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Prevent Florida State Senator James King From Blocking Terr's Law
October 20, 2003 | nickcarraway

Posted on 10/20/2003 2:04:32 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: FR_addict
Read Ann Coulter's book "Treason". Joe McCarthy found plenty of Communists that the Dems were ignoring. Some in very high places. Comparing someone to Joe McCarthy is what the liberals do.

Like Ann Coulter is proof for fact that Fl legislature didnt do your bidding because of billion dollar industry crap. You may have some valid points but you lose all credibility when you throw out wild accusations inpugning everyone whose vote you want.

381 posted on 10/20/2003 6:10:53 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: honeygrl
They are actually discussing passing the Terri Bill as we speak. Hunt down a link (you aren't worth my time hunting it down for you) and watch it live if you want proof.

Like I give a damn. It was one of your own that was complaining about the fact that it was a fraud, not me. I just said it was probably a misunderstanding, not deceit. Geez you people have a short fuse. What do you want to bet it doesnt pass or doesnt cover Terri?

382 posted on 10/20/2003 6:14:56 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: mtbopfuyn
I am so sorry for your loss. You have to believe that whatever the outcome, God rewards the good. I would like to see the reign of death end at the hospice. They are pretty sick there.
383 posted on 10/20/2003 6:30:58 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: Dave S
You are so ignorant it isn't funny. All I said was for you to research this yourself. You are a troll.
384 posted on 10/20/2003 6:31:33 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: FloridaBoy
Hey! Howdy neighbor. You probably live 15 minutes from me! Actually, it was just announced that Rep. King is going to introduce the bill by WJXX.
385 posted on 10/20/2003 6:34:01 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: mtbopfuyn
Revenge is mine sayeth the Lord. This is so true is isn't funny. Schiavo will get his. I never gloat about people like Schiavo. I simply humble myself to the Lord. Let go and let God. He is working a miracle for all to see. It is already happening. King would have never introduced this bill before.
386 posted on 10/20/2003 6:36:50 PM PDT by atruelady
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How many of ya'll are watching the FL legislature right now? There are indeed good folks there.... I just pray they act fast.

387 posted on 10/20/2003 7:00:28 PM PDT by PsyOps
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The Bill Passed the House. The Senate takes up the bill tommorow.

388 posted on 10/20/2003 7:13:46 PM PDT by PsyOps
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To: PsyOps
YES, EVERYONE PRAY.....IT PASSED THE HOUSE, ON TO THE SENATE IN THE MORNING !!!!! EMAIL THOSE SENATORS!!!
389 posted on 10/20/2003 7:28:28 PM PDT by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nickcarraway
I e-mailed the District Deputies and state officers and am waiting for someone to respond to me. It was hard trying to find a council in the 8th Legislative district.

390 posted on 10/20/2003 7:40:09 PM PDT by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Coleus
As long as I live I will ALWAYS be awed by the power and goodness of Almighty GOD.

Would that we praise HIM Now and Forever. Amen

391 posted on 10/20/2003 7:48:34 PM PDT by tenthirteen
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To: syriacus
ty I missed this earlier
392 posted on 10/20/2003 8:41:47 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: Dave S
The "Enlightenment" took a different direction in America because it was tempered with a strong continued belief in Biblical Religion. Therefore it could come up with the unique idea of individual rights given by GOD rather than the state here.
In France where GOD was rejected by the "Enlightenment" the end result of their revolution was the first modern gun control laws, mass gilltinings and finally mas drowings aimed at the explicit purpose of "de population" of the country the VERY SAME purpose toward which abortion and euthanasia are aimed today.
I still stand by my original post that the death culture in the world today is based on The original "Enlightment" philosophy of rejecting Biblical religion and therefore its stands on the special position of and therefore sanctity of human life. THIS is the root of Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Fascism, Corporatism, death culturism and every other threat to our Constitution and Bill of Rights other than Milatant Islam.
393 posted on 10/20/2003 8:50:22 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Why do we allow a purjuring, software pirate traitor to continue to run our computers?)
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To: Coleus
Thanks. I wonder why.
394 posted on 10/20/2003 9:28:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
1st you need a list of the towns in the district, then you have to search for a council in those towns and hope they have a website, and while some do, there are sites with no e mail addresses listed.
395 posted on 10/20/2003 9:30:43 PM PDT by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: Coral Snake
That was very interesting. I didn't know about the Enlightenment. Thanks for the info!
396 posted on 10/20/2003 9:33:31 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: nickcarraway
 

STATEMENT OF BISHOP ROBERT N. LYNCH

CONCERNING THE TERRI SCHIAVO CASE

August 12, 2003

 

            In this nation, many families face end-of-life issues each day involving loved ones and family members. Most of these decisions are made quietly with the assistance not only of medical doctors and health care professionals but often with the advice of members of the clergy and counselors. Few decisions reach the level of public notice as the case involving Terri Schiavo. Despite the prayers of many, myself included, her family has not been able to come together to make a single, unified, mutually agreed upon decision concerning Terri’s situation. Now the matter is approaching a legal climax with judges making decisions properly reserved for families. How sad.

 

            Some in Terri’s family believe that her condition calls for the removal of her feeding tube and others do not. Even physicians, who have evaluated Terri’s condition, with varying degrees of access for clinical analysis, disagree on her condition. In Florida, when families cannot agree, trial judges are permitted to act as proxies and make decisions about life-prolonging procedures. In so doing, we ask our judges to make decisions that they might not make for themselves or their loved ones, but ones that clear and convincing evidence shows the individual would make for herself or himself.

 

            Proper care of our lives requires that we seek necessary medical care from others but we are not required to use every possible remedy in every circumstance. We are obliged to preserve our own lives, and help others preserve theirs, by use of means that have a reasonable hope of sustaining life without imposing unreasonable burdens on those we seek to help, that is, on the patient and his or her family and community. In general, we are only required to use ordinary means that do not involve an excessive burden, for others or for our ourselves. What may be too difficult for some may not be for others.

 

            Our Catholic Church has traditionally viewed medical treatment as excessively burdensome if it is “too painful, too damaging to the patient’s bodily self and functioning, too psychologically repugnant to the patient, too suppressive of the patient’s mental life, or too expensive.” [cf. “Life, Death and Treatment of Dying Patients: Pastoral Statement of the Catholic Bishops of Florida, 1989]

 

            Our Catholic teaching is also clear that “nourishment or hydration may be withheld or withdrawn where that treatment itself is causing harm to the patient or is useless because the patient’s death is imminent, as long as the patient is made comfortable. In general, the terms ‘death is imminent’ and ‘terminally ill’ imply that a physician can predict that the patient will die of the fatal pathology within a few days or weeks, regardless of what life prolonging methods are utilized.” [Statement of Florida bishops cited above]

 

            Terri Schiavo’s case is especially difficult because her actual medical situation is in dispute. The court has determined based on the medical evidence which was presented to it that she is in a “persistent or permanent vegetative state,” commonly referred to as PVS. Her husband agrees with this. Her parents and other family members do not.  Physicians who have examined her also have opposing opinions. It is currently assumed that Terri cannot swallow food naturally. All agree, however, that there is extensive and permanent damage to her brain but it is not clear whether the medically assisted nutrition and hydration is delaying her dying process to no avail, is unreasonably burdensome for her, and contrary to what she would wish if she could tell us.

 

            In these most difficult cases, our Church teaching is that there should be a presumption in favor of providing medically assisted nutrition and hydration to all patients as long as it is of sufficient benefit to outweigh the burdens involved to the patient.

 

            If Terri’s feeding tube is removed, it will undoubtedly be followed by her death. If it were to be removed because the nutrition which she receives from it is of no use to her, or because it is unreasonably burdensome for her and her family or her caregivers, it could be seen as permissible. But if it were to be removed simply because she is not dying quickly enough and some believe she would be better off because of her low quality of life, this would be wrong.

 

            This situation is tragic. I strongly recommend that

 

1.                  in the presence of so much uncertainty and dispute about her actual physical state, all parties pursue a clearer understanding of her actual physical condition;

 

2.                  Terri’s family be allowed to attempt a medical protocol which they feel would improve her condition;

 

3.                  Excessive rhetoric like the use of “murder” or the designation of the trial judge or appellate judges as “murderers” not be used by anyone from our Judeo-Christian tradition. This is a much harder case than those who use facile language might know.

 

         Please join me in praying for a peaceful, moral, legal and just resolution of this case.

 

         At some point in time, we will all face “end of life.” Each person has an uncertain future and we live in a world of constant technological changes and developments. When a person is not competent to make his or her own decisions, it is very appropriate for a family member or guardian to be designated as a proxy to represent the patient’s interests and interpret his or her wishes. Decisions made by those legally entitled to act for the patient must always be respected. For this reason, I wish to use this moment to remind all our Catholic people that it is extremely important for all to have designated a medical proxy to someone who is trusted and to leave a “living will” in which you indicate your wishes. It is also important to note that such proxies and medical directions can never “trump” or override appropriate moral considerations. In this regard, Catholic teaching notes that the proxy may not deliberately cause a patient’s death or refuse ordinary and normal treatment, even if he or she believes a patient would have made such a decision. I encourage everyone to

 

1.                  Become informed about the complexities surrounding end of life issues, discuss them with your families and doctors, and formulate your own wishes that could direct treatment;

 

2.                  Designate a medical surrogate to act on your behalf in the eventuality that your own competence is impeded at some time in the future.

 

3.                  Have in place and on file, with your family, medical surrogate, attorney, or perhaps even your pastor, a “living will.”

 

            My prayer is that these words will help others in the future avoid the situation that surrounds the case of Terri Schiavo.

 

 

 

STATEMENT OF THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS OF FLORIDA

August 27, 2003





 


Florida Bishops Urge Safer Course For Terri Schiavo

   We continue our fervent prayers for Terri Schiavo, for her family, and all involved in this most difficult and heart wrenching situation. After a fourth consideration of her case, the 2nd District Court of Appeals has upheld the latest order of the trial court judge to withdraw her hydration and nutrition tube. An emergency appeal to the Florida Supreme Court was denied. Barring unforeseen legal intervention, the trial court will soon re-schedule the removal of Mrs. Schiavo’s feeding tube.  It is most unfortunate that family members have not been able to agree on her care, forcing the Court’s involvement.

   Bishop Robert N. Lynch of the Diocese of St. Petersburg has spoken in detail to this case (Concerning Terri Schiavo).*  His statement followed careful consultation with his brother Bishops and we fully support it.  Because of so much uncertainty and dispute, we reiterate his plea that her treatment be continued while all parties pursue a more clear understanding of her actual physical condition.

   Bishop Lynch’s statement clarifies the teaching of the Church that nourishment or hydration may be withheld or withdrawn where that treatment itself is causing harm to the patient or is useless because the patient’s death is imminent.  Church teaching is clear that there should be a presumption in favor of providing medically assisted nutrition and hydration to all patients as long as it is of sufficient benefit to outweigh the burdens involved to the patient.

   The Church cannot make this decision, but her teaching guides those who must:  the patient or those legally entitled to do so if the patient is unable.  If Mrs. Schiavo’s feeding tube were to be removed because the nutrition she receives is of no use to her, or because she is near death, or because it is unreasonably burdensome for her, her family, or caregivers, it could be seen as permissible.  But if her feeding tube were to be removed to intentionally cause her death, or because her life is perceived to be useless, or because it is believed that the quality of her life is such that she would be better off, this would be wrong.

   Without question, removal of Mrs. Schiavo’s feeding tube will result in her death.  We respect the need for finality of the court’s decision, but we urge additional time to allow greater certainty as to her true condition.  We respect, too, the limitations on new evidence being considered by the court, but in matters of life and death, exceptions should be made.  If additional medical treatment can be shown to be helpful to her condition, we urge that all parties involved take the safer course and allow it to be used.

   Just as we are concerned for Terri Schiavo, we are also concerned for others who are weak and vulnerable.  There is an inherent danger in assuming that food and water can simply be withheld without clearly knowing a patient’s wishes.  There is reason to be circumspect and ever careful in these cases.  We reject outright the euthanasia movement and its utilitarian standard that some lives are not worth living.  Every life is precious and unrepeatable.

   And finally, we remember there are times when one may refuse treatment that will result in a precarious and burdensome prolongation of life.  Properly, this may be seen as an expression of our hope in the life to come.  Let each of us communicate ahead of time with our families and loved ones, our wishes for treatment at the end of our lives.  To do so will give great comfort to them in an emotionally stressful time.

   We join our prayers with the family and loved ones of Terri Schiavo in this most difficult time.

http://www.flacathconf.org/Publications/BishopsStatements/Bpst2000/TerriSchiavo.htm
 

Archbishop John C. Favalora
Archdiocese of Miami
 
  Bishop John J. Nevins
  Diocese of Venice
 
Bishop Norbert M. Dorsey, CP
Diocese of  Orlando
 
Bishop John H. Ricard, SSJ
Diocese  of Pensacola/Tallahassee
 
  Bishop Victor Galeone
  Diocese of St. Augustine
 
Bishop Robert N. Lynch
Diocese of St. Petersburg
 
Bishop-Designate Gerald M. Barbarito, JCL
Diocese of Palm Beach
 
Coadjutor Bishop Thomas G. Wenski
Diocese of Orlando
 

Bishop Lynch's statement concerning Terri Schiavo
* ( http://www.dioceseofstpete.org/news_releases/statement_of_bishop_robert_n.htm )


Return to 2000-2009 Bishops' Statement Summary

 

 


397 posted on 10/20/2003 9:40:59 PM PDT by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: sfRummygirl
So what now? The Senate passes it tomorrow, then she gets to eat?
398 posted on 10/20/2003 9:41:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: All
http://www.flacathconf.org/Issuesinfo/RespectLifePage.htm

Florida Catholic Conference, Respect Life Page
399 posted on 10/20/2003 9:42:27 PM PDT by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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400 posted on 10/20/2003 9:43:13 PM PDT by atruelady
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