Continuation for Request of Intervention on behalf of Terri Schiavo

Children of God for Life ^ | 10-27-03 | Debra L. Vinnedge

[syriacus]

"I, Terri Schindler-Schiavo, being over 18 years of age, wish to die horribly by dehydration and have my body burned. About that sacred medallion blessed by the Pope -- sell it and reimburse Michael for the insulin ampules. And, oh yes, when I am receiving the last rites of the Holy Church, be sure to remind the police officers to threaten my aged, saintly priest with arrest if he dares to give me the communion host."

Since there is so much that is "funny" about Michael and Felos, you'd think everyone would realize that it's unlikely that the two guys have Terri's best interests at heart.

Some people just won't catch on, unless Felos and Michael put on tall black hats and big black coats, and then fasten Terri to railroad tracks.

[syriacus]

Keep this info handy

Wonderful work.

I've bookmarked your very useful post as

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1009193/posts?page=179#179

I used the descriptive title
Terri --- Felos and Schiavo statements on Larry King 10/27/03 by cpforlife.org

So my bookmark is

Terri --- Felos and Schiavo statements on Larry King 10/27/03 by cpforlife.org

Thank you.

[syriacus]

Nothing presented in this case is incontrovertable; hence my long-standing position that we should butt out.

If someone's grandparents point out ways in which their granddaughter's life is put at risk by her parents, I would want a full investigation, even if the girl's father says, "I am not abusing my child."

I would not want to rely on a visually handicapped, obstinate, and dismissive judge's decisions or on the non-decisions of other judges who don't want to get involved, and who say, "Let George do it."

Call me nosy, if you must, it won't hurt my feelings.

[TigersEye]

Bottom line for me can be boiled down to 2 points:

1: I wouldn't want to live like this, This is about Terri Schiavo not you. If 'I,I,I' and 'me, me, me' are what it's all about for you you might want to start a vanity thread like this.

2: Nothing presented in this case is incontrovertable; If M. Schiavo, Greer and Felos succeed then Terri's death by starvation/dehydration will be incontrovertable. hence my long-standing position that we should butt out. None of us were an intimate part of this relationship, That's nice. IMNHO all Americans have an intimate relationship woven together by The Declaration of Independence ie something, something, something about 'endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness' yada, yada, yada. and for every point in favor of criminal action, prognosis for recovery, etc, there is a point on the other side as well. These 10,000 threads are an excellent place to bring up those points and examine them one by one rather than casually elude to their existence in passing.

[syriacus]

Could that nurse have been the first adulterous affair Michael enjoyed before Jodi Centonze? I would almost bet on it!

But, but, but ...Michael's face showed long-suffering while he was describing the whole month he spent out there.

I'm sure he was totally focussed on Terri's recovery.

Seriously, you'd think someone would be interested enough in the "experimentation" done on Terri's brain, to request an autopsy of her brain if she should die.

Autopsies can be done to check results of experimentation, in order that the medical community can learn from the results, for the good of humanity.

[FR_addict]

"What I heard on Larry King tonight, we haven't had all of the facts. One of which was that Michael took Terri to California for a month, with a nurse, for experimental electrical tests on her brain"

The California trip wasn't new to me. It's been in the threads here.

I've never heard all the details though.

Where he took her? Is it a recommended procedure? Did he have court permission? Why couldn't they have done the procedure in Florida? Probably some new-age treatment, just like his new-age attorney. Did he take his girlfriend and his child out there using Terri's money? While Terri was getting electrodes planted, was it really a vacation for Michael and his girlfriend away from her parent's prying eyes?

I've never heard what the family's response to this claim.

Did you see Greta tonight? She evidently dug though his 1993 disposition and found contradictory statements in his testimony on the very same day.

Did you know the doctors he used to testify about her persistent vegetative state, always testifies that way in court. Supposedly, he said the same thing about a man who later woke up from his "persistent vegetative state", but this man still testifies as an expert.

I've got a feeling the more we find out about Micheal, the more we are going to be surprised at what he got away with.

It is not just the family, but friends of Terri have testified as to what happened that night. One of her friends testified that she wanted to have Terri spend the night, because Terri and Michael were fighting and Terri wanted a divorce, but Terri decided to go home alone and said she would pretend to be asleep when her husband came in.

[FR_addict]

"Seriously, you'd think someone would be interested enough in the "experimentation" done on Terri's brain, to request an autopsy of her brain if she should die.

Autopsies can be done to check results of experimentation, in order that the medical community can learn from the results, for the good of humanity. "

Good point. We could see if there really was some brain experimentation and what type. I wonder how she was before and after "this experimentation".

There should be scans before and after "this experimentation" somewhere in her medical records.

[Modernman]

I've actively tried to keep out of this whole conflict. But,it seems to me that the best approach here is the appointment of an independent, disinterested guardian. I don't buy that the husband is trying to murder his wife, but I also don't buy that he is clear of any conflict here.

[Normally a Lurker]

What is your source for this info?

[TigersEye]

Baloney.

[The Coopster]

It's not about me, or I, necessarily. If you'd cut and pasted my entire point (instead of quoting only the parts that suit you, thus misrepresenting my post), you'd see that my point was to make sure your affairs are in order. If Terri and Michael had done so, than this entire 3-ring circus would have been avoided.

[The Coopster]

Baloney.

Oh, is this the type of specific debate to which you're referring?

[pollywog]

If Michael loved Terri as much as he says he does, why did he allow the G-tube to be inserted in the first place? I thought she said, "No tubes for me," and "I don't want to live hooked up to anything artificial." IMHO, Michael talks out of both sides of his mouth.

GREAT POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[floriduh voter]

Attorney Pat Anderson just stated on Glenn Beck Radio. glennbeck.com that "half a million people on the internet are praying for and helping Terri."

I think Pat Anderson's point was to correct the record that this is solely the religious right. They are part of the half a million folks helping Terri but this cuts across religious, party, ethnic and global lines.

Then they did breaking news. President Bush is holding a presser.

EVERYBODY LOVES TERRI!!!

[tutstar]

Felos said that in Florida PVS is considered 'terminal'
this from here....
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:NVv7xXPO2PUJ:www.acponline.org/chapters/fl/eol_treatment.htm+FL+pvs+considered+terminal+illness&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Table 1 - Definitions
Terminal condition - a condition caused by injury, disease, illness for which there is no reasonable medical probability of recovery and which, without treatment, can be expected to cause death.

End-Stage Condition - a condition caused by injury, disease, or illness, which has resulted in progressively severe and permanent deterioration, and which, to a reasonable degree of medical probability, treatment of the condition would be ineffective.

Persistent Vegetative State - permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

1. The absence of voluntary action or Cognitive behavior of any kind;
2. Inability to communicate or interact Purposefully within environment

765.101 FL STAT (2001)

Any competent adult may designate a health care surrogate or make a living will expressing their wishes regarding withholding/withdrawing medical treatments. The patient's right to refuse treatment continues even when he/she becomes incapacitated.

The actual statutes
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0765/ch0765.htm

(4) "End-stage condition" means an irreversible condition that is caused by injury, disease, or illness which has resulted in progressively severe and permanent deterioration, and which, to a reasonable degree of medical probability, treatment of the condition would be ineffective.

(8) "Incapacity" or "incompetent" means the patient is physically or mentally unable to communicate a willful and knowing health care decision. For the purposes of making an anatomical gift, the term also includes a patient who is deceased.

(10) "Life-prolonging procedure" means any medical procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores, or supplants a spontaneous vital function. The term does not include the administration of medication or performance of medical procedure, when such medication or procedure is deemed necessary to provide comfort care or to alleviate pain.

(12) "Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any kind.

(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment.

(17) "Terminal condition" means a condition caused by injury, disease, or illness from which there is no reasonable medical probability of recovery and which, without treatment, can be expected to cause death.



According to #17 I don't see Felos statement as accurate.

[floriduh voter]

Not just big, THIS IS HUGH!!! Thanks everyone. Keep praying and digging.

If you find something "new" that you have fact checked, please freepmail pc93. I am unavailable the rest of today due to other commitments.

Make sure YOU ONLY freepmail pc93 if you think it's something new and important. Our freepmails are swamped. Research only, please.

[floriduh voter]

Ping. Gee, Felos and MS forgot to mention Free Republic last night on Larry King Alive.

Check this out and see post 1. Mishu.

[Mamzelle]

What's the deal with all the Greek names involved in Terri's fate vis/vis husband Michael?

Felos, Papadakis, and now some new lawyer guy, also with a Greek name.

Schiavos means "your servant"-- but don't know whether it's Greek or Latin. Yet. I'm still looking.

Maybe an odd fact, but Greeks are not so plentiful in regular population. Some club, here?

Nope--not anti-Greek, but you can't help but notice the play list.

[floriduh voter]

Attorney Pat Anderson just said on Glennbeck.com that "half a million people are helping Terri from their computers." I believe the mission to save Terri's life is a miracle in progress. Fregards, FV

[tutstar]

Michael also said there had been Guardian's' (plural) for Terri...only one that I'm aware of and the judge disregarded his findings..

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0765/ch0765.htm

(2) To ensure that such right is not lost or diminished by virtue of later physical or mental incapacity, the Legislature intends that a procedure be established to allow a person to plan for incapacity by executing a document or orally designating another person to direct the course of his or her medical treatment upon his or her incapacity. Such procedure should be less expensive and less restrictive than guardianship and permit a previously incapacitated person to exercise his or her full right to make health care decisions as soon as the capacity to make such decisions has been regained.