paul Brophy, who lapsed into coma after surgery. Removal of his G-tube led to his death eight days later, thanks in no small part to the efforts of (bioethicist) death squad professional Dr. Ronald Cranford.

In his dissent from the court majority approval of Brophy's death in this manner, Justice Lynch states: "the [likely] various effects from the lack of hydration and nutrition" as follows:

"Brophy's mouth would dry out and become caked or coated with thick material. His lips would become parched and cracked. His tongue would swell, and might crack. His eyes would recede back into their orbits and his cheeks would become hollow. The lining of his nose might crack and cause his nose to bleed. His skin would hang loose on his body and become dry and scaly. His urine would become highly concentrated, leading to burning of the bladder. The lining of his stomach would dry out and he would experience dry heaves and vomiting. His body temperature would become very high. His brain cells would dry out, and the thick secretions that would result could plug his lungs and cause death. At some point within five days to three weeks his major organs, including his lungs, heart, and brain, would give out and he would die." (Brophy v. New England Sinai Hospital, No. 85E0009-G1,10/21/85:28-2]

When he began having seizures, anticonvulsant medication was administered via the tube, as were antacids to prevent hemorrhaging and laxatives to make him more "comfortable" as he died.

The inconvenient facts are that food and water are NOT medical treatment. They are not therapeutic nor do they treat diseases. They are a necessity for life. In Terri Schiavo's case, as in all others with the exception of those who can't hold food down, it is nothing less than legalized murder. It is a cruel and inhumane way to die enshrined by our legal, medical and "ethical" community.

Who Will Speak for the Voiceless?

As I am mired in documents and testimony related to my book, it is ironic that research has me burrowing through collections on the Nuremberg Trials recently made public. Located at Yale, Harvard and the Truman Library, for the most part these records may be accessed online.

So much information to plow through – however, the theme remains the same: A civilized society or country can catapult down that slippery slope toward inhumane decadence faster than a drunken teenager in a Ferrari on Saturday night.

Don't anyone write to me and say it can't happen here. Don't tell me about having to remove Uncle Sid from life support and what a difficult decision it was. I have been in that position, at the end of my mother's life. That is not what Terri Schiavo's case is about.

Death for those who are not terminal happens every day.

It is simply called something else: futile care, death with dignity, partial-birth abortion, rule of law, "choice," or elder abuse. It happens as the legal, intellectual and financial system finds reasons to continue to expand the death culture. Meanwhile, the establishment elite and dumbed-down, secularized, decadent culture looks the other way.

I am here to tell you we are in a very similar position to that of Germany during the Weimar Republic prior to the rise of Hitler and the Third Reich. Problem is that left, right and libertarian, government, business, education, churches and associations, foundations and universities are greasing the slope toward that statist tyranny.

Contemplating those Nuremberg documents has convinced me that the bioethics departments in most universities are akin to the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich. The doctors and "scientists" at the Institute gave scientific legitimacy to one of the most grisly, evil barbaric rampages in the history of mankind.

That rampage is happening in America without the Gestapo and SS. We have the courts and our institutions willing to couch the horror in legalism and euphemisms.

Addressing issues of life and death in America, Supreme Court Justice Scalia said, "A Christian should not support a government that suppresses the faith or one that sanctions the taking of an innocent human life."

The archbishop of Denver in a pastoral letter remarked: "The direction of the modern state is against the dignity of human life. These decisions harbinger a dramatic intensifying of the conflict between the Catholic Church and governing civil authorities."

PETA Would Be Proud

During the Nuremberg Trials, Gen. Telford Taylor took over the prosecution when Chief Justice Robert Jackson returned to the U.S. to resume his duties on the Supreme Court. Taylor's statement haunted me because in the U.S., as in Nazi Germany, animal rights have become more important than human rights to many.

I will bet there are more legal, legislative and NGOs working to expand territory for grizzly bears or enforcing the Endangered Species Act, than there are attempting to prevent our descent into hell on matters of life and death for human beings.

General Taylor:

"The Nazis themselves passed [a law] on the 24th of November 1933 for the protection of animals. This law states explicitly "that it is designed to prevent cruelty and indifference of man towards animals and to awaken and develop sympathy and understanding for animals as one of the highest moral values of a people. The soul of the German people should abhor the principle of mere utility without consideration of the moral aspects.

The law states further "that all operations or treatments which are associated with pain or injury, especially experiments involving the use of cold, heat, or infection, are prohibited, and can be permitted only under special exceptional circumstances."

If the principles announced in this law had been followed for human beings as well, this indictment would never have been filed. It is perhaps the deepest shame of the defendants that it probably never even occurred to them that human beings should be treated with at least equal humanity.

Their failure was the inevitable outcome of that sinister undercurrent of German philosophy which preaches the supreme importance of the state and the complete subordination of the individual. A nation in which the individual means nothing will find few leaders courageous and able enough to serve its best interests."

[Trials of War Criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council Law No. 10. Nuremberg, October 1946–April 1949. Washington, D.C.: U.S. G.P.O, 1949–1953.]

That road to hell is being prepared by the U.S. film, literati and TV culture as well, using the same kinds of propaganda on life-and-death issues that were being foisted on the German public by the cultural elites of the Third Reich. In the Nazi film "Ich Klage an" ("I Accuse"), produced in 1941, the message of the two-hour-long film is that doctors who submit to an incurable patient’s death wish act legally and morally.

Hanna, a beautiful ,dying woman approaches her husband, Thomas, and says: "You must help me. I want to remain your Hanna till the very end; I don’t want to become somebody else who is deaf, blind and idiotic. I wouldn’t endure that. Thomas, if you really love me, promise that you will deliver me from this beforehand."

Thomas "helps" Hanna with a drug overdose: "Yes, I confess: I did kill my incurably ill wife, but it was at her request." In the Nazi film, it was not worthless life being exterminated but a plea for death in a humane way.

The logic of that Nazi propaganda film is exactly what we hear today in movies and TV. They are the harbingers of those who are anxious and willing to make life cheap. This appetite to snuff the unproductive, the disabled, the less than perfect, the inconvenient, the clinically depressed will gather steam as it has in the Netherlands and in the United States in states like Oregon, as the society ages.

Thus, in a few short years, we have gone from a nation believing it is a kindness to dispense with heroic efforts to keep someone alive, to a country that intervenes directly when someone's "quality of life" doesn't live up to certain standards. The various instruments and agents of death surround it in euphemisms like "futile care" theory.

Futile care theory controls many major health-care institutions, insurance companies, nursing homes, and even that paragon called hospice care.

Futile care theory will take on the same import as other perversions of the law in the United States and Europe. As the Boomers age, the fervor to send us to our Maker will grow. It will be gauged by how much we are costing the system, or whether or not our relatives want us out of the way, or if some committee of the anointed, doctors or HMOs, concludes we are a burden and don't fit the standard they set for "quality of life."

I guarantee the day is coming when Boomers will be coerced to end their lives or someone else will make the decision for them. Some tribes of American Indians used to send the old and feeble into 40-below weather. It was a kinder death than what the cultural, legal and medical elites have devised for us.

Evolution of Death

J.A. Emerson Vermaat studied law at Leyden University. He is a senior television reporter in Hilversum, the Netherlands, and specializes in international affairs and European history. He is the author of a book about international crime networks, "Het criminele web: De globalisering van de misdaad" (De Banier Publishers, Utrecht, 2000), and is currently preparing a book about euthanasia in the Third Reich.

In an article that appeared in Ethics and Medicine, Vermaat gives us a glance at the way euthanasia evolved into mass killings in the Third Reich.

Vermaat states: "Karl Brandt, the head of Hitler’s euthanasia program, claimed at his trial after the war: ‘The underlying motive was the desire to help individuals who could not help themselves and were thus prolonging their lives of torment."

On the other hand, "Lothar Kreyssig, a judge from Brandenburg/Havel informed Nazi Justice Minister Gurtner about his revulsion toward this practice. He did so in a letter dated 8 July 1940:

"About two weeks ago an acquaintance told me about rumors of numerous mental patients having recently been transferred by the SS from their clinics and nursing homes to institutions in southern Germany where they were killed. ... The issue of the meaning of these lives actually touches on the very issues of existence. It leads directly to the question of God. … Destroying ‘worthless life’ is a serious matter of conscience. Life is a mystery of God. ... It is man’s incredible rebellion and arrogance to think he can terminate life because his limited judgment tells him that such life does not or does no longer have any meaning."

Dr. Kreyssig was also a member of the ‘Confessing Church,’ a vocal anti-Nazi movement within the mainstream German Evangelical Church. Like Lutheran pastor and martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Kreyssig believed silence was the same as being complicit.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the German Lutheran pastor who was martyred for resisting Hitler, gave what may be the clearest expression of the principle: "If government persistently and arbitrarily violates its assigned task, then the divine mandate lapses."

Then again, during World War II there were also more than a few brave Catholic leaders in the hierarchy. Bishop Clemens August Graf von Galen preached a fire-and-brimstone sermon in the church of St. Lamberti in Muenster. In 1941, he stormed heaven and raised hell shouting to the gathering:

"It is a terrible theory [euthanasia] which wants to justify murdering the innocent, which practically legalizes the violent killing of disabled people who are no longer able to work, the crippled, the incurably sick and the decrepit ones. ... When one upholds and practices the principle that “unproductive” fellow human beings may be killed, woe then unto us all when we ourselves will be old and weak! When unproductive human beings may be killed, woe then unto the disabled who gave, sacrificed and lost their strength and healthy bones in the production process!"

Wesley J. Smith is a lawyer and expert on the American way of death and dying. "Forced Exit" is a must read for all of us growing older in an increasingly death-obsessed and declining culture.

Smith tells us: "It wasn't much more than 20 years ago that withdrawing tube-supplied food and water from a patient due to cognitive disability was virtually unthinkable in clinical medicine. Indeed, it would have been a crime in many jurisdictions. However, by the early 1990s, in the wake of the Nancy Cruzan case, virtually all states permitted families to decide to withdraw tube-supplied nutrition and hydration as a matter of the 'right to die.' Today, throughout the country, conscious and unconscious cognitively disabled people are intentionally dehydrated to death almost as a matter of medical routine when families consent."

End of Days

The Aug. 11, 2003, video taken of Terri Schiavo by her father, Bob Schindler, shows a woman who is alive and aware. She knows her mother and she tracks a balloon from one point to another. Terri's father defied Judge George Greer's court order to take that video of Terri. Because of it he may face jail time.

Nonetheless, Terri's dad did what I would do in similar circumstances. There are instances when the only thing to be done is to defy authority, including the courts. There is, after all, a higher law.

Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo, and lawyer George Felos have forbidden the Schindlers from any contact with Terri without one of their representatives present.

Gov. Jeb Bush attempted to intervene but has been castigated by Judge Greer to stay out of it. Clinton appointee Federal District Judge Lazzara stated that there is nothing anyone can do, including himself and the governor. Gov. Bush's office told the Schindlers and the press that he didn't feel he could intervene any more because of the "separation of powers."

Gov. Bush may not be aware of this, but activist courts and a complicit, lazy Congress breached separation of powers decades ago.

There is one member of one court who gets it right: "What secret knowledge, one must wonder, is breathed into lawyers when they become Justices of this Court?" Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia has asked. "Day by day, case by case, [the Court] is busy designing a Constitution for a country I do not recognize."

It will take a miracle or the bravery of a saint to confront our increasingly corrupt system. It will take a saint or brave person to intervene for Terri Schiavo and others like her.

Pope John Paul II beatifies Mother Teresa this week. Perhaps her prayerful intervention can help Terri and the REST of us. What we need is a divine rage to make the changes necessary to save us from the continued descent into hell.

As one of my favorite poets wrote:

"Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night. …
Rage, rage against the dying of the light." (Dylan Thomas)

Write to Jeb Bush at: jeb.bush@myflorida.com

or at: Jeb Bush, Governor
Executive Office of the Governor
400 S. Monroe Street
The Capitol
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0001

Sign the petition to Jeb Bush at: http://www.terrisfight.org

Phone the Governor
In Tallahassee at 850-488-7146

Phone Attorney General Charlie Crist
In Tallahassee at 850-414-3990

Phone State Attorney Bernie McCabe
In Clearwater at 727-464-6221

Organizations speaking for or joining coalitions for legalization of assisted suicide include:

American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)

American Humanist Association

Americans for Democratic Action

National Association of Social Workers

Gray Panthers

Older Women's League (OWL)

some affiliates of National Organization for Women (NOW)

Libertarian Party


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To: christie
What I'm trying to say, if you think you can depend on a hospital or nursing home to take care of you, think again.

From personal experience, I know you are right. Elderly or sick people need to have a family fighting for them.

She probably won't get much better than she is now. They refuse to give her therapy. They consider her non-responsive and won't try. We do what we can.

My advice is to get in there and fight and get her therapy.

I was told by a foctor in March, that it was okay to let my Grandmother bleed to death, ``because there are worse ways to die.'' Well, we didn't let her. later, we found out at another hospital that she didn't even have the cancer she was diagnosed with. Today, my Grandmother is doing well, and she does not take any medication at 85 years old. I tell you this to encourage you to fight for your mother-in-law. Someone has to.

81 posted on 10/18/2003 1:55:18 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: MarMema
People whining about the elderly living on, etc....

They better not whine about the elderly living on in my presence.

82 posted on 10/18/2003 2:22:53 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: MarMema
I have been trying to get Forced Exit and so far can't find it at any of the big book stores. I did get Smith's Culture of Death last year. And I got War Against the Weak yesterday. I haven't cracked it open yet. Did you post something about that book?
83 posted on 10/18/2003 2:28:47 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: MarMema
Thanks. I am still fighting for Terri.
84 posted on 10/18/2003 2:32:24 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

85 posted on 10/18/2003 2:35:35 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: MarMema
Then I began to wonder about the antichrist....something I know very little about...

I don't know anything about that but I know beyond a doubt that there is great evil in this world and people who will act on it.

86 posted on 10/18/2003 5:57:01 AM PDT by TigersEye (Feed Terri!)
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To: Republic; agrace
Thanks for bringing me up to date on this story. If this is all true, I just can't understand how her so-called husband can get away with such criminal behavior.
87 posted on 10/18/2003 8:45:17 AM PDT by Barnacle (A Human Shield against the onslaught of Leftist tripe.)
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To: TigersEye
I keep thinking about this....if I were the evil one and wanted to make a huge impression which country would I choose - the most powerful currently - and what would I be obsessed with = death, which Christ overcame.
Perhaps a reincarnation attempt at a previous success in allowing evil to rule, for however brief a time.
88 posted on 10/18/2003 11:31:35 AM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: nickcarraway; summer; All
Just wrote this to Jeb:


Governor, I voted for you.

Terri Schiavo is an ominous indication of the direction our society has taken, and the cold attitude we have cultivated concerning the inconvenient among us.

The courts have betrayed justice. They have betrayed the people of Florida, and any of us could be next on the list of liabilities. They have endangered the next accident victim, the next stroke patient, the next baby born with a disability.

We are all potential inconveniences now. The judicial branch has shown that there is no protection to be had among their ranks.

Where is the executive and legislative? Are you hesitant to risk overstepping your authority? The judges don't hesitate.

An innocent woman's life is in danger. Can you at least make a speech? Go on Fox? Tell the nation what's happening?

These are the moments when good governors are separated from great men. Which class will you fall into?

Respectfully,
Thomas Bernardo
Tampa
89 posted on 10/19/2003 4:55:30 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( http://www.fairtax.org **** Forget ANWR. Drill Israel !)
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To: ovrtaxt
PLEASE TAKE ACTIONS - HAVE PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH AND

FLORIDA GOVERNOR JEB BUSH STOP THIS MADNESS. SAVE

TERRI AN INNOCENT DISABLED WOMAN WHO HAS THE WILL TO

LIVE FROM IMO CRIMINAL HUSBAND, JUDGE, AND COURTS.

EXECUTIVE ORDERS CAN STOP THIS NOW. IN THE LAND OF THE

FREE AND THE BRAVE AND THE FIGHT AGAINST TERROR HOW

CAN THEY ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? PLEASE FIGHT FOR

TERRI'S LIFE. SHE NEEDS YOU RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND.

THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO STAND. PLEASE SPREAD THE

WORD FAR AND WIDE RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND IN ANY WAY

YOUR CAN THINK OF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ACTIONS.
REMEMBER IF YOU TAKE ACTION AND TELL OTHERS TO TAKE
ACTION AND THEY DO THE SAME, ETC. WE WILL HAVE A GEOMETRICAL PROGRESSION OF ACTIONS. AGAIN WE BESEECH
THE PRESIDENT AND FLORIDA GOVERNOR TO BRING A HALT TO TERRI'S EXECUTION, MURDER, ETC. BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA.


In a message dated 10/18/2003 11:19:17 PM Eastern

Daylight Time, angleena@iowatelecom.net writes:



Terri did have a swollowing test done several years

ago. From what
I understand, the last time she was tested was when

the lawsuit was
initially started several years ago.



A nurse on the AOL Message board insists that a

swallowing test is REQUIRED BY LAW every 6 months if

you have a feeding tube and I KNEW Terri had not been

getting them,



"Human rights are not a privilege conferred by

government. They are every human being's entitlement

by virtue of his humanity."



- Mother Theresa ("Notable and Quotable," Wall Street

Journal, 2/25/94, p. A14)



http://www.yahoogroups.com/groups/helpterri



http://www.yahoogroups.com/groups/helpterri/chat



Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:09 AM


Kangaroo courts and the Executive Power /

Terri's will to live
10/18/03 -- Jeb's Emails

to FR poster, summer, today, re: Terri. (And, a

Message to Michael Shiavo)

Posted by

pc93 to No More Gore Anymore
On News/Activism

10/19/2003 8:32 AM PDT #204 of 214

To: Lawdoc;

dixiegrrl; supercat; Pegita

Rumours have been

flying aroun the internet and people are getting

things mixed up. This summary on one page seems to be

the most accurate.

"Judge George Greer: Ruler

of the Kangaroo Court set on killing Terri Schiavo.

Impartial? Not in the least! Worked side by side as

county commissioner with Barbara Sheen Todd (county

commissioner) for eight YEARS. Barbara Sheen Todd is

on the board of the hospice. Also, Judge Greer's

fellow judge, Judge John Lenderman is the brother of

Martha Lenderman (also on the hospice board! See the

Hospice Board members! Greer accepted as the basis of

his rulings, the questionable testimony of Michael

Schiavo (and his family) that Terri would wish to be

killed, yet Michael never stated that before he got

about a Million Dollars to care for Terri forever.

Greer also accepted as the basis of his rulings, the

"opinion" of a third doctor who just happens to be the

brother of a close associate of George Felos,

right-to-kill attorney, and very significantly, former

CHAIRMAN of the hospice board! If there ever was a

rigged court, Judge Greer's is it!"





398 posted on 10/19/2003 4:41 AM PDT

by

TaxRelief






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links

Posted by pc93 to

IcelandicConservative
On News/Activism 10/19/2003

8:30 AM PDT #412 of 417

Ok. Sorry. Yes she is

conscious but Jeb needs to do something straightaway

as she has gone without food or water since Oct. 18 at

8AM.

Jeb has the duty to uphold the laws of

Florida. He has been notified that a murder is taking

place in his state on his watch, to a defensless

diabled person. She is being starved and dehydrated

against her will, upon the false testimony that she is

brain dead and wants to die. She is not either.

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Sunday, October 19, 2003

9:00 AM
JEB PLEASE SAVE TERRI

NOW
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schi

ndler.asf

http://www.tomeaker.com/ts/terri-cabl

e.mov



http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download

TERRI HAS BEEN WITHOUT WATER AND NUTRITION

SINCE
OCT. 15TH 8AM. PLEASE BESEECH JEB TO SAVE

HER
AS HE IS THE ONLY ONE LEFT WHO HAS THE

POWER
TO DO SO VIA EXECUTIVE

ORDER.

---


----- Original Message

-----
From: "Tammy Nicholas"


To:


Sent: Sunday, October

19, 2003 3:34 AM
Subject: [helpterri] Fwd:

IMPORTANT UPDATE ON TERRY

And Very Important

Info


>
> --- TERRISHOPE@aol.com

wrote:
> > From: TERRISHOPE@aol.com
> > Date:

Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:26:35 EDT
> > Subject:

IMPORTANT UPDATE ON TERRY And Very
> > Important

Info
> > To: TERRISHOPE@aol.com
> >
> > Hi

Everyone,
> > I have to do this ... this way, I

have (many of

you
> > know this) tried to

email
> > you all one on one and I just can't keep

up, I am
> > losing it here. So it's a
> > MASS

mail now, PLEASE bear with me. Let me try



and
> > tell you all ... all I
> > know

and some other things as well. First of all,
> >

there are many rumors going
> > around and they are

making me mad, but I have got

to
> > ignore

them because I don't
> > have TIME to waste and you

know what, neither do
> > you. So if you want

to
> > listen to me and believe me that''s a good

thing,
> > because you will only get FACTS
> >

from me, no made up BS. This isn't a game. And



if
> > I am half dead here I can
> >

just imagine how all of you are holding up. You



are
> > fighting none stop, many
> > of

you are putting ALL of your time and efforts



into
> > this and you are
> > AMAZING!!

God bless all of you!!
> >
> > Okay now, first

off... Terri as of RIGHT NOW 2 AM
> > Florida time

has been
> > without food, water and any meds (meds

that I am
> > aware of) for 88 hours. Her

tube
> > was removed HOURS AFTER her last feeding,

remember
> > she was only being fed
> > twice a

day. She is still responding and aware!!!
> > She

is still fighting for her
> > blessed life! "She

has a will to live people!!!"
> > We have got to be

her
> > voice, we just have to, it is the RIGHT

thing to

do,
> > we can't give up on her,

this
> > has got to be a sign to us ... how much

more can
> > anyone take, her, her parents
> >

and us??? I don't know, you all tell me. It is
>

> said God will NOT put more
> > on you then you

can bare!!! Do you believe that??
> > I think

Terri's family is
> > our LIVING PROOF!
> >
>

> I have been asked MANY questions about many
> >

different things, a lot I can
> > tell you, some I

can't and some is just simply NOT
> > important,

please trust me. I
> > am in contact with the

family and also someone who
> > is closer to this

daily!!
> > I will NOT let you be in the dark, you

guys made

Jeb
> > Bush act!! He may

not
> > have done anything more then PROMISE the

family

that
> > he would stop this if

at
> > all possible, but WE are making him KEEP his



promise
> > now!!! Trust me, your
> >

voices were hear and they were loud! None of you
>

> are allowed to get a sore
> > throat now... Keep

BOMBARDING Jeb Bush and

everyone
> > I send

you email address's
> > to... and keep the faith.

Something will happen.
> >
> > For those of you

who have asked... Terri is not
> > allowed flowers,

teddy bears,
> > a comfortable, soft warm socks,

she is allowed
> > NOTHING! She never as had
>

> flowers, cards or stuffed animals to brighten

her
> > days ... her loving husband
> > Michael

will NOT allow it. She is not allowed a



wet
> > wash rag on her lips. They
> >

will put Vaseline on mouth. That's it folks.
> >

Please read my emails ... this
> > was stated in

the past, however I realize many of
> > you have

just recently
> > joined this team of Angel's and I

do mean ANGELS

...
> > so to those of you

who are
> > new...WELCOME, God BLESS YOU and I am

sorry we

have
> > too meet like this, all

of
> > us.
> >
> > But do you all realize

that that sweet woman who
> > even now while she

lays
> > dying is bring sooo many good people

together.

She
> > is STILL spreading her

love,
> > the same love she spread to everyone who

knew her
> > before her night of hell.
> > Terri

to my knowledge (someone heard this rumor



and
> > ask me) is NOT chained to
> >

her bed. She may be restrained because she may



have
> > grand Mal seizers because
> >

of the lack of fluid in her system, lets pray

not.
> > Which is a reason they may
> > restrain

her ... but No she is not chained to the
> > bed.

God bless her. :(
> > This is killing many of us

too... Precious ones I
> > KNOW how you feel, all

of your
> > feeling are sooo real, it hurts!
>

>
> > Tomorrow morning at 10 am anyone and everyone

who
> > can get up to that hell
> > hole hospice

house (God please forgive me as I

know
> >

Hospice does do good for
> > many, it has also

helped those I've loved and lost
> > in the past)

it is just THAT
> > place that has me crazy!! But

anyone who can

attend
> > the protest

PLEASE, PLEASE
> > go, even if only for 30 minutes,

but I assure you,
> > if you go up there or

down,
> > whatever the case my be, you'll want to

stay for a
> > while, you just will. But
> >

then it will weaken you and the feelings of
> >

overwhelming sadness will make
> > you want to come

home again, but d not let that

stop
> >

you, PLEASE!
> >
> > As this family is

horrified, grief stricken and
> > slowly dying with

their
> > daughter/sister, they will STILL welcome

you with
> > open arms!!!!! I promise you
> >

that, find them among the crowd or in the camper
>

> that is parked right there
> > across the street

and tell them who you are and

tell
> > them

you are with Lisa and the
> > TERRISHOPE group,

They will know exactly who you
> > are, just not

your name.
> > Sometimes there are 5 supporters

there, sometimes

20
> > sometime 50 and

sometimes
> > as many as 200. It changes

constantly, but the

more
> > that go, the

better. And
> > yes, people stay through the

night, all night we
> > did.
> >
> > There

are people from all over the world there I
> >

swear to you, all the way
> > from Germany! I have

met wonderful people, from
> > Colorado, Ga.

Nebraska,
> > Washington, Calif. ... all over!! I

was sooo
> > touched and I know you will be

too...
> > All walks of life, red, yellow, black

and white,
> > Jesus had all in his site!! I
>

> started everyone singing God bless America,



Amazing
> > Grace, Jesus us loves us,
>

> we talked, we prayed, we cried, we paced, we



yelled
> > out Bush save Terri over
> >

and over to the lying media! You guys just



weren't
> > lucky enough to hear us
> >

because they cut a lot of it out! We yelled out
>

> many things, you just take the
> > steps and get

everyone to join in ... do not be
> > afraid,

someone has to get
> > people there started, but

keep it peaceful! And
> > when someone is

being
> > interviewed try and stay quiet. You can

talk to
> > others about your feelings we all

did,
> > many are full of anger, many are silent

and just
> > pray and that's okay too.
> >
>

> Be advised ... be very ready for someone in the
>

> media to interview you,
> > there's a good chance

of that, be ready to speak

up,
> > be calm

and be clear that
> > Terri is NOT in a coma, that

she is not a

vegetable,
> > that she is

being murdered
> > and you are there because you

want it stopped! Be
> > ready folks! I was
> >

interviewed 5 times!! There is media there local
>

> and National from all over, although
> > it has

really slowed way down, BUT it will pick



back
> > up now that Voters will
> > be

shredding their voters registration cards
> >

tomorrow and they also will have a
> > Sunday

service for Terri. Also there are MANY
> > police

officers there, more
> > now then before and

honestly I found them all to

be
> > very

nice, just do NOT step
> > on the grass that

belongs to the hell hole!!! You
> > will be

confronted!
> >
> > As for Jeb Bush, YES ... he

can and it is his DUTY
> > to stop this, what he

has
> > said is political bull caca! HE CAN SAVE

HER ...

If
> > he doesn't, I'd hate to
>

> be in his shoes. HE NEEDS TO DO THIS and do it
>

> YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!! Believe
> > me, this is

TRUE, he CAN do it, it is in his

power!
> >

STAY ON him and the others
> > whom I email you

about and don't stop fighting

until
> > we

no longer have any
> > reason to fight. Then we

can deal with the rest

of
> > the evil ones

... they will
> > hang!!
> >
> > Okay, I hope

for right now, just for tonight, I

have
> >

answered some questions
> > for all of you. I

really am trying and this is

all
> >

effecting me too... I just
> > want t go into the

closet and hide and cover my
> > ears. I can't

bare to answer
> > my phone, it scares me, Jinks

cell phone rings and
> > we hold our breath

with
> > worry. So please believe me, I am really

doing my
> > very best to keep you
> > informed

at all times about everything, but I



can't
> > tell you things that don't

know
> > and I have learned already not to repeat

what I

hear
> > unless I hear it from

the
> > family, because everyone has a different

view on

how
> > they see AND hear

things.
> >
> >
> > I am so tired dear ones

... just mentally and
> > emotionally drained and

the
> > clock ticks on. It is now 3 AM :( and 89

hours

for
> > Our sister Terri ...

without
> > food and water. :( Please keep

praying hard for
> > her. Let Jeb Bush know
> >

whenever you think about it, send him the hours.
>

> Don't let him or his staff
> > forget through out

the days. We will get through
> > this together.

I will send
> > another update tomorrow and I will

do this

everyday
> > if at all possible,

more often
> > if I can ... THANK YOU ALL... Tammy

you too honey,
> > God loves you ... your
> >

doing a great job on our message board and once
> >

again for anyone who wants to
> > join the message

board that Tammy and I started

(she
> > did

the work, I am too dumb
> > with that stuff and it

couldn't have done it
> > witrhout her) email me

and I can
> > have Tammy get you started.
>

>
> > I hope all of you are in bed and resting.

Boy, we
> > sure made quite a team
> > here

didn't we? Somehow I am not at all



surprised.
> > I PROMISE TO KEEP YOU

ALL
> > POSTED with all the news good or bad as

soon as I
> > know, you'll know, no matter
> >

what it is. May God's Angels keep you safe and
> >

surround you with "Our Saviors
> > Love" always,

Lisa Pray for Terri PS here is the
> > address

for the hell hole
> > hospice hose in

Clearwater...
> > Hospice Woodside is located at

6774 102nd Avenue
> > North in Pinellas Park

and
> > is just west of 66th Street North.
> > A

group of Republican demonstrators are planning



to
> > shred their voter
> >

registration cards and officially change their



party
> > affiliations in order to

call
> > attention to the Governorâ?Ts refusal to

intervene
> > on behalf of Terri
> >

Schindler-Schiavo.
> > IF YOU WANT TO BE REMOVED

FROM THIS MAILING
> > GROUP...PLEASE EMAIL ME AND

TELL
> > ME...I will remove you within 48 hours and

I

promise
> > No uestions asked. Also
>

> if you delete UPDATES or URGENT emails from me,

I
> > will remove your name from
> > the list.

God bless you one and all, Lisa
>

>


REFS:

Refs:



supremecourt@flcourts.org

Substantive

Contacts:

Craig Waters for the Supreme Court,

(850) 414-7641,
watersc@flcourts.org Brenda

Johnson, for the Office of

the State Courts

Administrator, (850) 922-5081,



johnsonb@flcourts.org

Executive Office

of Governor, Legal Team to Jeb (ask

to speak

to the following individuals):

Robert H.

Fernandez (Deputy General Counsel to

Governor)

-> fernanr@eog.state.fl.us

Raquel A. Rodriguez

(General Counsel to Governor) ->



raquel.rodriguez@myflorida.com

Christa

Calamas (Assistant General Counsel to



Governor) -> calamac@eog.state.fl.us



850 / 488-3494 (voice)

850 / 488-9810

(fax)

Jeb Bush, Governor ->



jeb@myflorida.com,jeb.bush@myflorida.com



Voice: (850)488-4441

Voice:

(850)488-7146

Fax: (850)487-0801



Executive Office of the Governor

400

S. Monroe Street

The Capitol



Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0001

Ask to

speak to Lauren O'Conner

Attorney General

Charlie Crist -> ag@oag.state.fl.us

Office of

Attorney General Charlie Crist

State of

Florida

The Capitol PL-01

Tallahassee,

FL 32399-1050

Main office telephone numbers



Voice: (850)414-3990

Fax:

(850)487-2564

Additional added note:

A

criminal investigation needs to be conducted by John



Ashcroft. Please demand of President Bush to

initiate

an investigation so that Mr. Ashcroft

can get

involved:

President George W.

Bush

c/o The White House

1600

Pennsylvania Ave.

N.W. Washington, D.C. 20500



Voice: (202)456-1111

Switchboard:

(202)456-1414

Fax: 1 202 456 2883



TTY/TDD Comments: 202-456-6213



Visitors Office: 202-456-2121

Although

you'll get an automated response, here are

the

e-mails for GW and Cheney:

President George W.

Bush: president@whitehouse.gov

Vice President

Richard Cheney:

vice.president@whitehouse.gov



Fax: 1 202 456 2710

United States

Attorney General John Ashcroft:



(AskDOJ@usdoj.gov)

Fax:202/514-1009



NOTE: Free faxing for entire Washington D.C.

area:

www.tpc.int/sendfax.html

Format

of number to input is:
(ex. Pres. U.S. [POTUS]) ->

1 202 456 2461
(ex. Ashcroft) -> 1 202 514 1009


Vice Pres. Dick Cheney 1 202 456 2710

U.S.

Senator John W Warner
1 202 224 6295

U.S.

Senator Bob Graham
1 202 224 2237

House

Representative Corrine Brown
1 202 225 2256



House Representative Henry Hyde
1 202 225

1166

etc.

U.S. Senate:



http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_informat

ion/senators_cfm.cfm
Saturday, October 18,

2003 5:29 PM
People needed at Hospice

Woodside, and also in Wash. DC. at the Whitehouse at

3PM
Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:09 AM
Kangaroo courts and the Executive Power / Terri's will to live
10/18/03 -- Jeb's Emails to FR poster, summer, today, re: Terri. (And, a Message to Michael Shiavo)

Posted by pc93 to No More Gore Anymore
On News/Activism 10/19/2003 8:32 AM PDT #204 of 214

To: Lawdoc; dixiegrrl; supercat; Pegita

Rumours have been flying aroun the internet and people are getting things mixed up. This summary on one page seems to be the most accurate.

"Judge George Greer: Ruler of the Kangaroo Court set on killing Terri Schiavo. Impartial? Not in the least! Worked side by side as county commissioner with Barbara Sheen Todd (county commissioner) for eight YEARS. Barbara Sheen Todd is on the board of the hospice. Also, Judge Greer's fellow judge, Judge John Lenderman is the brother of Martha Lenderman (also on the hospice board! See the Hospice Board members! Greer accepted as the basis of his rulings, the questionable testimony of Michael Schiavo (and his family) that Terri would wish to be killed, yet Michael never stated that before he got about a Million Dollars to care for Terri forever. Greer also accepted as the basis of his rulings, the "opinion" of a third doctor who just happens to be the brother of a close associate of George Felos, right-to-kill attorney, and very significantly, former CHAIRMAN of the hospice board! If there ever was a rigged court, Judge Greer's is it!"



398 posted on 10/19/2003 4:41 AM PDT by TaxRelief



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Posted by pc93 to IcelandicConservative
On News/Activism 10/19/2003 8:30 AM PDT #412 of 417

Ok. Sorry. Yes she is conscious but Jeb needs to do something straightaway as she has gone without food or water since Oct. 18 at 8AM.

Jeb has the duty to uphold the laws of Florida. He has been notified that a murder is taking place in his state on his watch, to a defensless diabled person. She is being starved and dehydrated against her will, upon the false testimony that she is brain dead and wants to die. She is not either.
Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:00 AM
JEB PLEASE SAVE TERRI NOW
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler.asf

http://www.tomeaker.com/ts/terri-cable.mov

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download

TERRI HAS BEEN WITHOUT WATER AND NUTRITION SINCE
OCT. 15TH 8AM. PLEASE BESEECH JEB TO SAVE HER
AS HE IS THE ONLY ONE LEFT WHO HAS THE POWER
TO DO SO VIA EXECUTIVE ORDER.

---


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tammy Nicholas"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:34 AM
Subject: [helpterri] Fwd: IMPORTANT UPDATE ON TERRY

And Very Important Info


>
> --- TERRISHOPE@aol.com wrote:
> > From: TERRISHOPE@aol.com
> > Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:26:35 EDT
> > Subject: IMPORTANT UPDATE ON TERRY And Very
> > Important Info
> > To: TERRISHOPE@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > I have to do this ... this way, I have (many of

you
> > know this) tried to email
> > you all one on one and I just can't keep up, I am
> > losing it here. So it's a
> > MASS mail now, PLEASE bear with me. Let me try

and
> > tell you all ... all I
> > know and some other things as well. First of all,
> > there are many rumors going
> > around and they are making me mad, but I have got

to
> > ignore them because I don't
> > have TIME to waste and you know what, neither do
> > you. So if you want to
> > listen to me and believe me that''s a good thing,
> > because you will only get FACTS
> > from me, no made up BS. This isn't a game. And

if
> > I am half dead here I can
> > just imagine how all of you are holding up. You

are
> > fighting none stop, many
> > of you are putting ALL of your time and efforts

into
> > this and you are
> > AMAZING!! God bless all of you!!
> >
> > Okay now, first off... Terri as of RIGHT NOW 2 AM
> > Florida time has been
> > without food, water and any meds (meds that I am
> > aware of) for 88 hours. Her tube
> > was removed HOURS AFTER her last feeding, remember
> > she was only being fed
> > twice a day. She is still responding and aware!!!
> > She is still fighting for her
> > blessed life! "She has a will to live people!!!"
> > We have got to be her
> > voice, we just have to, it is the RIGHT thing to

do,
> > we can't give up on her, this
> > has got to be a sign to us ... how much more can
> > anyone take, her, her parents
> > and us??? I don't know, you all tell me. It is
> > said God will NOT put more
> > on you then you can bare!!! Do you believe that??
> > I think Terri's family is
> > our LIVING PROOF!
> >
> > I have been asked MANY questions about many
> > different things, a lot I can
> > tell you, some I can't and some is just simply NOT
> > important, please trust me. I
> > am in contact with the family and also someone who
> > is closer to this daily!!
> > I will NOT let you be in the dark, you guys made

Jeb
> > Bush act!! He may not
> > have done anything more then PROMISE the family

that
> > he would stop this if at
> > all possible, but WE are making him KEEP his

promise
> > now!!! Trust me, your
> > voices were hear and they were loud! None of you
> > are allowed to get a sore
> > throat now... Keep BOMBARDING Jeb Bush and

everyone
> > I send you email address's
> > to... and keep the faith. Something will happen.
> >
> > For those of you who have asked... Terri is not
> > allowed flowers, teddy bears,
> > a comfortable, soft warm socks, she is allowed
> > NOTHING! She never as had
> > flowers, cards or stuffed animals to brighten her
> > days ... her loving husband
> > Michael will NOT allow it. She is not allowed a

wet
> > wash rag on her lips. They
> > will put Vaseline on mouth. That's it folks.
> > Please read my emails ... this
> > was stated in the past, however I realize many of
> > you have just recently
> > joined this team of Angel's and I do mean ANGELS

...
> > so to those of you who are
> > new...WELCOME, God BLESS YOU and I am sorry we

have
> > too meet like this, all of
> > us.
> >
> > But do you all realize that that sweet woman who
> > even now while she lays
> > dying is bring sooo many good people together.

She
> > is STILL spreading her love,
> > the same love she spread to everyone who knew her
> > before her night of hell.
> > Terri to my knowledge (someone heard this rumor

and
> > ask me) is NOT chained to
> > her bed. She may be restrained because she may

have
> > grand Mal seizers because
> > of the lack of fluid in her system, lets pray not.
> > Which is a reason they may
> > restrain her ... but No she is not chained to the
> > bed. God bless her. :(
> > This is killing many of us too... Precious ones I
> > KNOW how you feel, all of your
> > feeling are sooo real, it hurts!
> >
> > Tomorrow morning at 10 am anyone and everyone who
> > can get up to that hell
> > hole hospice house (God please forgive me as I

know
> > Hospice does do good for
> > many, it has also helped those I've loved and lost
> > in the past) it is just THAT
> > place that has me crazy!! But anyone who can

attend
> > the protest PLEASE, PLEASE
> > go, even if only for 30 minutes, but I assure you,
> > if you go up there or down,
> > whatever the case my be, you'll want to stay for a
> > while, you just will. But
> > then it will weaken you and the feelings of
> > overwhelming sadness will make
> > you want to come home again, but d not let that

stop
> > you, PLEASE!
> >
> > As this family is horrified, grief stricken and
> > slowly dying with their
> > daughter/sister, they will STILL welcome you with
> > open arms!!!!! I promise you
> > that, find them among the crowd or in the camper
> > that is parked right there
> > across the street and tell them who you are and

tell
> > them you are with Lisa and the
> > TERRISHOPE group, They will know exactly who you
> > are, just not your name.
> > Sometimes there are 5 supporters there, sometimes

20
> > sometime 50 and sometimes
> > as many as 200. It changes constantly, but the

more
> > that go, the better. And
> > yes, people stay through the night, all night we
> > did.
> >
> > There are people from all over the world there I
> > swear to you, all the way
> > from Germany! I have met wonderful people, from
> > Colorado, Ga. Nebraska,
> > Washington, Calif. ... all over!! I was sooo
> > touched and I know you will be too...
> > All walks of life, red, yellow, black and white,
> > Jesus had all in his site!! I
> > started everyone singing God bless America,

Amazing
> > Grace, Jesus us loves us,
> > we talked, we prayed, we cried, we paced, we

yelled
> > out Bush save Terri over
> > and over to the lying media! You guys just

weren't
> > lucky enough to hear us
> > because they cut a lot of it out! We yelled out
> > many things, you just take the
> > steps and get everyone to join in ... do not be
> > afraid, someone has to get
> > people there started, but keep it peaceful! And
> > when someone is being
> > interviewed try and stay quiet. You can talk to
> > others about your feelings we all did,
> > many are full of anger, many are silent and just
> > pray and that's okay too.
> >
> > Be advised ... be very ready for someone in the
> > media to interview you,
> > there's a good chance of that, be ready to speak

up,
> > be calm and be clear that
> > Terri is NOT in a coma, that she is not a

vegetable,
> > that she is being murdered
> > and you are there because you want it stopped! Be
> > ready folks! I was
> > interviewed 5 times!! There is media there local
> > and National from all over, although
> > it has really slowed way down, BUT it will pick

back
> > up now that Voters will
> > be shredding their voters registration cards
> > tomorrow and they also will have a
> > Sunday service for Terri. Also there are MANY
> > police officers there, more
> > now then before and honestly I found them all to

be
> > very nice, just do NOT step
> > on the grass that belongs to the hell hole!!! You
> > will be confronted!
> >
> > As for Jeb Bush, YES ... he can and it is his DUTY
> > to stop this, what he has
> > said is political bull caca! HE CAN SAVE HER ...

If
> > he doesn't, I'd hate to
> > be in his shoes. HE NEEDS TO DO THIS and do it
> > YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!! Believe
> > me, this is TRUE, he CAN do it, it is in his

power!
> > STAY ON him and the others
> > whom I email you about and don't stop fighting

until
> > we no longer have any
> > reason to fight. Then we can deal with the rest

of
> > the evil ones ... they will
> > hang!!
> >
> > Okay, I hope for right now, just for tonight, I

have
> > answered some questions
> > for all of you. I really am trying and this is

all
> > effecting me too... I just
> > want t go into the closet and hide and cover my
> > ears. I can't bare to answer
> > my phone, it scares me, Jinks cell phone rings and
> > we hold our breath with
> > worry. So please believe me, I am really doing my
> > very best to keep you
> > informed at all times about everything, but I

can't
> > tell you things that don't know
> > and I have learned already not to repeat what I

hear
> > unless I hear it from the
> > family, because everyone has a different view on

how
> > they see AND hear things.
> >
> >
> > I am so tired dear ones ... just mentally and
> > emotionally drained and the
> > clock ticks on. It is now 3 AM :( and 89 hours

for
> > Our sister Terri ... without
> > food and water. :( Please keep praying hard for
> > her. Let Jeb Bush know
> > whenever you think about it, send him the hours.
> > Don't let him or his staff
> > forget through out the days. We will get through
> > this together. I will send
> > another update tomorrow and I will do this

everyday
> > if at all possible, more often
> > if I can ... THANK YOU ALL... Tammy you too honey,
> > God loves you ... your
> > doing a great job on our message board and once
> > again for anyone who wants to
> > join the message board that Tammy and I started

(she
> > did the work, I am too dumb
> > with that stuff and it couldn't have done it
> > witrhout her) email me and I can
> > have Tammy get you started.
> >
> > I hope all of you are in bed and resting. Boy, we
> > sure made quite a team
> > here didn't we? Somehow I am not at all

surprised.
> > I PROMISE TO KEEP YOU ALL
> > POSTED with all the news good or bad as soon as I
> > know, you'll know, no matter
> > what it is. May God's Angels keep you safe and
> > surround you with "Our Saviors
> > Love" always, Lisa Pray for Terri PS here is the
> > address for the hell hole
> > hospice hose in Clearwater...
> > Hospice Woodside is located at 6774 102nd Avenue
> > North in Pinellas Park and
> > is just west of 66th Street North.
> > A group of Republican demonstrators are planning

to
> > shred their voter
> > registration cards and officially change their

party
> > affiliations in order to call
> > attention to the Governorâ?Ts refusal to intervene
> > on behalf of Terri
> > Schindler-Schiavo.
> > IF YOU WANT TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS MAILING
> > GROUP...PLEASE EMAIL ME AND TELL
> > ME...I will remove you within 48 hours and I

promise
> > No uestions asked. Also
> > if you delete UPDATES or URGENT emails from me, I
> > will remove your name from
> > the list. God bless you one and all, Lisa
> >


REFS:

Refs:

supremecourt@flcourts.org

Substantive Contacts:

Craig Waters for the Supreme Court, (850) 414-7641,
watersc@flcourts.org Brenda Johnson, for the Office of

the State Courts Administrator, (850) 922-5081,

johnsonb@flcourts.org

Executive Office of Governor, Legal Team to Jeb (ask

to speak to the following individuals):

Robert H. Fernandez (Deputy General Counsel to

Governor) -> fernanr@eog.state.fl.us

Raquel A. Rodriguez (General Counsel to Governor) ->

raquel.rodriguez@myflorida.com

Christa Calamas (Assistant General Counsel to

Governor) -> calamac@eog.state.fl.us

850 / 488-3494 (voice)

850 / 488-9810 (fax)

Jeb Bush, Governor ->

jeb@myflorida.com,jeb.bush@myflorida.com

Voice: (850)488-4441

Voice: (850)488-7146

Fax: (850)487-0801

Executive Office of the Governor

400 S. Monroe Street

The Capitol

Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0001

Ask to speak to Lauren O'Conner

Attorney General Charlie Crist -> ag@oag.state.fl.us

Office of Attorney General Charlie Crist

State of Florida

The Capitol PL-01

Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050

Main office telephone numbers

Voice: (850)414-3990

Fax: (850)487-2564

Additional added note:

A criminal investigation needs to be conducted by John

Ashcroft. Please demand of President Bush to initiate

an investigation so that Mr. Ashcroft can get

involved:

President George W. Bush

c/o The White House

1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

N.W. Washington, D.C. 20500

Voice: (202)456-1111

Switchboard: (202)456-1414

Fax: 1 202 456 2883

TTY/TDD Comments: 202-456-6213

Visitors Office: 202-456-2121

Although you'll get an automated response, here are

the e-mails for GW and Cheney:

President George W. Bush: president@whitehouse.gov

Vice President Richard Cheney:

vice.president@whitehouse.gov

Fax: 1 202 456 2710

United States Attorney General John Ashcroft:

(AskDOJ@usdoj.gov)

Fax:202/514-1009

NOTE: Free faxing for entire Washington D.C. area:

www.tpc.int/sendfax.html

Format of number to input is:
(ex. Pres. U.S. [POTUS]) -> 1 202 456 2461
(ex. Ashcroft) -> 1 202 514 1009
Vice Pres. Dick Cheney 1 202 456 2710

U.S. Senator John W Warner
1 202 224 6295

U.S. Senator Bob Graham
1 202 224 2237

House Representative Corrine Brown
1 202 225 2256

House Representative Henry Hyde
1 202 225 1166

etc.

U.S. Senate:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/sena

tors_cfm.cfm

90 posted on 10/19/2003 10:32:18 AM PDT by pc93 (A good site to visit is http://www.terrisfight.org . Oct. 15th 2pm death order must be stopped)
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To: christie
Christie, I'm happy to hear that your mother-in-law is doing much better. Prayers for her and your family.

When my father had his stroke many years ago, his doctor sent him to a special rehabilatative hospital in Milwaukee. He was given physical therapy, speech therapy and occupational thereapy. After 3 months he was able to feed himself, dress himself, speak coherently (although with difficulty) and even walk with a cane.

If you think any of these therapies would be benificial, perhaps you could have a doctor whom you trust examine her. He could recommend a course of treatment.

91 posted on 10/21/2003 5:11:50 AM PDT by jellybean ( :))
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To: Barnacle
If this is all true, I just can't understand how her so-called husband can get away with such criminal behavior.

In this case, it seems that as 'husband' he had legal control, and the parents had no idea until later that Terri's condition may have been due to something other than her bulimia. (Like attempted strangulation during a marital argument)

Remember this. Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Juanita Broddick. OJ Simpson.

These were very public cases, yet someone seems to have gotten away with quite a bit in each.

92 posted on 10/22/2003 9:50:37 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

BTTT


93 posted on 03/30/2005 3:42:32 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

bttt


94 posted on 04/01/2005 1:23:18 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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