Stone Of Destiny
Posted on 10/17/2003 8:53:28 PM PDT by blam
It's now back in Scotland where it belongs.
You're correct...do you know anything else about it?
There are many websites with histories of the Stone of Scone, which is much more tangled then this article makes out. Here's one:
http://www.tartans.com/articles/stoneofscone.html
Also note that the current occupant of the English throne is a woman, as have been several of her predecessors.
...for God promised through Jeremiah (33: 17) that "David shall never lack a man to sit upon the throne of the House of Israel."
Stone Of Destiny
Follow the link in post #7 and you'll see that it is, at the least, very old mystical nonsense. Due in part to the tin mines of Britain there was more commerce between it and the Mediterranean lands then you might imagine.
Another fine story is that Jesus Christ traveled to Britain before he took up his recorded ministry in Israel. William Blake referenced that legend in a poem complaining about the ugly factories springing up at the beginning of the industrial age. (For reasons I have never understood it became the school hymn of my high school in Colorado).
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?
Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.
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However, a Middle Eastern or Meditteranean racial element in the British Isles and extensive pre-Roman conntact between the two regions do not prove that the "Stone of Destiny" had anything to do with King David. Nor does it prove that the Celtic and Germanic peoples that have inhabited the British Isles for 1,500 to 2,500 years have substantial genetic or other ties to Israel or other parts of the Middle East. Most DNA measurements of the English people indicate that they are very genetically similar to the current inhabitants of northwest Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark, the areas from which the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes migrated from in the 5th and 6th Centuries AD. There are also considerable genetic similarities between the English and the three Celtic nations that occupy the remainder of the British Isles. There are also similarities to the Norwegians, the Belgians, and the northern French. On the other hand, there are far greater genetic differences between the English and either the Jews (whether Ashkenazic or Sephardic) or other Middle Eastern peoples. There are, OTOH, strong genetic similarities between the Jews and the Palestinians, Syrians, and the northern Iraqis, notably Kurds and Assyrians, as strong as those among the northwest Europeans. In other words, DNA measurement comport with mainstream history and not Anglo-Israelite theories. The linguistic patterns also support the mainstream histoic theory of strong ties among most European nations and considerable differences between them and the inhabitants of the Middle East, ancient or modern.
Anglo-Israelism, that is, the theory that the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel somehow became the Germanic and Celtic peoples of northwest Europe, is of relatively recent origin, no older than the 18th Century. There is no Biblical support for this theory. Rather, mainstream Christian theology holds that the European peoples are decended from Japheth, while the Semitic peoples are descended from Shem. Indeed, even the "Ten Lost Tribes" theory is really but a figment. The Babylonian captivity broke up the tribal governments of the Israel of the judges and kings. However, there is evidence in the Epistles of Paul that people who were members of the ten tribes still identified with those tribes in the 1st Century AD. Although medieval kings and nobility attempted to embellish their heritage by claiming ties to King David (an ancestor of Jesus Christ), there is no more evidence for this than for the assertions of the Roman or Aztec emperors or Greek kings that they were descended from gods.
The weight of the evidence is on the side of the mainstream historians and theologians in this matter.
We used to have a FReeper named "LostTribe" (he was banned)who thought that the Northern Tribes that were hauled off by the Assyrians later appeared in Europe as the Celts and/or the Tribe Of Dan. ...And, there are some ancient folks in Ireland named the Tuatha De Danann and they were told to put their name 'DN' on everything. Danmark, Danube, Scandanavia, and many, many other names in Europe. Thoughts?
Yes, please.
Name patterns only support a theory when backed up by other evidence. That Eastern New England place names have a high number of names in common with East Anglia, or the Shenandoah Valley with Northern Ireland, is significant only when we weigh other evidence, such as ship's logs, folk practices, family Bibles, etc., that indicate that the early settlers of New England mostly came from East Anglia and that a large number of the settlers of the Shenandoah Valley came from Northern Ireland.
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