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It's Final: Most lost jobs gone for good, analysts say
AP ^ | October 19, 2003

Posted on 10/19/2003 4:49:59 AM PDT by sarcasm

More than 3,100 pairs a day, three seconds under the needle for each pair - Judy Peavler was good at her job, stitching flies and zippers into Wrangler jeans.

At roughly $9.50 an hour, plus benefits, the job was good to Peavler, too.

So when VF Corp.of Greensboro cut hours at its jeans factory in Okmulgee, Okla., a few years ago, Peavler waited three months for business to bounce back. Now, though, she is certain the job is gone for good.

"My Dad used to preach to me to find a decent job and marry it -- don't move around and around like he did," said Peavler, whose husband, Roy, also worked at the plant before it closed in April. "So I took his advice ... but it didn't do me any good."

More workers like Peavler are finding themselves in similar straits in a labor market that is behaving very differently from its behavior in past economic cycles. In past downturns, employers cut large numbers of jobs in temporary layoffs, then called many workers back once a recovery began.

But although the economy continues to rebound, most of the 2.7 million jobs lost since early 2001 won't be coming back, analysts said.

In many cases, companies are cutting jobs and limiting hiring because of structural changes in their businesses and the broader economy.

Some of it is beyond companies' control, as demand for certain products and services dries up permanently. But employers also are limiting or cutting jobs by squeezing more productivity out of existing workers, sometimes by using additional technology. Many companies have cut jobs by outsourcing work to firms and facilities overseas.

"More and more employers are seeing the downturn in demand as an opportunity or a mandate to make permanent changes, to position themselves to be competitive when demand comes back," said Erica Groshen, an economist with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Such permanent job cuts were not nearly as prevalent in past economic downturns, Groshen and a colleague, Simon Potter, concluded in a recent report.

In most past recessions, temporary layoffs accounted for 30 percent to 40 percent of the rise in unemployment, the pair found. Employers often helped workers to apply for unemployment insurance, kept in contact and called them back when business picked up.

Since those jobs cuts were reversible, they helped the labor market rebound quickly as the economy found its legs. That explains situations like one in September 1983, when the economy added more than 1 million jobs in a single month.

But that began to change in the early 1990s - during the so-called "jobless recovery" - when employers sent a larger share of workers home without any plans to call them back.

It is even more pronounced during the current economic cycle, with temporary layoffs accounting for just 7 percent of the rise in unemployment, Groshen and Potter found. With companies dismissing workers permanently, the kick-start provided by past callbacks from temporary layoffs is not happening this time around.

"In this recession and recovery, we had layoffs but no recalls and I blame that on structural problems, which means we shouldn't expect a rebound in employment any time soon," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist with Wells Fargo & -- Co. in Minneapolis.

Although the recovery began nearly two years ago, the economy has lost 1 million jobs since that time.

When employers added 57,000 new positions to payrolls in September, it marked the first increase in employment since January, even as the percentage of adults with jobs once again dropped.

It's not just that the economy is slow to create jobs. The bottom line for workers is that many of the jobs that will eventually be created will be very different from the positions they held before.

Workers like Peavler have begun trying to position themselves for that change. Peavler is 35 and worked at the VF plant for more than 10 years. Paid by the piece, she averaged about $9.50 an hour, good enough that she expected to stay in the job as long as she could.

But since 2001, VF has been closing U.S. plants and focusing production in Central America amid lagging demand for its jeans and stiff price competition.

The company has closed plants in Coalgate and Prague, Okla., as well as the one where the Peavlers worked not far from their home in Henryetta.

Later this fall, VF will close plants in Seminole and Ada, Okla., bringing to nearly 1,300 the number of jobs it has eliminated across the state.

"In order to compete ... you're almost forced to have it (jeans) produced in locations where you can get the best cost and unfortunately that's just not here anymore," said Sam Tucker, the vice president of human resources for VF Jeanswear.

For the Peavlers, the change was wrenching. The couple had just bought a house and taken out a home-improvement loan.

The family relied on the health insurance provided by VF. Judy Peavler's life was so tied to working with a sewing machine that she hadn't touched a computer in 16 years.

"It was like the carpet was being pulled out from under me and it was very, very scary," she says. "I told Roy, what are we going to do? We can't make it with me going back to waiting tables."

But Roy Peavler quickly found a job, restoring repossessed mobile homes.

And Judy Peavler is enrolled at Green Country Technology Center in Okmulgee, taking prerequisite courses for training as a nurse.

Other workers are trying to make similar adjustments, but it hasn't been easy.

Christine Kerrigan of Philadelphia worked as a project manager for ExciteAtHome, a high-speed Internet-service provider whose spectacular rise in the late 1990s was followed by an equally abrupt plunge into bankruptcy.

When the company began to fold and she lost her job in late 2001, Kerrigan said, she looked around for similar work and found some temporary consulting assignments. But soon those dried up, too.

Kerrigan, who is 35 and a single mother of two teen-agers, began to realize that an equivalent of the job she had wasn't going to come back, even with a different employer.

Kerrigan is now enrolled at the Community College of Philadelphia, studying for a new career as a physician's assistant.

However, as excited as she is about the prospects of change, it has taken a long time to shake off the disillusionment of seeing her last career evaporate.

"It was personally, such a setback for me when the work force said thanks but no thanks," she says.

"Everything I did was part of my makeup. It was part of who I am and they no longer needed me."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; joblessrecovery; jobmarket; manufacturing
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
... no matter how loyal the employee or how excellent the quality of work ...
What odd reasoning. Does the world simply owe us a living if we're loyal and work hard?
41 posted on 10/19/2003 9:15:40 AM PDT by Asclepius (karma vigilante)
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To: Asclepius
ok ok ok...lets raise taxes on biz so we can help the unemployed,,sarcasm/
42 posted on 10/19/2003 9:18:48 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: Asclepius
The 'world' doesn't owe us a living.
America owes Americans the opportunity to work for a living. Americans have bled and died for America and to protect American interests abroad.
Americans have paid taxes to the American government. Our taxes have been used as foreign aid, to educate foreigners in our classrooms and to protect foreign countries.
Some of those taxes are also being used by OPIC and the Export-Import Bank to encourage businesses to offshore and outsource.
Our government is allowing sensitive technology to be stolen by Communist China.
Now THAT is VERY ODD. It is National Suicide.
43 posted on 10/19/2003 9:24:07 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: sarcasm
Most lost jobs gone for good, analysts say

Brainwashing technique called coercive persusion. They want us to give up our sovereignty to globalization and they are trying really hard to convince us there is nothing we can do about it.

There is plenty to be done, freeper harpseal has a set of steps that are a great start.
44 posted on 10/19/2003 9:29:24 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
Your post reminds me of this quote from Lenin, "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."
45 posted on 10/19/2003 10:18:26 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: camas
that's the point, the employed are going to pay. the real culprits are the politicians, both democrats and republicans who have allowed our country to be sold. if they had to work for a living and didn't reside in their own fiefdoms of special interests, things would be different.
we work for our lords and masters(our ahem, public servants, who are not citizens anymore but the new american royalty) just as the peasants did back in the middle ages.
46 posted on 10/19/2003 11:11:07 AM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: camas
there is lifetime employment in japan and in spite of its past economic woes,it still remains one of the most vibrant and educated economies in the world.
in japan if a CEO is helming a failing corporation he has the decency to take personal responsibility and in extreme cases do the honorable thing...kill himself, rather than blame the usual scapegoat (low productivity).
47 posted on 10/19/2003 11:16:56 AM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
Have I missed something? I thought that our armed
services were all volunteer.
48 posted on 10/19/2003 11:27:03 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman
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To: upcountryhorseman
At the moment it is, but what difference would it make if it had always been?
49 posted on 10/19/2003 11:30:11 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: JohnSmithee
Yes, quite ironic. I would like to see how she came up with 12.5k.
50 posted on 10/19/2003 11:30:14 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: contessa machiaveli
we work for our lords and masters(our ahem, public servants, who are not citizens anymore but the new american royalty

Exactly. And although people may say this facetiously, it has become the truth.

51 posted on 10/19/2003 11:58:42 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: sarcasm
I'm sure there was a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth when the last buggy whip factory closed its doors, too.
52 posted on 10/19/2003 12:01:33 PM PDT by rabidralph (Laugh, while the Orioles plot their World Series bid, 2004.)
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To: rabidralph
along with blue jeans makers, we are also losing the semiconductor industry to china and IT to india. are they "buggywhips" too? tell us, what new industries are being developed right now within the country, that will employ americans, outside low paying service industries?
53 posted on 10/19/2003 12:08:07 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: harpseal; A. Pole
ping
54 posted on 10/19/2003 12:10:45 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: oceanview
Heck, I don't know. I was just expressing my opinion. My mom owns her own travel agency and my dad is a dentist. Both of them are successful and none of their work is being outsourced to India. I would imagine that American entrepreneurship(sp) will start a surge in creating new jobs. Outsourcing government jobs to American contractors (A-76 reform) will help, too. I am merely stating my opinion. Looking for answers in an online forum from a total stranger is kind of stupid.
55 posted on 10/19/2003 12:19:32 PM PDT by rabidralph (Laugh, while the Orioles plot their World Series bid, 2004.)
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To: rabidralph
Making ignorant statements you have no intention of supporting or not and then assuming someone is asking you for answers is especially stupid.

Hundreds of threads with this theme have been posted for several months. If you are interested in some good answers check harpseal's profile page.
Engaging in truly meaningful discussion is always welcomed.
56 posted on 10/19/2003 12:24:10 PM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: rabidralph
I am not looking for answers per say, but any input is welcome.

imagine if the US government tomorrow decided to allow a program to allow foreign dentists to enter the US to work at 60% of the wage of US dentists? En masse, by the tens of thousands? That's how people who work in IT feel right now.
57 posted on 10/19/2003 12:27:24 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: rabidralph
My mom owns her own travel agency and my dad is a dentist. Both of them are successful and none of their work is being outsourced to India.

Well ralphie, their businesses will be adversely affected as well as their customers will increasingly continue to find their services to be unaffordable. It's the "ripple effect".

58 posted on 10/19/2003 12:33:43 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
It's the "ripple effect".

I don't know if Walter Williams has specifically addressed outsourcing, but I agree in general with his analysis of economics. Our consumers benefit from cheaper products. If outsourcing makes the products cheaper, then that's that. I don't want the government intervening in market economics. I only want it to enforce fair laws.

59 posted on 10/19/2003 12:47:00 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Willie Green
yes, not too many $8/hr walmart workers needing a travel agent after all!
60 posted on 10/19/2003 12:51:28 PM PDT by oceanview
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