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Senate decorum crumbles (Wisconsin State Senate - Dems Gone Wild)
Wisconsin State Journal ^ | 10-24-03 | hil Brinkman State government reporter

Posted on 10/24/2003 3:41:24 PM PDT by Indy Pendance

Republican leaders of the state Senate ordered two Democratic members to write letters of apology Thursday, a day after the pair angrily disrupted a vote on a controversial school-choice provision.

The squabble, which some feared might come to blows, also prompted Senate Majority Leader Mary Panzer, R-West Bend, to invoke a rarely used rule limiting debate on future issues to two comments of no more than five minutes each.

That provoked another storm of protest by Democrats, bringing legislative activity to a crawl and pushing off until today a vote on a closely watched bill to end Wisconsin's 130-year ban on carrying concealed weapons.

After a brief cooling-off period, lawmakers took up the school choice bill again Thursday. But when Republicans ended debate after about two hours, Democrats retaliated by invoking another rare procedure to delay voting on other bills.

The meltdown started late Wednesday as legislators were debating an amendment to a bill to expand Milwaukee's private school choice program. The amendment, by Sen. Gwendolynne Moore, D-Milwaukee, addressed eligibility for the program.

Moore, who had spoken nine times on an earlier amendment, rose to address the amendment a second time just as Sen. Alberta Darling, R-River Hills, moved to reject the provision.

Sen. Bob Welch, R-Redgranite, who was filling in as Senate president, then ordered the chief clerk to begin calling the roll. Moore began shouting down the vote in a riotous outburst lasting several minutes, according to a tape of the incident.

"I got the floor," Moore said at one point. "How dare you cut me off in the middle of debate on my amendment."

Sen. Tim Carpenter, D-Milwaukee, then came to Moore's defense, also shouting at Welch to recognize her. Because their microphones had been cut off, most of what the two said was unclear.

Carpenter then rushed to the front of the chamber, grabbed the clerk's microphone and tossed it at Panzer.

The two were ushered off the floor and, after the body voted to expunge the incident from the official record, offered guarded apologies. The Senate adjourned for the day shortly afterward.

At a special meeting of the Senate leadership Thursday, Panzer pushed through a resolution ordering the two to issue a written apology. Panzer, whose father, Frank Panzer, served as Senate president pro tempore for 18 of his 38 years in the Legislature, said the outburst was unbefitting the decorous chamber.

Senators rejected calls to censor the two, a more severe penalty.

"The Senate failed last night. They failed badly," Panzer said. "I am simply not willing under my watch as majority leader to allow this kind of activity to continue.

"The dignity of this institution was trashed."

Senate Minority Leader Jon Erpenbach, D-Middleton, said Carpenter and Moore regretted their actions. But he said the resolution unfairly singled out the two Democrats. Erpenbach said Welch was equally to blame for turning his back on Moore and refusing to recognize her.

"Rules were broken yesterday. There's no doubt about that," Erpenbach said. "But they were broken by more than just two members and by members of both sides of the aisle."

Carpenter and Moore continued to temper their apologies Thursday, saying they were being made scapegoats for their opposition to school choice.

In a letter to Assistant Chief Clerk Donna Doyle, Carpenter said members of both parties broke the Senate rules. "For being one of them, I extend my sincere and heartfelt apology to the Senate."

In a nearly identical letter, Moore expressed "sincere regrets" and repeated remarks she'd made the night before.

"I was raised by parents who taught me Christian charity and taught me to behave and I am not proud when I am disruptive in the body."

In comments later, Moore said Welch went to the podium "with the express intent of disrespecting me" and asked for her own letter of apology.

Moore insisted the only rule she broke was stepping away from her desk while the roll was being called.

"I don't owe them an apology for asserting my rights to speak on the floor of the state Senate," Moore said. "I'm elected. I know they don't think I ought to be here, but I am."


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1 posted on 10/24/2003 3:41:25 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
I would love to see "Dems Gone Wild" become a FR 'feature', the way "Hold Muh Beer" has. Because Dems are flipping out all over the place.
2 posted on 10/24/2003 3:44:19 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: Indy Pendance
If the republicans can grow spines in Wisconsin, then maybe there is hope for the ones in D.C.
3 posted on 10/24/2003 3:45:17 PM PDT by snopercod (I am waiting for the rebirth of wonder.)
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To: William McKinley
I'll second that.
We've seen this in:

Florida
Minnesota
Texas
California

Now Wisconsin!

4 posted on 10/24/2003 3:48:26 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: William McKinley
Why don't you start a column, "Dems gone wild" and we can post their antics? It would be interesting. As Rush said, nothing is funnier than a dem out of power.
5 posted on 10/24/2003 3:48:53 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
Moore said. "I'm elected. I know they don't think I ought to be here, but I am."


Why would she think that?
6 posted on 10/24/2003 3:49:06 PM PDT by deport
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To: Indy Pendance
Dems Gone Wild

Misleading title. This story contains no nudity or gratuitous lesbian scenes :-)

7 posted on 10/24/2003 3:50:21 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (demonstrating absurdity with absurdity)
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To: Zathras
When I read about sad incidents like this, two words I deeply disrespect come to mind-billy klinton.
8 posted on 10/24/2003 3:51:22 PM PDT by Republic
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To: snopercod
I'm so frustrated with our two 'fine' senators. Feingold will be up for re-election, and there are at least 2 decent contenders, with enough money to give him a good fight. Both these morons voted for against the partial birth abortion bill, both are on the "Dream" committee and voted for it. And of course, campaign finance reform. That's the short list.
9 posted on 10/24/2003 3:51:30 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: deport
She's a Cynthia McKinney wanna be.
10 posted on 10/24/2003 3:52:42 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: William McKinley
Funny how they always accuse the Republicans of being the party of the "angry white man", when rage seems to be the only thing the Rat Party stands for these days...
11 posted on 10/24/2003 3:52:46 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: dubyaismypresident
But they're in favor of all that....
12 posted on 10/24/2003 3:53:21 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
Republican leaders of the state Senate ordered two Democratic members to write letters of apology Thursday, a day after the pair angrily disrupted a vote on a controversial school-choice provision.

I sumbit that these were insufficient forms of apology.

Seppuku, on the other hand...

13 posted on 10/24/2003 3:54:27 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Serving You... on Operation Noble Eagle!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Misleading title. This story contains no nudity or gratuitous lesbian scenes :-)

They never go that far on the floor.

They save that for when they causcus...

14 posted on 10/24/2003 3:55:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: dubyaismypresident
*caucus


sheesh...
15 posted on 10/24/2003 3:56:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
caucus

Definition: What Democrats do to the American tax-payer.

16 posted on 10/24/2003 4:00:18 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (demonstrating absurdity with absurdity)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Sure there's nudity: boobs and complete a**es.
17 posted on 10/24/2003 4:01:19 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness
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To: steveegg
Your ping list is needed here.
18 posted on 10/24/2003 4:01:29 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: William McKinley
I would love to see "Dems Gone Wild" become a FR 'feature'...

I second the suggestion, sir!

19 posted on 10/24/2003 4:10:47 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: JeanS
Thanks!
20 posted on 10/24/2003 4:22:16 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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