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Gadget Prevents Plane Seats From Reclining
AP via Excite News ^ | Oct 24, 2:00 PM (ET) | BRAD FOSS

Posted on 10/24/2003 1:35:02 PM PDT by leadpencil1

WASHINGTON (AP) - Every cramped air traveler may have the right to lean his seat back, but Ira Goldman sees airplane justice from another perspective - that of the person behind - and he's found a way to even the score.

Goldman invented the Knee Defender, a beeper-sized block of plastic that lets passengers prevent the seat in front of them from reclining.

The gadget, which went on sale about a month ago on the Internet for $10, has sparked heated debate in online chat rooms, and aviation officials worry about the disagreements that will be generated at 30,000 feet.

Alison Duquette, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, said the product violates no FAA regulations, so it would be up to individual airlines to prohibit it.

Northwest Airlines (NWB) said it will ban the Knee Defender from all flights. Other carriers, such as American Airlines and Delta Air Lines, acknowledged concerns about safety - not to mention the comfort of passengers who want to recline - but are still figuring out what to do.

The safety concerns stem from the design, because the Knee Defender works only when the tray table is down. The hard plastic block, which has an inch-wide groove down the middle, fits around the arm of a tray table and acts as a barrier to the seat's backward movement.

"We have tested this product on several seat types and find that when installed, should someone try to force the seat to recline, the tray table assembly can break," said Mary Stanik, a Northwest spokeswoman. "If the seat is damaged, including the tray table, in flight, it may adversely affect passenger evacuation in the event of an emergency."

Goldman said he would stop selling the product if the airlines prove it unsafe, but so far he's unmoved by their arguments. The 50-year-old Washington, D.C., resident, who's 6-foot-4, said he didn't invent Knee Defender so fliers would be able to "hog scarce space," but rather for the physical well-being of tall travelers like himself.

"If I hadn't been bashed in the knees over and over again, this wouldn't have been invented," said Goldman, who estimated that nearly 1,000 Knee Defenders have been ordered. At the very least, he said the device could be a useful "early warning system" for long-legged fliers or people using laptops, enabling them to ask the passenger in front not to recline.

"Be polite to fellow passengers," says a sticker affixed to each Knee Defender.

Kevin Gross of San Francisco, who ordered a Knee Defender but hasn't yet used it, said he would immediately remove the device if asked to by a passenger or flight attendant. But Gross is betting it'll go undetected in most cases, since travelers will just assume the seat is busted and not make a fuss.

Don't count on 50-year-old Dan Hammer of White Plains, N.Y., to be so docile.

"If I saw somebody that put the Knee Defender on the seat behind me so that I can't go back, I'll be very upset," Hammer said.

That's just the kind of high dudgeon that worries Dawn Deeks, a spokeswoman for the Association of Flight Attendants.

After all, flight attendants already often ask passengers not to lean back too far, and they would be the ones to police any disputes.

To Deeks, the Knee Defender is "an insensitive knee-jerk reaction to insensitive people" that would only inflame tempers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: airlines; invention
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Had to laugh when I saw this. At 6'7", I have and use my very own built in "Knee Defender" and have many a good story to tell. Once someone tries to recline their seat and can't (because my knees are holding it upright), they never try again for the rest of the flight.
1 posted on 10/24/2003 1:35:02 PM PDT by leadpencil1
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To: leadpencil1
Lack of legroom is the biggest reason I go out of my way to avoid flying. It's just too darned uncomfortable.
2 posted on 10/24/2003 1:37:19 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
Exit row, if you have to fly and are lucky enough to get it, is the best way to go (other than first class, of course).
3 posted on 10/24/2003 1:39:03 PM PDT by leadpencil1 (Kill your television)
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To: leadpencil1
I'm betting that airport security won't let this gadget on the planes.
4 posted on 10/24/2003 1:40:16 PM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................God Bless and Keep Terri.....................)
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To: leadpencil1
Once someone tries to recline their seat and can't (because my knees are holding it upright), they never try again for the rest of the flight.

Knowing the seats in front of the exit row don't recline, I'll request an exit row seat when booking a flight.

5 posted on 10/24/2003 1:41:37 PM PDT by newgeezer (We learn by trail and errror. ;-)
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To: leadpencil1
Do I have this straight? You can prevent someone from reclining in front of you, but you can recline yourself? Somebody's cruisin' for a bruisin'.
6 posted on 10/24/2003 1:42:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: leadpencil1
Yeah, I know. Or the right side aisle seats (I have a cranky left knee). I just can't see spending the money on first class or even business class, though I'll fly them if I've got miles to redeem and the seat's available. Lots of legroom, there, you're right. But if the airlines start accomodating obese people with bigger seats, they'd better be prepared to do something for those of us who are over-endowed in the inseam department :)
8 posted on 10/24/2003 1:43:12 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
I'm not paying that much to be hassled and then made uncomfortable.
9 posted on 10/24/2003 1:43:46 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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I'm not paying that much to be hassled and then made uncomfortable.

Oh, what you said. That should be tatooed on the forehead of every airline CEO. Earth to the airlines...

10 posted on 10/24/2003 1:45:18 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: leadpencil1
The one problem with flying first class is that besides the pilots you a few of the first at the scene of an accident.
11 posted on 10/24/2003 1:47:19 PM PDT by Rogle
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I would do my best to break your friggin knees

You would think it would be that easy, but its not. Beacuse of the angle of my upper legs to their seat back, it's almost impossible to move my legs if I don't want them to move. I've had people turn around and ask me to move my legs, and I ask them to kindly tell me where to put them (no, not there). They just turn around and shut up after that.

12 posted on 10/24/2003 1:48:26 PM PDT by leadpencil1 (Kill your television)
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To: leadpencil1
How will anyone know the difference? The seats only recline a couple inches anyway. ;^)
13 posted on 10/24/2003 1:48:32 PM PDT by Some hope remaining.
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To: leadpencil1
Exit row, if you have to fly and are lucky enough to get it, is the best way to go

Maybe it's just me, but the last few times that I requested exit row seats I was pulled aside for the 'random' extra search at the gate.

14 posted on 10/24/2003 1:48:35 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: leadpencil1
You have been fortunate so far. However I think your behavior is very rude.
15 posted on 10/24/2003 1:49:36 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (I think, therefore I vote Republican, see Tommy Chong's new movie, "Up in Jail")
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Maybe it's just me, but the last few times that I requested exit row seats I was pulled aside for the 'random' extra search at the gate.

I'll see if that happens next time I fly. Hasn't yet.

16 posted on 10/24/2003 1:50:18 PM PDT by leadpencil1 (Kill your television)
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To: leadpencil1
I checked out how this thing works at the guys site and it is a pretty clever invention, but I'm not so sure it's all that great of an idea. It looks like would make it difficult to get the tray table upright quickly and in an emergency it seems like that would be somewhat of a hurdle to get over, especially if that bad boys is wedged in there good and tight.

Plus, if you had one of these things installed and someone needed to get to you for some reason (say you were choking during the inflight meal or something like that), a flight attendant would have to contend with the problem of getting your tray table up to get to you if they needed to.

17 posted on 10/24/2003 1:50:33 PM PDT by sirshackleton
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Not really. There really is no room form me to move my legs out of the way unless I splay them wide open, one knee in the aisle and the other in my seat mates "space".
18 posted on 10/24/2003 1:53:29 PM PDT by leadpencil1 (Kill your television)
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To: leadpencil1
This gadget will never fly.
19 posted on 10/24/2003 1:53:30 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
lol!
20 posted on 10/24/2003 1:54:35 PM PDT by leadpencil1 (Kill your television)
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