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To: PushForBush2004
The reason should not be hard to grasp. Our economic system depends upon never-ending growth, yet we live in a world with finite resources. Our expectation of progress is, as a result, a delusion.

This is the stupidest thing I've read in a while. You can get growth by more efficient use of resources, however 'finite'. My flat-panel monitor uses a fraction of my old crt-based one, meaning I get far more display time for a unit of energy. That's replicated throughout our economy. Not to mention that we get increasingly good at locating and exploiting resources, deep-water oil drilling being one example. Consequently, the costs of those resources keeps going down as Julian Simon's bet with Paul Ehrlich made clear. Disregard anything this dope has to say.

16 posted on 10/25/2003 11:59:00 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
This is the stupidest thing I've read in a while.

In an sense it is. But the Malthusian delusion holds an intuitive grip on the minds of lots of pretty smart people.

It's difficult to explain how positive feedback into a complex system throws all of the assumptions about resource limitations of the system out the window. When the positive feedback comes from smart people who can make money by solving problems, Malthusian limits--however intuitive--have never panned out. What works for lemmings doesn't seem to work for humans.

History is full of failures of the predictive power of Malthus' thinking. Our task is explaining why to folks who are satisfied with their zero-sum intuition.

51 posted on 10/25/2003 12:29:32 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: John Jorsett
You can get growth by more efficient use of resources, however 'finite'.

Lots of conservatives don't know this either.

86 posted on 10/25/2003 1:59:31 PM PDT by Moonman62
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