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Returning Troll Zotted! Capitalism is not even mathematically possible, let alone biologically viabl
http://www.monbiot.com/ ^ | George Monbiot

Posted on 10/25/2003 11:42:31 AM PDT by PushForBush2004

With the turning of every year, we expect our lives to improve. As long as the economy continues to grow, we imagine, the world will become a more congenial place in which to live. There is no basis for this belief. If we take into account such factors as pollution and the depletion of natural capital, we see that the quality of life peaked in the United Kingdom in 1974 and in the United States in 1968, and has been falling ever since. We are going backwards.

The reason should not be hard to grasp. Our economic system depends upon never-ending growth, yet we live in a world with finite resources. Our expectation of progress is, as a result, a delusion.

This is the great heresy of our times, the fundamental truth which cannot be spoken. It is dismissed as furiously by those who possess power today -- governments, business, the media - as the discovery that the earth orbits the sun was denounced by the late mediaevel Church. Speak this truth in public and you are dismissed as a crank, a prig, a lunatic.

Capitalism is a millenarian cult, raised to the status of a world religion. Like communism, it is built upon the myth of endless exploitation. Just as Christians imagine that their God will deliver them from death, capitalists believe that theirs will deliver them from finity. The world's resources, they assert, have been granted eternal life.

The briefest reflection will show that this cannot be true. The laws of thermodynamics impose inherent limits upon biological production. Even the repayment of debt, the pre-requisite of capitalism, is mathematically possible only in the short-term. As Heinrich Haussmann has shown, a single pfennig invested at 5% compounded interest in the year 0 AD would, by 1990, have reaped a volume of gold 134 billion times the weight of the planet. Capitalism seeks a value of production commensurate with the repayment of debt.

Now, despite the endless denials, it is clear that the wall towards which we are accelarating is not very far away. Within five or ten years, the global consumption of oil is likely to outstrip supply. Every year, up to 75 billion tonnes of topsoil are washed into the sea as a result of unsustainable farming, which equates to the loss of around nine million hectares of productive land. As a result, we can maintain current levels of food production only with the application of phosphate, but phosphate reserves are likely to be exhausted within 80 years. Forty per cent of the world's food is produced with the help of irrigation; some of the key aquifers are already running dry as a result of overuse.

One reason why we fail to understand a concept as simple as finity is that our religion was founded upon the use of other people's resources: the gold, rubber and timber of Latin America, the spices, cotton and dyes of the East Indies, the labour and land of Africa. The frontier of exploitation seemed, to the early colonists, infinitely expandable. Now that geographical expansion has reached its limits, capitalism has moved its frontier from space to time: seizing resources from an infinite future.

An entire industry has been built upon the denial of ecological constraints. Every national newspaper in Britain lamented the "disappointing" volume of sales before Christmas. Sky News devoted much of its Christmas Eve coverage to live reports from Brent Cross, relaying the terrifying intelligence that we were facing "the worst Christmas for shopping since 2000". The survival of humanity has been displaced in the newspapers by the quarterly results of companies selling tableware and knickers.

Partly because they have been brainwashed by the corporate media, partly because of the scale of the moral challenge with which finity confronts them, many people respond to the heresy with unmediated savagery. Last week this column discussed the competition for global grain supplies between humans and livestock. One correspondent, a man named David Roucek, wrote to inform me that the problem is the result of people "breeding indiscriminately. ... When a woman has displayed evidence that she totally disregards the welfare of her offspring by continuing to breed children she cannot support, she has committed a crime and must be punished. The punishment? She must be sterilized to prevent her from perpetrating her crimes upon more innocent children."

There is no doubt that a rising population is one of the factors which threatens the world's capacity to support its people, but human population growth is being massively outstripped by the growth in the number of farm animals. While the rich world's consumption is supposed to be boundless, the human population is likely to peak within the next few decades. But population growth is the one factor for which the poor can be blamed and from which the rich can be excused, so it is the one factor which is repeatedly emphasised.

It is possible to change the way we live. The economist Bernard Lietaer has shown how a system based upon negative rates of interest would ensure that we accord greater economic value to future resources than to present ones. By shifting taxation from employment to environmental destruction, governments could tax over-consumption out of existence. But everyone who holds power today knows that her political survival depends upon stealing from the future to give to the present.

Overturning this calculation is the greatest challenge humanity has ever faced. We need to reverse not only the fundamental presumptions of political and economic life, but also the polarity of our moral compass. Everything we thought was good -- giving more exciting presents to our children, flying to a friend's wedding, even buying newspapers -- turns out also to be bad. It is, perhaps, hardly surprising that so many deny the problem with such religious zeal. But to live in these times without striving to change them is like watching, with serenity, the oncoming truck in your path.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
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To: SandyInSeattle
Just post a picture of him, preferably is an "attack" pose.
81 posted on 10/25/2003 1:04:25 PM PDT by PetroniDE (Kitty Is My Master - I Do What She Says)
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To: PetroniDE
Okay! As soon as I wake him up and figure out how to post a picture, that is... he's got himself a nice patch of sunlight on the kitchen floor and he's out for the afternoon.
82 posted on 10/25/2003 1:08:57 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (One of Those Dreaded Federal Employees)
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To: I still care
I think we should all throw out our flush toilets and live off the land in happy healthy harmony, unspoiled by evil capitalism and polluters.

Sure, it sounds so serene until one has a kidney stone, heart problems, or breaks a bone.

One thing we all could gain by living off the land is the lack of knowlege of writings like this, however if one was living off the land one would be more concerned about survival than even communication skills.

Shoot now that I have given it some thought, we would ALL be better off! We wouldn't fight so much about trivial issues for we would be too involved with surviving! We would be arguing and killing for food, not unknown issues like "global warming".

83 posted on 10/25/2003 1:12:13 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: PushForBush2004
I think the author is making a very common mistake in making a prediction based on past action. You take any action and extrapolate out forever and you will get some bizarre results.

Outside forces are always at work.

In the late 1880s the big concern was that they were running out of whale oil. In big cities the biggest pollution problem was horse droppings. If you were to extrapolate both those trends out today we should be sitting in the dark, buried under a mile of horse manure.

It did not happen, why?

Things changed.

Any raw material we use today, will upon it becoming scarce will be replaced with something else, or we will do with out.

To the socialist of the world, me sitting in my nice three bedroom home with two cars, and a fence yard, with a kitchen full of groceries, somehow causes poverty in some third world country.

The socialist can not make anyone wealthy (except for themselves), they can only make everyone poorer.

1968 - I got out of the Army, no education, no training and the only work I could find was a $2.00 an hour minimum wage manual laborer on a construction site.

In the socialist world, that would be where I would be today, but in a capitalistic world, I had the chance to get a education and improve myself.

If 1968 was the year we "peaked" it is because that is around the time that the Great Society was beginning to be felt, and it is still a drag on this country.

As farm land goes I guess he has never heard that in the United States we pay people NOT to plant crops.

84 posted on 10/25/2003 1:16:29 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: PetroniDE
Here's mine, but he's in an "ain't I gorgeous" pose...


85 posted on 10/25/2003 1:44:53 PM PDT by stands2reason ("What you see at fight club is a generation of men raised by women." -- Chuck Palahniuk)
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To: John Jorsett
You can get growth by more efficient use of resources, however 'finite'.

Lots of conservatives don't know this either.

86 posted on 10/25/2003 1:59:31 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: ModelBreaker
In an sense it is. But the Malthusian delusion holds an intuitive grip on the minds of lots of pretty smart people.

The same people have the same faulty belief that more and more government is the solution.

87 posted on 10/25/2003 2:01:48 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: PushForBush2004
If we take into account such factors as pollution and the depletion of natural capital, we see that the quality of life peaked in the United Kingdom in 1974 and in the United States in 1968, and has been falling ever since.

"natural capital"? What a tremendous moron.
88 posted on 10/25/2003 2:01:51 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: PushForBush2004
George Monbiot: BOGIE GNOME ROT
89 posted on 10/25/2003 2:07:31 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: PetroniDE

Silly - The Viking Kitty

In this photo we see Silly at the door when I say "Disruptor"
Silly immediately takes up her position on the desk and contemplates the "ZOT" button
Here, Silly decides that the "ZOT" is in order, and she reaches for the "ZOT" button
Here, Silly advises me of a successful "ZOT" operation.
(click on each image to view a larger pic)
90 posted on 10/25/2003 2:35:54 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: Neil E. Wright
You have a beautiful kitty. I've never seen a white cat with a calico tail before!
91 posted on 10/25/2003 4:22:06 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (One of Those Dreaded Federal Employees)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Yep, she is a pretty kitty! She also eats jerky and "tries" to drink my beer, she's ornery, headstrong, and generally a pain in the butt!!! (Particularly when she's in heat and I won't let her outside!!!!) LOL

±

"The Era of Osama lasted about an hour, from the time the first plane hit the tower to the moment the General Militia of Flight 93 reported for duty."
Toward FREEDOM

92 posted on 10/25/2003 4:33:09 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: PushForBush2004
Damn it! I'm too late for the ZOT! again! :-(
93 posted on 10/25/2003 4:35:07 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: PetroniDE
Love your tagline! So true!! (Excuse me for a moment, Her Majesty wants back in from outside...) ;o)
94 posted on 10/25/2003 4:37:44 PM PDT by Ladysmith (Low-carbing works!! (223.0 (-37.6)))
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To: PushForBush2004
"Our economic system depends upon never-ending growth, yet we live in a world with finite resources."

Some resources, yes. Human ingenuity, never. That's what this dreary nosepicker doesn't acknowledge, and doesn't want to acknowledge, as to do so would argue the primacy of individuals over an authoritarian state run by apparatchiks like himself.
95 posted on 10/25/2003 4:38:38 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: ModelBreaker

Only one thing left to say....

Be Seeing You,

Chris

96 posted on 10/25/2003 4:44:06 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Drop the sushi, clic on my pic, and visit my blog. Or else!")
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To: PushForBush2004
Historical Highlights of 1968

North Korea seized the U.S. Navy ship Pueblo, and held 83 on board as spies.

The Vietcong launched their Tet offensive on South Vietnam.

In France, the nation was paralyzed by protesters and near-revolution in the streets.

At the summer Olympics in Mexico City, black American athletes raised their fists in protest over racism in America and were immediately thrown off the team by the USOC.

Civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr. was gunned down outside of his room at the Lorraine Motel in Memphis, Tennessee.

Back in the states, President Johnson announced he wouldn't run for a second term.

Robert Kennedy threw his hat into the ring, but shortly after winning the California primary in June was assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan.

At the Democratic convention in Chicago, rioting and violence erupted as demonstrators and police clashed on the streets.

Hubert Humphrey won the nomination, but was ultimately defeated by Richard Nixon for the presidency.

The Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia to prevent liberalization, sending troops and tanks to restore communism.

Pop Charts

"Hey Jude" - The Beatles

"Love is Blue" - Paul Mauriat & His Orchestra

"Honey" - Bobby Goldsboro

"(Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay" - Otis Redding

"People Got To Be Free" - The Rascals

"Sunshine Of Your Love" - Cream

"This Guy's In Love With You" - Herb Alpert

"The Good, The Bad And The Ugly" - Hugo Montenegro, His Orchestra and Chorus

"Mrs. Robinson" - Simon & Garfunkel

"Tighten Up" - Archie Bell And The Drells

"Harper Valley P.T.A." - Jeannie C. Riley

"Little Green Apples" - O. C. Smith

"Mony Mony" - Tommy James And The Shondels

"Hello I Love You" - The Doors

"Young Girl" - Gary Puckett And The Union Gap

"Cry Like A Baby" - The Box Tops

"Stone Soul Picnic" - The Fifth Dimension

"Grazin' In The Grass" - Hugh Masakela

"Midnight Confessions" - The Grass Roots

"Dance To The Music" - Sly And The Family Stone

Grammys

Record of the Year: "Mrs. Robinson" - Simon and Garfunkel
Song of the Year: "Little Green Apples" - (music and lyrics by Bobby Russell)
Album of the Year: "By The Time I Get to Phoenix" - Glen Campbell
Best New Artist: Jose Feliciano
Best Contemporary/Pop Vocal, Female: "Do You Know the Way to San Jose" - Dionne Warwick
Best Contemporary/Pop Vocal, Male: "Light My Fire" - Jose Feliciano
Best Contemporary/Pop Vocal, Group: "Mrs. Robinson" - Simon and Garfunkel
Best Soundtrack Album: "The Graduate" - Paul Simon


Sports


World Series - The Detroit Tigers beat the St. Louis Cardinals, 4 games to 3.

Super Bowl III - The New York Jets beat the Baltimore Colts, 16-7.

Basketball Playoffs: The Boston Celtics beat the Los Angeles Lakers, 4 games to 2.
97 posted on 10/25/2003 4:59:11 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: PushForBush2004
Well, it's almost cruel to thrash an idiot such as Monbiot, but there's just something about the smug assurance with which he propounds this hilarious nonsense that demands a thump or two.

He's a classic case of little learning. In this single bloviation he's managed to demonstrate that he is ignorant of economics, biology, geology, and physics, just for starters. Capitalism is not, for example, a "millennarian cult," it is a highly adaptive and flexible means of turning information into wealth. For another example, we've been 10 years short of running out of oil (as he claims) for the last half a century. I'd dearly love to place a large wager with Mr. Monbiot on this issue, say, $10,000, to be decided when I turn the ignition key in 2013. Sucker bet.

But here's the one that takes the cake for sheer aching profundity: The laws of thermodynamics impose inherent limits upon biological production. Uh huh. That's the sort of thing that wows the coeds in the student union building and has the physics professors shaking their heads sadly at the poor sap who flunked freshman calculus. For anyone needing a refresher on the Laws of Thermodynamics, click here. This little bit of important-sounding fluff is wrong from so many angles it's hard to know where to start - for one thing, the earth isn't a closed system, and for another, if the interpretation of the Second Law he's attempting to cite were true life itself would be impossible - the order necessary for biologic activity would appear to defy the trend toward disorder mandated by the Second Law - but only if you're as entirely wrong about your interpretation of that law as Monbiot is in this article.

Well, consider the source. Monbiot will pop up now and again with this sort of superficial pseudointellectualism and "prove" that something that exists and is functioning before one's very eyes is impossible. At which point you just shake your head that asininity can still provide a living wage plucked from the credulous and pocketed by the glib, and turn the page.

98 posted on 10/25/2003 5:09:10 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Miss Marple
How old are you? I LIVED in 1968 and it was no picnic, let me tell you!

I was an adult in 1968.

1968 was right about when things started to nose-dive and they haven't stopped nose-diving since (actually, culture--in decline since the late 19th cent--seriously began to nose-dive when the Beatles made their appearance in the early/mid 60's).

So let's make it 1960, then.

Yep. I'd rather live in an America permanently frozen in the year 1960.

And as for the more primitive 1960 medicine, no problem.

Just don't eat like a pig, stop smoking, get exercise--

And you'd probably live longer with 1960's medicine than you would eating like a pig, smoking, and sitting on your butt with today's medicine.

Riots in every capitol and on every American campus

Yes--and they only stopped rioting because they won . . .

which is why today's Republicans sound like 1950's Democrats.

So had I a choice, I'd rather not live in the world those rioters helped to create.

99 posted on 10/25/2003 5:58:17 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: 50sDad
They said in the 1960's that by 1980 we would be living in each other's vest pockets

Well then--if there's so much room, why is real estate so expensive?

They said in the 1960's . . . . all the oil would be gone.

Who's "they"--the same people who are telling you now that we can fit the world's population into Texas with room to spare?

100 posted on 10/25/2003 6:04:17 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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