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Doctors defend life for Schiavo
St. Petersburg Times ^ | October 25, 2003 | WILLIAM R. LEVESQUE

Posted on 10/25/2003 5:42:23 AM PDT by NYer

PINELLAS PARK - She smiles and cries. She recognizes her mom and dad. She is shy around strangers. She likes music and once smiled broadly when her brother told her he met Bruce Springsteen.

This is Terri Schiavo in the eyes of her family.

Mrs. Schiavo's family, doctors for the family and former caregivers held a news conference Friday to counter assertions by the husband, Michael Schiavo, that Terri is in a vegetative state and has no consciousness.

"It doesn't take a doctor to know that my sister reacts to me," said Mrs. Schiavo's brother, Bobby Schindler Jr.

"She listens to me," said Mrs. Schiavo's mother, Mary Schindler.

As the family pleaded its case, the American Civil Liberties Union announced it would join in the representation of Michael Schiavo to help overturn "Terri's Law," the measure passed by lawmakers Tuesday that allowed Gov. Jeb Bush to intervene in Mrs. Schiavo's case.

Bush ordered Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube reinserted after she went six days without food and water.

"Once the governor thinks it is the proper role of the Legislature and he set aside the judgment of the courts, that requires us to get the courts to declare that is just unconstitutional," said Howard Simon, executive director of the ACLU of Florida.

Michael Schiavo has said that his wife, 39, would not want to be kept alive by artificial means.

Court-appointed doctors and physicians hired by Michael Schiavo's attorneys have testified that Mrs. Schiavo has no consciousness. They describe her groans, the opening and closing of her eyes and her smiles as involuntary reflexes.

That testimony led a Pinellas-Pasco circuit judge to order her feeding tube removed on Oct. 15 before lawmakers empowered Bush to intervene.

Felos said family members often project meaning from random movements and sounds.

"That's a common phenomenon," he said.

Felos said his doctors and others appointed by the court have watched the family interact with Mrs. Schiavo and have not seen evidence of cognition.

"If you look at the hours of video there are many instances where the mother says "Hi, it's mom' to Terri," Felos said. "There's no reaction. Absolutely nothing."

Mary Schindler doesn't believe it and sees a daughter's love for her family every day.

"My daughter is not in a persistent vegetative state," she said. "She is not a plastic plant like Mr. Felos says she is. She is extremely brain-damaged, and she's a human being."

Bobby Schindler said his sister likes John Denver music and smiles when it plays. Before her brain was severely damaged in 1990, Mrs. Schiavo knew her brother loved Bruce Springsteen music. She bought him a Springsteen album in 1978.

After he told her he met the rock musician a year ago, Schindler said, "There was a smile on her face to light up the room. ... She showed elation."

Three doctors who have examined Mrs. Schiavo for the family said they are convinced that she retains some level of consciousness.

Dr. William Hammesfahr, a Clearwater neurologist, said Mrs. Schiavo's eyes fixate on her family and she tries to follow simple commands, such as when doctors ask her to pull against their arm.

"This is a case about a judicial system making an error," Hammesfahr said.

But Felos said doctors used by the Schindlers, especially Hammesfahr, don't have the credentials of physicians on the other side.

In a 2002 order by Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer ruling that Mrs. Schiavo could not recover, Greer labeled Hammesfahr a "self-promoter."

The judge noted that Hammesfahr testified that he had treated patients worse off than Mrs. Schiavo yet "offered no names, no case studies, no videos and no test results to support his claim."

"There is no doubt the judge looked at the credibility of the doctors," Felos said.

Mrs. Schiavo's sister, Suzanne Carr, said she believes her eyes.

Carr said: "It's not my imagination."


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Dr. John Young, left, Dr. William Maxfield, Robert Schindler Sr. and Dr. William Hammesfahr spoke to the media Friday. "This woman is not in a persistent vegetative state," Young said.
1 posted on 10/25/2003 5:42:24 AM PDT by NYer
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To: luv2lurkhere; Budge; floriduh voter; summer; Coleus; amom; ruoflaw; submarine; cpforlife.org; ...
"This is a case about a judicial system making an error," Hammesfahr said.

Bears repeating!!!

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2 posted on 10/25/2003 5:44:32 AM PDT by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: NYer
"Once the governor thinks it is the proper role of the Legislature and he set aside the judgment of the courts, that requires us to get the courts to declare that is just unconstitutional," said Howard Simon, executive director of the ACLU of Florida."

Oh yes Judaical activism is ok but never should a legislature legislate.


"Court-appointed doctors and physicians hired by Michael Schiavo's attorneys have testified that Mrs. Schiavo has no consciousness"

And of course hand picked doctors wouldn't have a bias..
3 posted on 10/25/2003 5:49:42 AM PDT by Broadside Joe
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To: Broadside Joe
Oh yes JUDICIAL activism is ok but never should a legislature legislate.
4 posted on 10/25/2003 5:53:25 AM PDT by Broadside Joe
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To: NYer
Continued prayers for Terri, her family, Gov Bush, and all supporters that they will prevail for the dignity of all life.
5 posted on 10/25/2003 5:57:05 AM PDT by tioga (Weekends Rule)
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To: NYer
There are many doctors (neurologists, some of who called the Neal Boortz show) who have said this is a persistent vegetative state. Those same doctors said there is no return from a persistent vegetative state. I would suggest doing some diagnostic effort to assess who is correct.

1. I would suggest doing a PET scan to determine the degree of brain damage.

2. An EEG would also give some indication of whether there is any self-awareness.

6 posted on 10/25/2003 6:06:05 AM PDT by punster
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To: NYer
Maxfield and Hammesfahr appear to be in a vegetative state.
7 posted on 10/25/2003 6:12:07 AM PDT by verity
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To: NYer
CNN had a short "legal" discussion on Terri's condition this morning. The ACLU rep said that Gov. Bush's action (ordering the tube reinserted) would be overturned in court Monday. The other attorney (supporting Terri) also agreed it will be overturned quickly.

Any thoughts from legal Freepers on this??
8 posted on 10/25/2003 6:13:59 AM PDT by CedarDave (I'm a recovering environmentalist - does anyone know of a 12-step program I can join?)
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To: NYer
I wouldn't care if she had a stalk growing out of her head and roots growing out of her bottom. You don't actively kill an innocent person, no matter what condition they're in.
9 posted on 10/25/2003 6:37:32 AM PDT by Agnes Heep
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To: punster
This is also shining a light on some areas where many MDs would prefer decisions remained in the hands of experts. There should be a more open debate on what "life" means and when it can be extinguished through a decison to withdraw care.

I would like to have a living will that says "Anyone who unplugs me will be hunted like vermin, and will die in a manner that makes a persistent vegitative state a very attractive alternative."
10 posted on 10/25/2003 6:55:54 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: NYer
As the family pleaded its case, the American Civil Liberties Union announced it would join in the representation of Michael Schiavo to help overturn "Terri's Law," the measure passed by lawmakers Tuesday that allowed Gov. Jeb Bush to intervene in Mrs. Schiavo's case

This explains why Ollie North calls them the "Always Careless with Liberties Union"

11 posted on 10/25/2003 7:01:03 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: punster
There are many doctors (neurologists, some of who called the Neal Boortz show) who have said this is a persistent vegetative state.

I don't think her family is expecting her 'return' from this state. I think they are just saying that even in her state, she is entitled to live life and have the loving support of her parents and siblings. She is obviously NOT getting that from her 'so-called' husband.

12 posted on 10/25/2003 7:03:19 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Agnes Heep
"I wouldn't care if she had a stalk growing out of her head and roots growing out of her bottom. You don't actively kill an innocent person, no matter what condition they're in."

Well put, agreed!


13 posted on 10/25/2003 7:03:55 AM PDT by jocon307 (Proud Member - VRWC!)
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Why was it necessary to put this on every state group?
14 posted on 10/25/2003 7:05:42 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: NYer
The only way to prove that Terri is in a a vegetative state is to give the family two years to provide therapy that Michael has refused, and show the court that she indeed can improve. At the end of two years, either Terri will be the same, or worse, or you will see improvement.

Had Michael used the same monetary resources, in proving that she was beyond help, that he has paid to the attorney to convince the courts that she was beyond help, I don't think you would have seen the same court battles.

I imagine that Michael started this court battle either because of greed or guilt, never imagining that at the end of the battle he would not profit financially or at least be absolved of having anything to do with her present condition. If Terri gets better - she might be able to tell someone what really happened that night.

Oh but what a tangled web we weave - if at first we do deceave.
15 posted on 10/25/2003 7:14:38 AM PDT by ODDITHER
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To: NYer
"In a 2002 order by Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer ruling that Mrs. Schiavo could not recover,"

Neither can Steven Hawking. (severe muscular dystrophy). This man cannot care for himself at all, yet won a Nobel Prize.

I dont know her brain state, but it seems beyond callous and cruel to kill a woman whose OWN PARENTS want to save and care for.

The husband is an absolute lout. He should divorce her and let the parents take the daughter they love under their care.



16 posted on 10/25/2003 7:25:22 AM PDT by WOSG (QUESTION STUPIDITY!)
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To: eno_
There are questions of quality of life. I went through much the same questions when my father died in 1985. He had terminal leukemia. The question was whether we could continue to give chemotherapy and put him on life support. The doctors told us that his life would be HELL, doing that. The family decided that it was much more humane to let him go. Anyway, his death was inevitable.

In Terri Schiavo's case, her personality is gone. All that is left is an empty automaton. It hardly seems a dignified way to live.
17 posted on 10/25/2003 7:25:59 AM PDT by punster
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To: ODDITHER
So what did happen 'that night'?
18 posted on 10/25/2003 7:26:28 AM PDT by WOSG (QUESTION STUPIDITY!)
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To: NYer
She likes music and once smiled broadly when her brother told her he met Bruce Springsteen.

That's irony for you.

It's people like Springsteen and his ilk that want to kill the poor woman.

19 posted on 10/25/2003 7:29:47 AM PDT by gg188
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To: SuziQ
I think my post to eno answers your questions. Dealing with a situation like this is not an easy answer for the people involved. If we grant that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state, as a number of doctors have stated, she will never get better. She certainly will have no conscious awareness of anything.

The sad thing is: Terri Schiavo has become a pawn in a political battle.
20 posted on 10/25/2003 7:31:45 AM PDT by punster
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To: WOSG
"In a 2002 order by Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer ruling that Mrs. Schiavo could not recover,"

Neither can Steven Hawking. (severe muscular dystrophy). This man cannot care for himself at all, yet won a Nobel Prize




Exactly right & Hitler would agree with Greer's 'death sentence' for this innocent disabled woman:

Berlin, 1 Sept. 1939

Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. Med. Brandt are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the competence of certain physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment, are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death after a discerning diagnosis.

A. Hitler

21 posted on 10/25/2003 7:34:23 AM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: NYer
As the family pleaded its case, the American Civil Liberties Union announced it would join in the representation of Michael Schiavo to help overturn "Terri's Law," the measure passed by lawmakers Tuesday that allowed Gov. Jeb Bush to intervene in Mrs. Schiavo's case.

A good statement to cinch the attitudes of those in doubt about the ACLU's directives and motivations.

Perhaps this will change the mind's of the "intellectually challanged" who may have financially supported them in the past.

22 posted on 10/25/2003 7:36:46 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: eno_
I would like to have a living will that says "Anyone who unplugs me will be hunted like vermin, and will die in a manner that makes a persistent vegitative state a very attractive alternative."

All it would take is someone to conveniently lose your living will, and your "guardian" can choose to starve you to death. What states still don't do this? I'd be afraid to even vacation in Florida, the way things are turning out.

23 posted on 10/25/2003 7:36:49 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Broadside Joe; NYer; WOSG; ODDITHER; JulieRNR21
IMP Dr. Michael Baden, forensic pathogist, who finally got info from Terri's initial injuries -- in interview w/Greta Van Susteren ontherecord@foxnews.com -- pls pass this on. THANKS, FL engineer for transcription

Also -- a witness in Terri's room says that Terri was dressed inappropriately in warm clothes (TURTLENECK! ) w/blankets on her bed on Sat, Sun, and Mon. The world believes Terri is being kept comfortable, this is a 'peaceful death process'. The world needs to wake up -- and I hope this will help:

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1007658/posts?page=110

Transcript of Greta's "On the Record" - Schiavo segment - Friday 10-24-03

Greta: And now for a medical condition sparking national controversy, Terri Schiavo, of Florida, has been been in a vegetative state since collapsing in 1990, from what doctors say was a potassium imbalance, that stopped her heart.

Greta: But according to the Orlando Sentinel, Terri's family says a doctor who at their request, reviews Schiavo's medical records, found she was admitted to the emergency room, with a "rigid neck".

Greta: Forensic Pathologist, Dr. Michael Baden joins us from New York.

Dr.Baden: Hi,

Greta: Welcome, Dr. Baden,

Dr.Baden: Hi,

Greta: Dr. Baden, a potassium imbalance... lets first talk about... if you had a potassium deficiency, can that cause the condition that Terri Schiavo had?

Dr.Baden: Umm, CAN, but UNLIKELY.

Dr.Baden: Potassium is very interesting , its probably the most lethal poison we have when it is injected rapidly, and thats why its the poison that kills people in capital punisment by lethal injection.

Dr.Baden: And it stops the heart from beating properly. Too much of it. But also, too little of it, hypo-potassium, can also cause the heart to stop beating properly, and lead to lack of blood flow to the brain, and death of brain cells by lack of oxygen.

Greta: All right, would it, would it...

Dr.Baden: But thats very unusual Greta, extremely unusual.

Greta: A normal healthy woman, ahh, I assume would have no reason for instance, to take potassium supplements unless perhaps she was on a dieuretic, or had some other medication that would cause a potassium depetion. Is that right?

Dr.Baden: That is correct.

Greta: All right. Um, is there any explanation in your mind, and I realize you were not her treating physician, but why would a woman her age have a potassium, umm, imbalance?

Dr.Baden: Extremely unlikely..., unless she had certain kinds of diseases, which she doesn't have. She was in her 20's... the reason she is in the state she is in is because there was a period of time, maybe 5 minutes or 8 minutes when not enough oxygen was going to her brain. That can happen when the heart stops for 5 or 8 minutes, but she had a healthy heart from what we can see.

Dr.Baden: The other thing though...

Greta: (interrupting)

Dr.Baden: I'm sorry, Greta?

Greta: No, go ahead...

Dr.Baden: Your staff has provided me with a bone scan that you guys obtained... ummm, from her initial admission, in 1991 to the hospital. And that bone scan describes her as having a head injury.. thats why she's there..., thats why she's getting a bone scan. And a head injury can cause, umm, can lead to the vegetative state that Schiavo is in now,

Dr.Baden: ...and it does show evidence that there are OTHER injuries, other bone fractures, that are in the healing stage. So thats...

Greta: Alright, alright, let me back up for a second... head injuries... Could she have had, umm, could she have passed out from a potassium imbalance, causing you know, falling, hitting her head, head injury. Is that what you're talking about... or are you suggesting some sort of pre-existing injury to her passing out...

Dr.Baden: Something... something totally different. That its extremely rare, for a 20-year old to have a cardiac arrest, umm, from low potassium, who has no other diseases.

Dr.Baden: So the other issue, is could it have been due to some other cause? which is raised by the family, HAS to be looked at.

Greta: Alright, in the 20 seconds we have left... other injuries... bone injuries... what does that suggest to you?

Dr.Baden: That... some kind of trauma. The trauma could be from an auto accident, the trauma could be from a fall, OR the trauma could be from some kind of a BEATING that she obtained from somebody, somewhere.

Dr.Baden: Umm, its something that SHOULD have been investigated in 1991, when these findings were, ahh... found...

Greta: ...were fresh.

Dr.Baden: yes, And maybe they were. Maybe they were investigated by the police at that time.

Greta: Alright, thats it, Michael Baden, thank you

Dr.Baden: Thank you.

110 posted on 10/24/2003 10:30 PM PDT by FL_engineer (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
24 posted on 10/25/2003 7:41:05 AM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: floriduh voter; phenn; JulieRNR21; pc93
Terri needs an advocate. She needs to be out of that hellish hospice YESTERDAY.

There is a Judge Sexton in Tampa -- a guardianship judge. She receives gov't grants to visit wards of the state, those under guardianship -- that is her job, she has the $$, seems to have a good reputation. She understands the laws of the state designed to protect the disabled, and will uphold them.

How can we get her in on this? and ACLJ -- any more on them getting into this? PLS pass these questions on thanks. prayers and work continue for Terri.
25 posted on 10/25/2003 7:46:59 AM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: drlevy88
That's why choosing your attorney and guardian is an important decision. Mrs. Schiavo's case illustrates that very well, but she could also have had some backup protection.
26 posted on 10/25/2003 7:49:22 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: eno_
Yes, I know... and it is something I will look into ASAP... but it still rankles me that the default is becoming to starve. Papers can be lost or misplaced or destroyed in an accident; people can travel to regions far away from their homes (and lawyers). If I was in a state like Terri's, would I be as "unaware" as all these death doctors are claiming? Based on stories told by some people who have been in prolonged comas, I wouldn't want to count on it.
27 posted on 10/25/2003 7:53:10 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: NYer
Thanks for the heads up!
28 posted on 10/25/2003 7:53:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: cyn
Greta has got to be the worst interviewer in the world. She is constantly interupting and stepping all over her guests train of thought, injecting her own inanities instead.

Why FOX keeps her on is beyond me. I usually refuse to watch her.

29 posted on 10/25/2003 8:01:18 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: punster
It is difficult to see a loved one die in pain. I'm sorry you had to go through that. However I'm not sure what your experience has to do with Terri. She is not terminal. She is not in pain. The decision is not about witholding chemotherapy. It's about witholding food and water from a patient who requires care.
30 posted on 10/25/2003 8:14:46 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: CedarDave
Let the societal engineering judges overturn the law from the legislature--the socialist Florida judicial oligarchy courts have allowed the violation of Terri's federal and state constitutional rights to proceed anyway. Then, let the pondscum on the benches try to enforce their scoialist bilge spittle!

If there were any doubts in folks minds as to why the democrats obstruct and obfuscate over judge appointments, this should be a damn clear wakeup call that the democrat criminal enterprise wants to mutate this nation using the only means to engineer us they have left, the societal engineering courts! Time for democrats to ALL go. Then we hold the pubby's feet to the fire until they legislate as the people demand!

31 posted on 10/25/2003 8:20:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: eno_
I want a living will stating to keep me plugged into everything. I'm afraid they'll find the cure the day after I'm unplugged.
I'm sure they would consider me a useless eater, since I'm retired and on the puter all day.
32 posted on 10/25/2003 8:24:04 AM PDT by pickyourpoison
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To: punster
You pontificated, All that is left is an empty automaton. It hardly seems a dignified way to live. Prove it, no, don't asseret that thus and such doctor has said this or that, prove that Terri is not still in her body, prove that being alive and loved is not dignified.

Neal Boortz has shown himself to be a bigger ass than I ever thought was possible. He's as bad as the damn democrats, as imperial in his thinking as Stalin. And he's flat wrong, as a human being.

33 posted on 10/25/2003 8:27:02 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: cyn
I have emailed your query re: Judge Sexton to someone who sends me updates.

Will get back to you if I get a response.

34 posted on 10/25/2003 8:29:40 AM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: pickyourpoison
LOL You are a VERY dangerous human being, helping to turn the country around, you will surely be on their list, as will we all! Sure am thankful Al Gore invented the internet.
35 posted on 10/25/2003 8:32:38 AM PDT by trustandobey (I SUPPORT LIFE)
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To: MHGinTN
How right you are. I can't help thinking if any of these people were ever put in similar circumstances wouldn't they be fighting for the best quality of life they could have? Christopher Reeve sure changed his mind. His first thought was I want to die, then it became what can I do to fight this? I am so ashamed he hasn't taken up Terri's cause, he could really help.
36 posted on 10/25/2003 8:36:16 AM PDT by trustandobey (I SUPPORT LIFE)
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To: punster
Your suggestions on what tests to do would be well accepted by anyone who wishes to see the truth. But unfortunately, it appears that this poor woman's husband does not want such discovery to take place. Three nurses who have cared for this woman have come forward with sworn testimony that Michael Schiavo refused to allow his wife to recieve even the most basic forms of therapy, such as allowing her to attempt to eat jello or placing a washcloth in her hand to prevent her hand from closing in on itself.

The fact that a lawyer and an uncaring husband say she is in a "vegatative state", does not make it so. If she has Alpha and Beta wave activity, can recognize words and faces, and can communicate through speech, then this is a disabled person, not a comatose person or a vegatative person.

Withholding food from her would be akin to withholding food from a mute quadrepalegic. After all, they can't move or speak to defend themselves, so why should they live. Right?

37 posted on 10/25/2003 8:39:34 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: EternalVigilance
Ping!
38 posted on 10/25/2003 8:41:07 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: punster
There is a big difference in Terri and your dad. She's not terminal. Her life wouldn't have to be hell. Just because you wouldn't want to live like that, doesn't mean she doesn't appreciate life. She has shown that she has a very strong will to live. People don't just hang onto life when they are ready to die.

"In Terri Schiavo's case, her personality is gone. All that is left is an empty automaton. It hardly seems a dignified way to live. "

And that sounds like it came straight out of the scummy attourney's mouth.
39 posted on 10/25/2003 8:41:48 AM PDT by honeygrl (All of the above is JUST MY OPINION)
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To: WOSG
Neither can Steven Hawking. (severe muscular dystrophy). This man cannot care for himself at all, yet won a Nobel Prize.

On the other hand he is clearly conscious. With Terri, that is an open question at best.

40 posted on 10/25/2003 8:50:30 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: CedarDave
Any thoughts from legal Freepers on this??

Another legal question:

If the so-called "husband" already has a second common-law marriage complete with one kid and another one on the way, wouldn't Terri's parents have a strong case for petitioning to annul Terri's marriage?

The conflict of interest is obvious. Imagine if Terri were to regain some of her faculties with therapy. What would Hubby say to Terri?

"Terri, I'd like you to meet my common-law wife and our two kids.....Well, not our kids as in "you and I" ours......They're our kids as in "her and I" ours ......And....uhhh....We have a nice house....Well, not "you and I" have a house but "we", which has not included you, have a house and.....uhhhhh.......Terri, I'm divorcing you.

41 posted on 10/25/2003 9:08:45 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
From what I have read, he's brought the little mistress to meet his wife. Kinda heartless isn't it?
42 posted on 10/25/2003 9:14:10 AM PDT by honeygrl (All of the above is JUST MY OPINION)
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"...But Felos said doctors used by the Schindlers, especially Hammesfahr, don't have the credentials of physicians on the other side..."

I thought I'd check into this a bit and see for myself. FWIW

Hammesfahr's Bio
http://www.medforum.com/jobline-srch/lifeline/cv/hammeswm.htm

Image of Hammersahr's Nobel nomination
http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/images/nobel_nomination8.gif

list of articles written by Hammersahr.
http://www.floridaneurologicalinstitute.com/articles.htm

A couple of favorable stories about patients of Hammersahr using Hammersahr's approach.
http://www.unmc.edu/healthwatch/docs/scripts/reverse.htm

In Oct 2002, he was under investigation for his advertising methods (thanks to MS's atty it seems) "...Identical complaints about his advertising filed in previous years have been found to be without merit by the Board of Medicine..."
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/22/TampaBay/Schiavo_case_doctor_t.shtml
43 posted on 10/25/2003 9:24:18 AM PDT by amom
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To: All
my apologizes if my post above has already been covered.
44 posted on 10/25/2003 9:25:16 AM PDT by amom
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To: cyn
Michael Schiavo has a lot of explaining to do - if what this doctor says is true.

Hopefuly the angle of culpability on the part of this scum's role in Terri's condition will be investigated thoroughly.

What other reason could there be for his relentless fixation to see her dead and cremated?

45 posted on 10/25/2003 9:27:44 AM PDT by eleni121
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To: honeygrl
Michael Schiavo enjoys tormenting his ward. She is the perfect victim for him to play with. Read m. Scott Peck's, People Of The Lie to get a clear picture of the type of monster Michael Schiavo is. Peck's book is quite revealing! You will see the demonic Michael Schiavo in those pages.
46 posted on 10/25/2003 9:29:35 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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The SCOTUS had no objection to the Connecticut legislature's exercising a judicial function and ordering a new trial in a will contest, setting aside a judicial decree, in CALDER v. BULL, 3 U.S. 386 (1798) .
47 posted on 10/25/2003 9:30:01 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: amom
Impressive research on Hammesfahr. What about Felos' doctors?

Important to remember in evaluating truth claims. Focus on the issues that are verifiable and inarguable.

1. Has any rehab been done?
2. Has the husband demonstrated in his actions the regard for his wife's wishes and other promises he may have made?
3. Where experts have expressed opinions is that opinion always the same, i.e. if pro-life then knee-jerk pro-life or if pro-death likewise?
4. Is there demonstrated in the actions of those responsible for her care a respect and regard for the comfort and health of Mrs. Schiavo?

Having ascertained to the best of our ability the plain facts of the case perhaps we should propose Solomon's solution. As both Mr. Schiavo and Mrs. Schiavo's parents have declared an interest in controlling Terri's future a wise judge could offer to cut her in half so that both sides might have her. The one who loves her enough to give her up gets to keep her.
48 posted on 10/25/2003 9:49:37 AM PDT by aloysius89 (as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: punster
In Terri Schiavo's case, her personality is gone. All that is left is an empty automaton. It hardly seems a dignified way to live.

Actually, that may not be the case. Below is a link to an article I posted several days ago. It's a study of brain scans of people in a PVS. Very interesting. Basically, even the "learned" doctors don't really know what's going on in there.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005899/posts Please click on this link to get to the link to the rest of the article

"Daniel Rios is 24 years old, with wavy black hair, a thick mustache and a glassy stare that seems to look both at you and through you. One day almost four years ago, while he was taking a shower, a blood vessel ruptured in his brain, and he collapsed on the bathroom floor. After emergency surgery, he lay in a coma for three weeks. When he finally opened his eyes, he could not speak or move his body; his head simply lolled. In the months that followed, the doctors monitoring him at the Center for Head Injuries at the J.F.K. Johnson Rehabilitation Institute in Edison, N.J., saw few signs that he had any meaningful mental life. Sometimes he looked as if he were crying. Other times his eyes would follow a mirror passed before his face. On his best days he was able to close his eyes on command. But those days were rare. For the most part he lay unresponsive, adrift in a neurological twilight. "

"One morning just over a year after his accident, Rios was taken to the Sloan Kettering Institute on Manhattan's East Side. There, in a dim room, a group of researchers placed a mask over his eyes, fixed headphones over his ears and guided his head into the bore of an M.R.I. machine. A 40-second loop of a recording made by Rios's sister Maria played through the headphones: she told him that she was there with him, that she loved him. As the sound entered his ears, the M.R.I. machine scanned his brain, mapping changes in activity. Several hours afterward, two researchers, Nicholas D. Schiff and Joy Hirsch, took a look at the images from the scan. They hadn't been sure what to expect -- Rios was among the first people in his condition to have his brain activity measured in this way -- but they certainly weren't expecting what they saw. ''We just stared at these images,'' recalls Schiff, an expert in consciousness disorders at Weill Medical College of Cornell University. ''There didn't seem to be anything missing.'' "

"As the tape of his sister's voice played, several distinct clusters of neurons in Rios's brain had fired in a manner virtually identical to that of a healthy subject. Some clusters that became active were those known to help process spoken language, others to recall memories. Was Rios recognizing his sister's voice, remembering her? ''You couldn't tell the difference between these parts of his brain and the brain of one of my graduate students,'' says Hirsch, an expert in brain imaging at Columbia University. Even the visual centers of Rios's brain had come alive, despite the fact that his eyes were covered. It was as if his sister's words awakened his mind's eye."

49 posted on 10/25/2003 9:50:03 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (There are no atheists in the foxholes!!)
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To: MHGinTN
Yes-I just reread that book, what a great point. Definitely a worthwhile read and very eye-opening.
50 posted on 10/25/2003 9:59:12 AM PDT by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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