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TERRI SCHIAVO WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO?

Posted on 10/20/2003 3:26:05 PM PDT by AnimalLover

Wanted to pass along some information.

Have been calling everyone I could think of in Florida and Washington, including John Ashcroft -

lhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/government/ashcroft-bio.html

Called Hal Lindsey's office at TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network) - secretary had never heard of the case - gave her Terri's website - she said she was going to get in touch with Hal to see what he could do.

Called the Supreme Court- naturally closed for the day. Operator told me that to file a complaint, call the General Counsel of the Court at: 202 - 502-1100. She suggested I call early Tuesday since I live in California.


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KEYWORDS: euthanasia; florida; murder; schiavo; starvation; terri; terrischiavo
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Does anyone know how to get ahold of Billy Graham? I hope that Hal Lindsey can get ahold of him.

Can anyone get ahold of Jack VanImpe - he's just outside of Detroit - I believe in Troy. He has a national TV program.

Was able to talk to someone in Bush's Chief of Staff's office - told him Bush better send in the National Guard. That people across the country are ANGRY and there would be a severe backlash if Terri dies.

Also told him that a lot of people here in California are going to cancel trips to Florida, any thought of moving there and to boycott Florida products.

If I can think of anything else I will add to this thread.

God bless all of you Freepers! I know if something happened to me I'd feel safe knowing I had your support.

1 posted on 10/20/2003 3:26:05 PM PDT by AnimalLover
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To: AnimalLover
I wrote area news media to let them know about this story, including the Tampa Tribune. Considering the level of Florida- or Tampa-area news media coverage, which was next to none, the legislators aren't going to do anything unless they get pressured from the public.... and the public, unfortunately, has, by and large, been kept in the dark about this story.
2 posted on 10/20/2003 3:27:58 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: AnimalLover; cyn; pollywog; honeygrl; Pegita; cake_crumb; Salvation; backhoe; ...
PING!!!
3 posted on 10/20/2003 3:28:02 PM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................God Bless and Keep Terri.....................)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; MarMema; kimmie7; Desdemona; Florida Mama; sarasota; Republic; sfRummygirl
ping
4 posted on 10/20/2003 3:31:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
We must keep up this good fight and pray for a miracle.

Priest Who Blessed Terri Schiavo with Relic of Mother Teresa Hints at Hope for Miracle
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/oct/03101702.html
TAMPA BAY, October 17, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The parents of Terri Schiavo, the disabled Florida woman who is destined to starve to death after a court ordered the removal of her feeding tube, were able to have a supervised visit with their daughter after her feeding tube was removed. Bob and Mary Schindler visited their daughter accompanied by Rev. Thaddeus Malanowski, a Roman Catholic priest who visits Terri weekly.

The New York Times reports that Father Malanowski took a scrap from a robe worn by Mother Teresa into Terri's room and blessed her with it. Recalling the fact that Mother Teresa is to be beatified Sunday October 19, the priest noted that to become a canonized saint, Mother Teresa would need to assist in another miracle.

Meanwhile, the round-the-clock prayer vigil outside the hospice where Terri lies starving continues. Doctors are disagreeing on whether the starvation of Terri will be painful, and the Schindlers are also concerned that the morphine to be given Terri to combat the starvation pains may be given in doses which will kill her. Otherwise she could live another eight days without food and water.

Finally Governor Bush has assured the Schindler's that he supports them, and has asked his legal team to investigate the possibilities of intervening in the case. Yesterday legal experts from the Thomas More Law Center provided overwhelming evidence that a criminal investigation into the causes of Terri's disability could be launched. Brian Burch of the Law Center told LifeSite that Governor Bush has the authority to launch the criminal investigation which would call for Terri's life to be preserved as she is integral to the case.

As of Friday afternoon, Bush has maintained that he is still not able to intervene. Bob and Mary Schindler nevertheless remain prayerfully hopeful.

See the New York Times coverage:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/16/national/16FEED.html


5 posted on 10/20/2003 3:32:40 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
The heathen, Godless lawyers have the judicial system turned @ss-backwards and inside-out in this country, and the know-nothing, listless, self-serving politicos we've elected will sit back on their haunches, wait for her to die, then put on a misty-eyed performance about how they TRIED to stop it before it was too late.

Just like the Florida legislature blew off the moratorium bill today.

We, as a country, are doomed.
6 posted on 10/20/2003 3:35:11 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: Viking2002
It is a sad day in the USA when USA courts condemn someone to die, who has committed no crime.
7 posted on 10/20/2003 3:43:22 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: victim soul
and the Schindlers are also concerned that the morphine to be given Terri to combat the starvation pains may be given in doses which will kill her

I have this to say, that if her life can't be saved from the ghouls of FL, she should at least be shown the most mercy possible during that time. Also that fluid in the morphine drip can't hurt.

8 posted on 10/20/2003 3:43:26 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Sounds like there may need to be a big civil disobedience, to get the news's attention.
9 posted on 10/20/2003 3:45:17 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: AnimalLover
Federal Law prohibits the use of federally funded drugs in "right to life" cases, euthanasia. Source: JOHN ASHCROFT. Is morphine federally funded? Do hospices receive federal funds?

Of course, in Terri's case, they are calling morphine "pain control," ignoring that it hastens death due to dehydration.

10 posted on 10/20/2003 3:55:33 PM PDT by lakey
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To: The Red Zone
I have never advocated civil disobedience until now.I can say that if it were my daughter in there I would STORM the place and at least attempt to make big enough scene to start a riot!!!!!!!!!!!
11 posted on 10/20/2003 3:57:14 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: tessalu
"It is a sad day in the USA when USA courts condemn someone to die, who has committed no crime. "

The real irony is that the same people who don't care if innocent people die (pro-choice included) are generally the
sameones who are against capitol punishment - protecting the guilty...
12 posted on 10/20/2003 3:58:29 PM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obsfucation)
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To: Viking2002
Just like the Florida legislature blew off the moratorium bill today.

Although a moratorium might have been a good idea, it really wouldn't solve the root problem, which is the complete lack of any check on trial-court judge's power.

As a simple example, once Judge Greer found that there was no possible conflict of interest regarding Michael and Terri, nobody else could do anything to force the appointment of a guardian ad litem for Terri.

I don't know how to fix the system without making things worse, but it's clear that some regulations which are designed to prevent "judge shopping" instead allow whatever party in a case controls venue to shop for a favorable judge and then keep that judge forever.

There are a few specific things that could have been done that would have helped Terri's case, and that might be reasonable to pass as legislation though the usefulness would be limited.

For example, the statute regarding guardians ad litem could enumerate some specific and indisputable circumstances in which a judge would be required to appoint a guardian ad lib, rather than merely using broad terminology. Such circumstances could include, but not be limited to:

To be sure, even with such a law in place there would have to be some means of protecting against "yes man" guardian ad litems, but I see no excuse for a judge not to appoint a guardian ad litem in the cases described above.
13 posted on 10/20/2003 3:59:14 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: M. Peach
The real irony is that the same people who don't care if innocent people die (pro-choice included) are generally the sameones who are against capitol punishment - protecting the guilty...

Funny that. And we need to lock up gun owners who commit paperwork violations, while letting robbers and rapists out on parole because prisons are too full.

14 posted on 10/20/2003 4:02:25 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: AnimalLover
I've been "out of the loop" all day. Was a special legislative session held in Florida? Any changes?
15 posted on 10/20/2003 4:03:05 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: AnimalLover; sweetliberty; Budge; pollywog; agrace; PleaseNoMore
Right out of my personal phone book:

WMIT (The Light)
Blue Ridge Broadcasting
P.O. Box 159
Black Mountain, NC 28711
106.9 in the western NC area
800-330-9648

Sorry no email addy.

Billy Graham has moved his headquarters to Charlotte, NC.

Billy Graham is one of the few Christian televangelists I trust. His group, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association is one of the best ever.

Note to Sweet (a disclaimer of sorts): I am in no way advocating Trinity Broadcasting or Van Impe -- I have as many problems with their teachings as I do with the RCC (altho I do like Hal Lindsay very much). BUT, we need all the voices we can get and QUICKLY!!

Please dear Father in Heaven, if it be Your will, let your Holy Spirit move quickly to save Terri!!

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16 posted on 10/20/2003 4:04:17 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: Right_in_Virginia
I've been "out of the loop" all day. Was a special legislative session held in Florida? Any changes

Yes Right_in_Virginia, a special session WAS held. ONLY ONE PROBLEM.......they totally LEFT TERRI OUT OF IT.....*sigh*....oh but two things they did bring up....HOLLYWOOD and BIO FEEDBACK!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

17 posted on 10/20/2003 4:15:15 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: pollywog
Was "Terri's law" blocked? Was it on the agenda?
18 posted on 10/20/2003 4:20:57 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: AnimalLover
There's a fairly old song, I think Prince wrote it, and M.C.hammer covered it that said

"You have to pray, jsut to make it through the day"

some folks may not like the messengers, but please follow the message.

19 posted on 10/20/2003 4:24:51 PM PDT by Cheapskate (Have you Squandered part of your Heritage today?STOP IT!)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
I expected some news on this today. I made phone calls and they were all answered on the first ring--not enough people are calling their representatives and Governor, obviously. Look, folks. Florida's government really doesn't give a rip what Oklahomans and Texans and Californians think. If Floridians are not keeping their representatives fully informed about their beliefs on this, we can't possibly win this. Those phones are not busy enough. There aren't enough protestors locally on the scene. And nobody is getting the media to pay attention.

SHAME on Drudge; Shame on Fox. Shame on Lucianne, too, for that matter. I have been disappointed in those voices before, but that they aren't speaking for Terri speaks volumes about them.
20 posted on 10/20/2003 4:26:28 PM PDT by ChemistCat (Bought the cats a new scratching-couch. It looks great so far.)
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To: AnimalLover
Besides rushing the hospital all we can do is pray... but I wouldn't suggest it.
21 posted on 10/20/2003 4:30:23 PM PDT by sonsofliberty2000 (He is in heaven. If your messengers cannot find him there seek him in the other place yourself.)
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To: pollywog

Nothing they can do? Court orders are the last word in law? Yeah, right.

22 posted on 10/20/2003 4:30:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (Feed Terri)
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To: viaveritasvita
Note to Sweet (a disclaimer of sorts): I am in no way advocating Trinity Broadcasting or Van Impe -- I have as many problems with their teachings as I do with the RCC (altho I do like Hal Lindsay very much). BUT, we need all the voices we can get and QUICKLY!!

Hey don't knock TBN right now, some of the teachers KNOW how to pray and get answers. I have been going through the list of programs and sending prayer requests to the ones I know will pray.

I may not agree with everything they preach but I have hit Kenneth Copeland Ministries, World Changers, World Harvest Church... Will send in requests for as many of them as I can.

Now is the time to pray in one accord for Terri's sake. God is the God of the impossible. He can do great and mighty things.

23 posted on 10/20/2003 4:33:19 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: viaveritasvita; sweetliberty
I was wondering - can an annulmment be considered by the family? Then the mother and dad could be appointed legal guardians.

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24 posted on 10/20/2003 4:34:33 PM PDT by Budge
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To: ChemistCat
SHAME on Drudge; Shame on Fox. Shame on Lucianne, too, for that matter. I have been disappointed in those voices before, but that they aren't speaking for Terri speaks volumes about them.

I guess nothing interfers with the media's 24/7 coverage of Kobe and Peterson.

You're right, friend, it is a shame---and a tragedy.

And, I am surprised that Lucianne's voice hasn't been heard on this.

But, Freepers can and should be proud. The effort on these threads in support of the constitutional and God-given right to life has been an inspiration.

25 posted on 10/20/2003 4:42:21 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: The Red Zone
It is most likely a direct shot of morphine. An I.V. would help keep her alive, especially if there is saline in it for her vital organs.
26 posted on 10/20/2003 4:43:27 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: Budge
A third party cannot seek an annulment in civic court. I think my husband and I would not be married if that was the case; both sides of the family would have teamed up to undo what is 21 years of marital, um, well, mostly he stands around reading over my shoulder....Okay. It's not bliss but it'll do. :-)

Seriously, the change in law that is most desperately needed is a way for concerned family members to have guardianship taken away from someone, even a spouse, who has serious conflict of interest and is not acting in the best interest of the patient. By denying Terry the therapy that might have restored her (to the point of being able to testify against him, maybe?) he clearly never was acting in her best interest.

There are assisted communication therapies that might have enabled Terri to communicate. She can move her eyes. That's all that is needed--she could have told everyone exactly what happened to her and exactly what she wanted. But he wouldn't let anyone near her who could give her that power.
27 posted on 10/20/2003 4:44:12 PM PDT by ChemistCat (Bought the cats a new scratching-couch. It looks great so far.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Who is speaking for Terri besides us?

I see it on Glenn Beck. I haven't seen it on even the conservative news sites I read besides this one.
28 posted on 10/20/2003 4:45:06 PM PDT by ChemistCat (Bought the cats a new scratching-couch. It looks great so far.)
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To: AnimalLover
It blows my mind how people came out of the wordwork for the murderess Karla Faye Tucker (remember Larry King..), and where are they now for the innocent Terri?

29 posted on 10/20/2003 4:49:36 PM PDT by Lanza
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To: AnimalLover
Called Hal Lindsey's office at TBN (Trinity Broadcast Network) - secretary had never heard of the case -

We can thank the damn media for purposely not reporting this story... and when they do, they tell lies and half-truths. ("comatose, PVS, letting her die" etc)

I'm so mad right now. I just got home from work, what's the latest, the bill never got introduced?

30 posted on 10/20/2003 4:51:10 PM PDT by incindiary (Proverbs 31:8)
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To: ChemistCat
who has serious conflict of interest

The Alice in Wonderland judge has already ruled there wasn't any. This is more than rose colored glasses, this is way down into the infrared.

31 posted on 10/20/2003 4:51:59 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: atruelady
Irony here now is, if she does get her tube back in, she may end up in a coma from the morphine, lack of food and water. We may want to be careful about what we wish for at this point.
32 posted on 10/20/2003 4:56:26 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: incindiary
I just got home from work, what's the latest, the bill never got introduced?

THE BAD NEWS: the bill never was introduced, and there are freeper reports that the bill's sponsor, Speaker Johnnie Byrd, authored no bill at all.

THE GOOD NEWS: Senate President Jim King (the man reported to have said he didn't support the bill) now says he will introduce a bill to save Terri's life. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1004700/posts

Also, Jeb Bush MIGHT try something tonight: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1004229/posts?page=344#344

33 posted on 10/20/2003 5:01:26 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: ChemistCat
Seriously, the change in law that is most desperately needed is a way for concerned family members to have guardianship taken away from someone, even a spouse, who has serious conflict of interest and is not acting in the best interest of the patient. By denying Terry the therapy that might have restored her (to the point of being able to testify against him, maybe?) he clearly never was acting in her best interest.

Such a law already exists. Whenever there is a potential conflict of interest between a guardian and his ward, the judge is required to appoint a guardian ad litem. Terri had a guardian ad litem who complained that Michael's actions were contrary to her best interest. Michael's lawyer dismissed her, and Judge Greer refused to appoint another, finding that there was no potential conflict of interest.

Judge Greer's actions there were grossly illegal, and should have been impeachable (too bad Terri's family didn't go after him then), but unfortunately because appeals courts cannot overturn trial courts' findings of fact, and Judge Greer found that there was no potential conflict of interest, there was no way for Terri's parents to make Judge Greer follow the law.

Perhaps one thing that should be included in new legislation bearing Terri's name (if, as at this point seems likely, Terris death makes haste less important than quality) would be a provision which requires a guardian ad litem not only when a "potential conflict of interest" exists, but spells out some specific conditions under which a judge would not be able to deny a conflict of interest.

For example:

Both of those conditions clearly applied in Terri's case, and even Judge Greer would have a very hard time making a finding that they did not apply while allowing Felos to loot her trust fund or while signing her death warrant.
34 posted on 10/20/2003 5:03:13 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: CajunConservative
I'm with you on this one and for Terri's sake! Our God is an awesome God! Use us, Lord!!

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35 posted on 10/20/2003 5:04:10 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: Gelato; Pan_Yans Wife; EggsAckley; Ragtime Cowgirl
Unfortunately, I'm not too skeptical any longer about saving Terri's life. I think it is dangerous at this point. She is being administered deadly amounts of morphines and has had no norishment since 10/15.

What are our next steps? We can't walk away and be complacent about what happened. This sets a precidence that is dangerous.
36 posted on 10/20/2003 5:06:25 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: supercat
bump!
37 posted on 10/20/2003 5:08:34 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: supercat
Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!
38 posted on 10/20/2003 5:13:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (Feed Terri)
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To: supercat
Terri had a guardian ad litem who complained that Michael's actions were contrary to her best interest. Michael's lawyer dismissed her, and Judge Greer refused to appoint another, finding that there was no potential conflict of interest.

Judge Greer's actions there were grossly illegal, and should have been impeachable (too bad Terri's family didn't go after him then), but unfortunately because appeals courts cannot overturn trial courts' findings of fact, and Judge Greer found that there was no potential conflict of interest, there was no way for Terri's parents to make Judge Greer follow the law.

Okay, those are very good points. Now, shouldn't other judges--maybe even Federal ones-- be able to stay the order on these grounds? Why hasn't any other Judge done so?

39 posted on 10/20/2003 5:16:54 PM PDT by TheBigB ("If my country calls, I will answer. Unless I'm screening."--Homer J. Simpson)
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To: Calpernia
What are our next steps?

Judge George Greer needs to be investigated for one thing. That would be up to the Florida AG I suppose who is under the authority of Jeb Bush.

40 posted on 10/20/2003 5:17:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Feed Terri)
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To: All

Fla. Lawmakers May Pass Tube-Feeding Law

October 20, 2003 07:17 PM EDT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1004714/posts

41 posted on 10/20/2003 5:19:49 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
Thank you Gelato!! I'll keep praying.
42 posted on 10/20/2003 5:30:26 PM PDT by incindiary (Proverbs 31:8)
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To: Calpernia
I still am praying for a miracle for Terri. I read two sentences in this post above, that brought home again how inhumanly cruel and unjust this whole thing is. However, we want to make sure this is stopped in its tracks. Many have already been killed against their will, and there are probably many going through what Terri is going through right now. Hospice Patients Alliance [ http://www.hospicepatients.org ] is doing a lot to expose and bring litigation against the 'hospice' where Terri lies now. They know a lot of the dirt behind this movement. Teaming up with them, as some team up with Henry Lamb, might be one place to start. In fact, it might not be a bad idea to introduce Hospice Patients Alliance and Henry Lamb to each other, because they are fighting against basically the same people, since population control is a major component of the Wildlands Project, which is nothing less than totalitarian control of all the world's resources, and all the world's people.
43 posted on 10/20/2003 5:32:03 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
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To: Calpernia
Now. Rep. King is speaking up for Terri:

October 20, 2003 07:17 PM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - Florida lawmakers were moving Monday to consider intervening in the case of a severely brain-damaged woman whose feeding tube was removed last week by her husband's order.

The Florida House scheduled a Monday night session to take up the issue. In the Senate, President Jim King said he will propose legislation that would give Gov. Jeb Bush the authority to order the feeding tube be reinserted to keep Terri Schiavo alive.

The tube was removed Wednesday following a decade-long court battle between Schiavo's parents and their son-in-law, who contends that he is carrying out her wishes not to be kept alive artificially.

"If we are to err - because time is of the essence - for goodness sake let us err on the side of caution," said King, a Republican.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1004714/posts


class action against hospice

Posted on 10/20/2003 7:25 PM EDT by d5055

Click here: Hospice of the Florida $uncoast in the News

There is a class action case going on right now against the Hospice that Terri is in. All information is available online and is public record. All information is documented with the district court. if you would like... grab a cup of coffee, and get ready to be shocked .

conflict of interest? Please dont be overwhelmed at all the evil and evidence coming to the publics eye, be stead fast now and hold on to what is true. we cant be silent now!!! donna

DON'T EVER GIVE UP....REMEMBER..... MOSES WAS A BASKET CASE!


It's beyond my understanding. God's will is all I'm praying for.

44 posted on 10/20/2003 5:41:33 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: TigersEye
"Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!"

See also http://www.floridajail4judges.org also http://www.jail4judges.org

See also http://www.redressinc.org/about.html




45 posted on 10/20/2003 5:42:40 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
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To: pollywog
Re your Post No. 11. I feel the same way - my daughter being treated this way - yes, it would drive me to storm the hospice, guns drawn, and rescue her. Terri is defenseless. That the husband, the judge and the politicians hold this defenseless person in their hands is not right. Release her to her parents' care.
46 posted on 10/20/2003 5:47:05 PM PDT by maxwellp (Throw the U.N. in the garbage where it belongs.)
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To: AnimalLover
I work on the space coast of florida, and I am not hearing any news of Terri on any of the Christian Radio Stations,
and nothing on Savagenation radio talk show either..sad..
It seen the media blackout and lies and deceptions is working....Murder right before our eyes..
47 posted on 10/20/2003 6:17:01 PM PDT by Orlando
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To: Ethan_Allen
Hey, that looks good! Thank you!
48 posted on 10/20/2003 6:21:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Feed Terri)
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To: Calpernia
Yes. But, God can make her whole. I believe there will be some damage that the doctors have to deal with if they start feeding her again. She will need a lot of care. They need to get her out of that horrible place.
49 posted on 10/20/2003 6:38:17 PM PDT by atruelady
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To: TigersEye
I don't think it is correct to say that a state attorney general is under the direction of a governor. Both are elected officials and may not even be of the same party, though they are in FL, TX, AL, and SC.
50 posted on 10/20/2003 6:44:07 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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