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Memo May Aid Leak Probe
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ^ | October 17, 2003 | DAVID S. CLOUD

Posted on 10/17/2003 6:22:58 AM PDT by OESY

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:50:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON -- An internal government memo addresses some of the mysteries at the center of the White House leak investigation and could help investigators in the search for who disclosed the identity of a Central Intelligence Agency operative, according to two people familiar with the memo.


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ashcroft; cheney; cia; document; intelligence; iraq; justice; leak; niger; plame; wilson
Advances the story without clarifying the "mystery."
1 posted on 10/17/2003 6:22:59 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY
Mr. Wilson has told reporters repeatedly that his wife wasn't involved in his selection, and accused the White House of leaking his wife's name to punish him by ending her career as a clandestine operative.

I've been asking for some time now how the White House revealing her identity punished Wilson, as he alleges.

What, loss of a second paycheck?

2 posted on 10/17/2003 6:36:34 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: OESY
Mr. Wilson has told reporters repeatedly that his wife wasn't involved in his selection, and accused the White House of leaking his wife's name to punish him by ending her career as a clandestine operative. He said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal Thursday that he is unaware of any role played by his wife.

Wilson is a lying sack, and a nutcase as well. What's really funny is the allegation that the White House (and Karl Rove specifically was his first charge) leaked her name to end her career. Ahem, Mr. Wilson? They could have just fired her.

And since when do agents undercover lack cover? I mean, if you're covert, you need to have a cover id. Where was hers? Do we have spies running around as spies?

3 posted on 10/17/2003 6:38:01 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Yo-Yo
Also, why should she be allowed to be part of a panel that was going to verify findings by her husband? Sounds like a conflict of interest, or at least like a good situation for some clouded judgement on her part...
4 posted on 10/17/2003 6:40:53 AM PDT by HenryLeeII
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To: Mr. Bird
And since when do agents undercover lack cover? I mean, if you're covert, you need to have a cover id. Where was hers? Do we have spies running around as spies?

Exactly! Even Hitllary maintains the charade of being an American citizen and a senator to boot...

5 posted on 10/17/2003 6:42:15 AM PDT by HenryLeeII
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To: OESY
Advances the story while repeating wrong information.

The woman never was an operations officer, or officer of any kind. She was and remains an analyst.

Analysts are sometimes on covert status so that they can talk to people or companies or governments without revealing publicly the agencies interest in wherever the analyst has gone.
6 posted on 10/17/2003 6:43:05 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: OESY
"Unfortunately", said Wilson, "If she told me, she would have to kill me."
7 posted on 10/17/2003 6:45:51 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: OESY
bump
8 posted on 10/17/2003 6:49:46 AM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (http://www.strangesolutions.com)
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To: OESY
He said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal Thursday that he is unaware of any role played by his wife. "My wife knows of my particular experience with Niger. If there was such a meeting, I have no knowledge of it. It would be perfectly appropriate, though." He said that he hasn't asked his wife if she did suggest him for the mission because of the restrictions imposed by her job at the CIA.

LOL, some sucker is paying this know-nothing to write a book!

9 posted on 10/17/2003 6:50:10 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: OESY
Interesting. In a nutshell, Ms. Plume did mention her husband as one possible person to investigate claims about Iraq's purchase of yellow cake. The administration was following up on these rumors and wanted a complete report. We had three people who went to Niger to investigate the claim; all were dubious about the claims. Yet British and Italian intelligence indicated otherwise; later an Italian journalist provided forged evidence that the transfer had taken place.

My personal opinion here is that there must be a pretty good reason for President Bush and VP Cheney to believe that Britain and Italy had better intelligence on this issue than the CIA. This article doesn't mention the French, but they figure into the equation here. I believe the British intelligence was based on the French who has had long ties to Niger. I have to wonder if Bush and Cheney do not fully trust the CIA because of Clintom hold-overs and who knows what else that we don't know?

10 posted on 10/17/2003 6:50:25 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Mr. Bird
We don't usually station covert spies in Virgina, anyway.
11 posted on 10/17/2003 6:55:14 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: OESY
Ms. Plame, a member of the agency's clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues, suggested at the meeting that her husband, Africa expert and former U.S. diplomat Joseph Wilson, could be sent to Niger to investigate the reports, according to current and former government officials familiar with the meeting at the CIA's Virginia headquarters. Soon after, midlevel CIA officials decided to send him, say intelligence officials.

"Former" government officials leaking about the leak. Hmmmmmm

By then Mr. Bush had already given his January State of the Union speech describing reports that Iraq had sought uranium in Africa.

Citing British intelligence. I see in the timeline that follows this column that is noted, but it certainly should have also been included above.

12 posted on 10/17/2003 6:56:52 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: OESY
The gist of the story, which should have been the leadoff paragraph:

Ms. Plame, a member of the agency's clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues, suggested at the meeting that her husband, Africa expert and former U.S. diplomat Joseph Wilson, could be sent to Niger to investigate the reports

Intelligence officials haven't denied Ms. Plame was involved in the decision to send Mr. Wilson, but they have said she was not "responsible" for the decision.

Mr. Wilson has told reporters repeatedly that his wife wasn't involved in his selection, and accused the White House of leaking his wife's name to punish him by ending her career as a clandestine operative.

Joe Wilson is a liar. We knew that, of course, but this is merely confirmation of the fact.

And Valerie Plame seems to have set herself up for an investigation as well.

And, finally, I think the context of how Novak learned of her involvement becomes rather obvious. Novak asks "why in hell did they ask Joe Wilson to do this?" Source replies, cynically and sarcastically, "His wife suggested it! Can you believe that?"

13 posted on 10/17/2003 6:57:12 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
There is also the subtle blurring of "seeking to purchase" and "purchased" uranium. Huge difference. And the answer to those questions are "yes" and "probably not."
14 posted on 10/17/2003 7:06:19 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: HenryLeeII
Exactly! Even Hitllary maintains the charade of being an American citizen and a senator to boot...

-watch for her to pose as a Yankee fan in the next few days! LOL

;-)

15 posted on 10/17/2003 7:15:11 AM PDT by tioga (a smiling Yankee fan)
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To: jimtorr
The woman never was an operations officer, or officer of any kind. She was and remains an analyst.

You must be one of those knowledgeable about this situation because you speak with authority on the subject. Why is it you're posting on this internet site?

16 posted on 10/17/2003 7:18:26 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: OESY
Mr. Wilson said he believes the CIA decision to send him to Niger was prompted by Mr. Cheney's inquiries. CIA Director George Tenet said last summer that decision was taken at the agency's own initiative.

Sounds to me like Novak was right. The timeline actually incriminates Wilson himself as the leaker and the memo points to his wife as the instigator just as Novak said. However, they accomplished their goals of dragging down the Bush administration, making the President look bad, and getting a lot of attention that will help sell the pompous Wilson's book.

Now I just hope there's some kind of punishment for "Ms. Plame" (code name: "Joe Wilson's Wife") because of the conflict of interest issue. She used her position, covert or not, to send her husband on a tea-sipping mission at the government's expense. If she were indeed a CIA professional, she would have "recused" herself from this meeting.

Who knows? Maybe both of them are in on uranium sales to terrorist countries and their jobs have allowed them to keep their dealings from being discovered.

17 posted on 10/17/2003 7:20:38 AM PDT by arasina
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To: Reb Raider; seamole; Grampa Dave; Peach; windchime; Miss Marple
Ping!
18 posted on 10/17/2003 7:24:52 AM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Ben Hecks
Now, WHO leaked this memo?

I notice the absence of Foley's name, who was Plame's boss and who has since resigned.

19 posted on 10/17/2003 7:39:18 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: twigs
It is also noteworthy that Joe Wilson is NOT a weapons expert and probably wouldn't have recognized yellowcake uranium if he fell over it. His credentials to conduct such an investigation have already been raised and, like this dust-up, lead back to his covert wife.

Methinks that this family, like the Clintons, are guilty of self-aggrandizement.
20 posted on 10/17/2003 7:41:59 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: MJY1288
Ping!
21 posted on 10/17/2003 7:42:00 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: DustyMoment
No, he's not a weapons expert. Supposedly the reason he was sent is because he knew appropriate people in the administration that would have to be involved in any deals because of his former work there. I do find it interesting that other Americans apparently came to the same conclusion as he did, if reports are to be believed. But I have not heard anything to the contrary. But European intelligence came to different conclusions, the Italian forgery notwithstanding. I would like to know why. It's just one more reason why I think there's more here than we know.
22 posted on 10/17/2003 7:52:20 AM PDT by twigs
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To: OESY; MJY1288; Miss Marple
This guy must be one of Al Hunt's hand picked and trained writers at the WSJ. He does a good job at first and then repeats the rat lines.

The rat behind this, and it will come out was Plame's boss at the CIA, Foley. Foley "decided" to retire/resign in August about the time the real investigations started.
23 posted on 10/17/2003 7:58:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Fight Liberalism 24/7/365 for only 17 cents / day. Donate $5 monthly to Free Republic.)
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To: OESY
Mr. Wilson did report that one former Niger official told him he had been urged by an unidentified businessman to meet with an Iraqi trade delegation in June 1999. The former official interpreted that overture as an invitation to discuss uranium sales.

That sounds like conformation of the the "16 words" depending on the definition of "recent" used and reported by British intelligence.

24 posted on 10/17/2003 8:10:55 AM PDT by StriperSniper (All this, of course, is simply pious fudge. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: OESY
Since Wilson made no attempt to talk to certain relevant parties in Niger, why was his verbal report apparently taken at face value? No intelligence professional should have relied on it.

It is unclear with whom Wilson met. No Nigerien officials have admitted to attending those meetings. El Hadj Habibou Allele, who runs COMINAK, the major uranium-mining concern, stated he was never contacted. For their part, the staff at the Gawaeye Hotel thought Wilson was a nice guy. He spent most of his time at the hotel and began to take meetings near the pool. (NRO OCT.1 The Honorable Mr. Wilson)


The mainstream media is simply following their new darling and making him an honorary executive editor, reporting whatever he tells them to report.

Joe Wilson says it and it becomes the complete story word for word -- or should I say lie for lie? Wilson did a thorough investigation in Niger. Lie. Karl Rove ordered his wife outed. Lie. Six reporters shopped before Novak. Lie. Nobody knew his wife was CIA. Lie.
But then there's...Valerie "Security Risk" Plame bragging to Joe "Security Risk" Wilson on their first date that she was a CIA agent working undercover posing as an energy analyst. That's a rare gem of truth the media forgot to widely report, let alone investigate further. The only two people we know so far that have recklessly revealed what they knew to be sensitive CIA business are Joe and Valerie.

Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson both happened to alight in Washington, their jet-set schedules intersecting, and spotted each other across a cocktail party filled with foreigners. "I saw this striking blonde," he recalled, still sounding smitten six years later. At first she said she was an energy analyst, but confided sometime around the first kiss that she was in the C.I.A. "I had a security clearance," grinned Mr. Wilson, then a political adviser to the commander of U.S. forces in Europe.

25 posted on 10/17/2003 8:12:06 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Miss Marple
I notice the absence of Foley's name, who was Plame's boss and who has since resigned.

Maybe he is the "and former government officials familiar with the meeting at the CIA's Virginia headquarters. " highlighted in cyncooper's Post#12?

26 posted on 10/17/2003 8:15:16 AM PDT by StriperSniper (All this, of course, is simply pious fudge. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: StriperSniper
Could be. And if so, perhaps HE is the source of the information.
27 posted on 10/17/2003 8:22:32 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple; All
Corzine just finished, and now Schumer now are pounding this trying to get an independent commission attatched to the supplimental bill.
28 posted on 10/17/2003 8:25:57 AM PDT by StriperSniper (All this, of course, is simply pious fudge. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: StriperSniper
Excuse the extra "now"(either one). ;-)
29 posted on 10/17/2003 8:27:24 AM PDT by StriperSniper (All this, of course, is simply pious fudge. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: StriperSniper
Stevens now pounding it all as political, And YELLING!
30 posted on 10/17/2003 8:29:07 AM PDT by StriperSniper (All this, of course, is simply pious fudge. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Ben Hecks
Thanks for the ping Ben! I have been without my laptop and missed a few days of the latest. I heard Terry M. saying an ad starts today about this issue--I don't know if it will be nationwide or just select markets. He was on Cspan and lied several times regarding the Wilson/Plame affair. One thing was he said 'we know for sure it is two high ranking officials in the White House'. He also said it was shopped around with 6 reporters prior to Novak's story.

Right now Biden is sucking any air out of the Senate chamber talking about how smart he is and he doesn't salute to Bremer because he knows more than him. Hillary did her monotone screech earlier explaining why we need another investigation of intelligence gathering. She looked and sounded like a major hag.

What one theme runs true no matter what dem we are talking about? They lie with abandon. I know this and still it takes my breath away that they make up stuff from whole cloth. The media and other dems repeat the lies until many people believe them and no matter if it is corrected in the future, people still believe the original fairytale.
31 posted on 10/17/2003 10:13:30 AM PDT by Reb Raider
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To: Miss Marple
"I notice the absence of Foley's name"

Yes, I would assume that the WSJ is aware of that information. The reference to "U.S. intelligence officials" might also refer to individuals other than CIA personnel - one of the prominent players in all of this seems to be Greg Thielmann who was assigned to the State Dept. Bureau of Intelligence and Research. He apparently retired at some point after this meeting was held.
32 posted on 10/17/2003 10:13:57 AM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Ben Hecks
Thank you for the ping!
33 posted on 10/18/2003 11:14:52 PM PDT by windchime
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To: justshutupandtakeit; Wolfstar; dirtboy; Shermy; Grampa Dave
There is also the subtle blurring of "seeking to purchase" and "purchased" uranium. Huge difference. And the answer to those questions are "yes" and "probably not."

And Bush said "sought", not "bought".

It now comes out that even the CIA's summary of Wilson's own report inferentially corroborates and supports Bush's statement:

According to an official CIA summary of Mr. Wilson's report, released last summer, Mr. Wilson did report that one former Niger official told him he had been urged by an unidentified businessman to meet with an Iraqi trade delegation in June 1999. The former official interpreted that overture as an invitation to discuss uranium sales.

The book contract and movie deal for Joe and Valerie appear to be receding into the distance as we speak...

34 posted on 10/18/2003 11:43:05 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Ben Hecks
I saw some comments by Thielmann and found him to be a perfect U.N.is the way to hide behind my mamma skirt,anti war,pompous flake. The media keeps giving these sour pusses unchallenged access to the public.

I can't imagine all the dems don't know their Bush lied,Rove lied,Cheney lied,Rumsfield lied,war for oil theory,etc. talk is hurting our soldiers by letting Arab zealots repeat the charges gleefully. They have decided if putting the soldiers in more danger is a consequence of what it takes to bring down the president it is worth it. They all pander to the worst of human nature in their party and are rewarded by those people for doing so.

Ben, as usual you picked up on a great piece to the Wilson puzzle we have all been trying to decipher. I was so overloaded with the barage of negative media coverage I didn't put Thielmann's leaving his post together with this story. It just keeps getting more interesting...
35 posted on 10/19/2003 5:14:01 AM PDT by Reb Raider
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To: OESY
Ms. Plame, a member of the agency's clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues, suggested at the meeting that her husband, Africa expert and former U.S. diplomat Joseph Wilson, could be sent to Niger to investigate the reports, according to current and former government officials familiar with the meeting at the CIA's Virginia headquarters. Soon after, midlevel CIA officials decided to send him, say intelligence officials.

In other words, Novak's source was essentially correct.

36 posted on 10/19/2003 5:34:55 AM PDT by The Iguana
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To: The Iguana
I thought that Wilson's been saying all along that wifey never suggested him for the job.
37 posted on 10/19/2003 5:36:48 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: okie01; piasa; MJY1288
Good find.

This whole thing, the sequel to Yellowcake 1 Scam is apparently failing big time. Only a few rat political cartoonists are even pushing this bs anymore.
38 posted on 10/19/2003 7:59:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Get a free FR coffee mug! Donate $10 monthly to Free Republic or 34 cents/day!)
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To: okie01
Since the larger companies of the publishing industry seem to exist primarily as a funding arm for the RATS, I still expect a book to come from this crock of lies.

Profitability is of no concern to them it appears.
39 posted on 10/20/2003 8:29:25 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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