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The Real Nelson Mandela for Dummies
www.sierratimes.com ^ | 10. 27. 03 | Anthony C. LoBaido

Posted on 10/28/2003 5:04:29 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

All the world loves Nelson Mandela. He is a saint the world tells us. Nelson Mandela recently told the South African media; ”When I get to heaven, the first thing I am going to do is look up the ANC branch.” (See: “Mandela at 85” by Anthony Sampson in the July 18 to 24 2003 edition of South Africa’s Mail & Guardian.)

Regte? as they say in Afrikaans. “Really?” Jesus told us about those who will cry, “Lord, Lord!” and Jesus will say, “I never knew you.” Jesus also said, “If the light in thine eye be darkness, how great is that darkness.” What does this mean? I believe that Jesus was speaking of people who think they are bringing “light” to the world but their “progress” is really filled with destruction.

Think of the RU-486 abortion pill, late-term abortions advocated at nine months by California Senator Barbara Boxer. Think of Penthouse Magazine. Think of Prozac and the like. Think of John Lennon singing about Mao. Think of Colin Powell feting Vietnam with trade deals. Think of Bill Clinton asking Mainland China to help America “with our (yes, America’s) human rights problems.”

Apparently Mr. Mandela has but two critics on Earth. One is Louis Farakhan. The other is Anthony C. LoBaido.

Farakhan and myself are very different people from different backgrounds. Yet the similar conclusions drawn from such divergent vantage points should tell you something. Mr. Mandela is completely “sold out” to the post-Christian, white-led, transnational, corporate elite and their wicked agenda. I’ll get to that just now.

At his 85th birthday party last summer, Bill Clinton, Naomi “Tripping on acid on the fashion runway” Campbell, Michael “Hang the baby over the balcony” Jackson and other international celebrities toasted Mr. Mandela. What does their character say about him and why is he so comfortable surrounded by them?

If I hung a baby over the balcony of a hotel would you A. Call the police? or B. Invite me to your birthday bash? So, picture Michael Jackson wandering around the birthday party with Nelson. Were people saying, “Quick, hide the babies, Michael is here?” Or maybe, “Board up the windows?” Perhaps, “Get the fire department to spread nets around the bottom of the house?” You know like for suicide jumpers.

Let’s look a bit deeper and Nelson Mandela and the ANC. Let us ponder his statement about heaven as if our own eternal destiny depended on it. Pretend it is “Judgment Day” and you are in Nelson Mandela’s shoes.

A. Nelson Mandela personally has blood on his hands from the “Church Street bombings,” which, if you can believe this, were set off at rush hour to maximize casualties. Nice touch! Killing the women, children and babies was a GREAT idea Nelson. Oh and by the way, did the ANC branch in heaven know about this? But you like to kill babies don’t you? And like Hillary Clinton you are actually obsessed with it. I’ll get to that in a moment.

The Church Street bombing happened despite Mandela’s public statement that the “Armed struggle must be a movement intended to hit at the symbols of oppression and not to slaughter human beings.” Oops!

But at least in his autobiography “Long Walk to Freedom,” Mandela had the courage and sanity to admit that his being hung would have been the logical outcome of his actions. (Possession of enough explosives to blow up half of Johannesburg and a document in his own handwriting on “how to be a good communist” were I suppose, just another case of the Afrikaners “playing the evidence card.” It was like O.J. long before O.J.)

B. Mandela has blood on his hands from the massacre of unarmed Zulus at Shell House, the ANC TAC-HQ. Nelson directly worked to cover that up. Even after prison he showed “the watchers” meaning “those who understand the evil of the ANC” that he was and is STILL just another murderer comfortable with the KGB/Soviets and Maoists.

C. Praised MPLA-led Angola and thus, in effect, its ANC Quatro/Mobokodo gulags. Mbokodo is the Xhosa word for “The grinding stone.” One must read Mwesi Twala’s book “Mbokodo.” The ANC kept their own black cadres in the most brutal and inhumane concentration camps at Quatro. I dare people to read Mbokodo, written by an ex-ANC soldier, and see if they can EVER view Mandela and the ANC the same way again. Oh and by the way, South African President Thabo Mbeki visited this camp and did NOTHING to stop the evil going on there. What does that tell you? My mother had a work for this kind of wickedness. And that word is “E-V-I-L.”

The South African Police Intelligence and the CCB (the CCB or “Civil Cooperation Bureau” were an extension of the old SADF and carried out 225 assassinations of anti-Apartheid activists. The head of the CCB in Western Europe was Luther Eeben Barlow, the head of Executive Outcomes.)

The SAP and CCB got carried away in trying to stop the ANC's communist revolution/wickedness. Instead of bringing light to South Africa, the SAP and CCB carried out their own brand of evil at Vlakplas, the “Flat Place” where people like Steven Biko were killed. It was all evil. Evil. Evil. Evil. Two wrongs never make a right. At Vlakplas ANC types were told, turn and work for us and double agents or we will keep you here in prison for good. Not many people were killed by some were.

On a recent HBO documentary about the TRC or “Truth and Reconciliation Hearings” which were held to look into Apartheid era crimes; all of the murderers, black, white, Christian, Communist, coloured or whatever all came to the same conclusion; they REGRETED killing other people.

Sasha Gear, a South African researcher is presently holding classes in which ex ANC MK cadres and white ex-SADF soldiers, some in the special forces all meet each other and talk about what they did on either side in the Apartheid struggle. All of the ex-combatants agree on one point, it was all for nothing. The ANC elite cares nothing for the ordinary black South Africans. And the old white elite is in league with the new black elite.

What does the Bible say on this? “Put not your trust in princes.”

The only problem today is the world knows about the evils of the Apartheid regime but not about the evils of the ANC. If I had known about Vlakplas I would have joined the ANC. Had I known about Mbokodo I would have joined the old SADF. I think Rodney “Why can’t I drive 80 miles per hour through your quiet, nice neighborhood while smoking crack” King said it best; “Why can’t be all just get along?”

D. Mandela opened up South Africa to becoming the world’s leader of genetically modified foods. This in turn helps the transnational GE food giants like Monsanto, their lobbyists like AfricaBio and their dangerous Brave New World ideals. President Bush Jr. sadly is on board this GE foods bandwagon and this should frighten all normal people. Bush Jr.’s canned speeches on GE foods and promoting them as “famine relief” in Africa are revolting and even sick.

This is how it works: A. Mugabe kills white farmers in Zimbabwe. B. Famine comes. C. UN food relief comes. D. Archer Daniels Midland or some such corporate giant gets UN food relief contract. E. Food relief arrives. F. U.S. goes to court at WTO against the European Union (which stands sanely against GE foods) and says, “WTO look! GE foods saved Africa!) Bush Jr. is on board this disgusting game. He should wake up out of his delusions and stop believing his advisors. This is a part of what I call “Operation Mushroom.” Feed Bush Jr. crap and keep him in the dark.

Honestly, I don’t think potato.com was a ever part of God’s plan. Monsanto and Archer Daniels Midland should not control the world’s seed and food supply. Russia has been caught doing agro-terrorism in the U.S. This was reported in the AP. The potential for agro-terror and world famine is growing exponentially along with GE foods.

But I digress. The point is to show that Mandela was always a key to changing the direction of South Africa to serve the U.S. and UK transnational financial and corporate elite. Under Apartheid only one single GE food patent was given. Now they are handing them out like flies at a barbeque.

E. Mandela legalized abortion in South Africa’s constitution. So the murder of children is now what, a “right” endorsed by the great Mandela and his ANC cronies. It is the only such constitution in the world to dare and establish such a clause. Saint Mandela, got news for you dude, this ain’t gonna fly with The Big Man in the Sky.” You go on believing what you believe and doing what you’re doing and you will have an eternal date with Satan. And since you are 85, time is running out buddy. Hell is real and once you go there, no one is getting out.

You can’t lie to Anthony LoBaido. I know you. I know the ANC. I know about the oil buoy in Soyo Harbor. I know how Mr. David of SONONGOL wanted all of 32 Battalion to transfer from the Pomfret base up to Angola. I know about Plaza 107. I know how the NIA organized the “right wing” AWB-led bombings at the Jan Smuts airport right before the 1994 elections. How else were the bombers caught so fast? The NIA and the police gave them the bombs and target list in advance through covert operatives.

I know why the ANC won’t install up-to-date scanners at the airport in Johannesburg since South Africa is now the transshipment point for 25 percent of the world’s drugs. I know about the “DIRT email bug” and the HANIS Orwellian human ID project. I know how the ANC purposely lied about “losing” evidence in the trial of Dr. Basson. I know why too. I know how the NIA had the evidence all along. I know how the NIA and ANC met in April of 2002 to “deal with the media” on the “loss” of the evidence. Have you no shame? Dr. Basson was accused of horrendous human rights abuses of blacks.

The evidence against him was supposed to be showcased in a special museum in Pretoria. Until Dr. Basson had the ANC by the short hairs because he knows all of the ANC’s misdeeds vis-vis peddling secret technology to radical Islamic regimes, Mainland China and maybe North Korea. Doesn’t he? Your damned right he does. In fact Basson didn’t worry about the verdict. He set up is acquittal party a week before the verdict was announced.

Oh and I forgot to say that the Mail & Guardian reported that Dr. Basson is a “personal friend” of Nelson Mandela. And Danielle Mitterand, amongst others of the transnational elite jet set. How cozy, huh? Peachy! So, Mr. Mandela, do you like call up Dr. Basson since he is a personal friend and just kind of like “hang out together?”

Sample conversation:

Nelson: “Dude, what are you doing today?”

Dr. Basson: “Oh me? Not much. Well I am putting toxic jelly on blacks and if they don’t die I will kill them with hammers and throw them out of a plane over Namibia.”

Nelson: “I’m glad, no I’m proud to call you a ‘personal friend.’”

Dr. Basson: “You don’t tell me Nel-Man. I’ll tell you. Hey want a Coors Lite? She’s an endangered species in my refrigerator. Oh and hey do you want to come to MY acquittal party?”

Nelson: “Will Michael Jackson be there?”

Dr. Basson: “No. Unfortunately he has a date with Pee Wee Herman. They are going to watch a movie together at the mall.”

Nelson: “Dude, did you put the fetus of a baboon in a tree in Bishop Tutu’s backyard? Tell me ‘no.’”

Dr. Basson: “Fetus in a tree? Isn’t that your department? Anyway, I’m damned proud that you consider me a ‘personal friend.’ Because with allies like us, who needs enemies?”

Well Nelson, I’m pretty damned sure I’ve got your attention now, don’t I? The Mail & Guardian makes it almost too easy. They have been turned over to ANC control and since they have NO IDEA about good and evil they promote the evil, even document it without shame.

You know, I’ve been sitting on this stuff for years, but no more. Now the world is going to know exactly what Nelson Mandela, the ANC and their new allies from the former Apartheid DeKlerk regime were and are up to. I know all of the truths behind and beyond the ANC’s lies.

But you can’t lie to LoBaido.

And you sure can’t lie to God.

So stop lying to YOURSELF, Mr. Mandela. Just because a murderer and rapist like Bill Clinton (who committed TREASON when he gave “strategic partner” Mainland China satellite and missile technology through the LORAL Corporation) and an effete parasite like Tony Blair hold your hand doesn’t make what you believe in okay. Nelson Mandela, you are the prodigal son living in the corporate pig filth so long that you can’t even see it. Or smell it.

You and your ANC friends were trained in the former Soviet Union and Mainland China – the two greatest mass-murdering regimes in human history. And that doesn’t bother you one bit, just it? Lord, you make me sick sometimes. Just writing about all of this is enough to make me vomit. Mr. Mandela, you are a prototype of the Antichrist who perhaps is still to come. Can’t you see that?

You stand for everything evil yet you are praised as “good.” I am not your judge. A judge has a robe and executes judgment. But I can “discern all things” as the Apostle Paul commands.

And so, I am discerning you and the white transnational elite and your co-agenda of darkness. I want only that you change and repent before it is too late. Repent as Anthony LoBaido must repent from my own sins. We ALL must repent. Only I don’t have anyone cheering me on in my sin. And that is where you are at a great disadvantage Mr. Mandela, because there is good in you, only you have chosen the “dark light” Jesus warned us about. And all of the world loves you. Jesus warned us about this as well. Jesus said, “Whoever is a friend of the world is an enemy of God.”

F. Mandela and Co. legalized the worse ideals of Sodom in the same constitution.

G. Mandela betrayed South Africa’s long alliance with Taiwan and embraced Mainland China instead. This leads directly to China’s slave labor “logai” gulags, where many Christians and other religious and political dissidents toil in misery you cannot imagine. Harry Wu told me this personally, in not one but rather two personal interviews. Where is Mandela’s moral authority on trade with China?

We won’t hold our breath.

But I am sure God is very, very pleased with your silence from his vantage point in heaven. How dare you say nothing about the logai gulags in China and then talk about an ANC branch in heaven? I remember Harry Wu telling me, “Anthony, Thabo Mbeki is definitely a Communist.”

Harry also told me he was “very disappointed” in you Mr. Mandela. And Harry Wu is the world’s greatest human rights dissident so you’d better listen up. Mr. Mandela your stance on Mainland China is revolting and truly evil. And it is just what the white elites want. Farakhan is right. But I don’t hear Farakhan speaking out against the evils listed in this article either.

H. Mandela and the ANC opened up relations with radical Islamic states and other rouge nations. Afrikaner nuclear and biochemical technology was given to these states and Mainland China by the ANC.

I. The ANC sent the Executive Outcomes apartheid-era attack dog mercenaries to Angola to wipe out the ANC’s old Cold War enemy UNITA.

J. Mandela said nothing to protect South Africa’s white farmers who are now the greatest at risk murder group on Earth, with 313 out of every 100,000 killed (per ratio) and a total of 1613 dead with another 9000 recorded attacks since 1994. The world murder rate is 7 out of 100,000. But the “farmers are asking for it,” right? Even babies are raped in these attacks. How sick.

K. Mandela hugged Fidel Castro in front of the world. And you know Mr. Castro is a great persecutor of freedom-lovers inside Cuba. But in the end Mr. Mandela we can see why you gave the communist salute in front of the flag of the old Soviet Union with your KGB Colonel pal Joe Slovo.

If I stood in front of a Nazi flag giving a Nazi salute, would you simply say, “Anthony is being a very silly boy?” Do you want to be remembered by normal people as a murderer and a terrorist?

L. You stayed married to a lunatic murderer fond of putting tires filled with petrol around the necks of her enemies and lighting them on fire. What’s up with that? And no one and I mean no one believes the Danny Glover role about you and your life and your wife.

Say this with me; “We are M-U-R-D-E-R-E-R-S.”

Read Galatians 5. No murder can inherit the Kingdom of God. That means no abortion doctors either. Got it, bro? That means no one who legalizes abortion too, by proxy you and the ANC are all abortion doctors. Let it sink in, dude.

M. You said nothing while the ANC has aligned itself in a coalition with the New National Party, the afterbirth of the architects of apartheid. You said the Afrikaners were “Decent people misled by their leaders.” Well, why is the ANC hugging those leaders?

Now let’s shift gears and look at the good things Mr. Mandela has done.

A. He criticized the ANC’s corruption which he rightly called; “worse than the apartheid government.” Before the 1994 election Mr. Mandela said; “If there is anything I am conscious about it is not to frighten the minorities, especially the white minority. We are not going to live as fat cats.”

(Well, that turned out to be untrue, but we can’t blame Mr. Mandela if the ANC is desperately wicked, greedy and corrupt.)

B. Announced he never wanted Thabo Mbeki to succeed him. Mr. Mbeki has Stalinist tendencies as we know and he hates the whites. Mr. Mandela told the Mail & Guardian, “Unlike some politicians, I can admit to a mistake.” (LoBaido note: When he does this, even I have to love Mandela. See, he COULD be a great man if he would act and think this way even 70 percent of the time instead of 7 percent of the time.)

C. Called for a newfound respect for the elderly in moving, poignant fashion.

D. Stood up to Thabo Mbeki’s lunatic position on HIV/Aids and Aids drugs. Why would Mbeki deny the link with HIV and Aids? Is he HIV positive and in denial? Mbeki’s Stalinist tendencies worried Mr. Mandela from the beginning. Specifically that Mbeki was “too suspicious of his colleagues, too dependent on a few cronies” from exile days.

F. Mandela hired a personal secretary Zelda le Grange, who comes from a conservative nationalist family.

So there are some nice things Nelson Mandela says and does. Can they begin to counteract his gigantic evils? No. But it shows like all of us he has good and evil battling for the control of his very soul and eternal destiny.

Consider Mr. Mandela said; “We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It is not just in some of us; it is in everyone. As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do so.”

Now let us look at the guest list at Mr. Mandela’s 85th birthday party. I remember my late father used to say, “Birds of a feather flock together.”

Michael Jackson: He is a child molester -- period. When he came to South Korea in 1996, decent South Korea’s were outraged that he was allowed inside their nation. Mr. Mandela however has no qualms about cutting cake with Jackson. Tony Blair: He wants to lower the age of consensual sex in the UK as far as possible. Only Margaret Thatcher stopped him in the House of Lords. He is trying to break up the UK into bite sized chunks to be delivered to the EU. He smoothed over his son’s working involvement with Steven Spielberg, the famous director. He tried to broker a deal by which the Kurds in Turkey would be flooded out of their lands by a dam/pipeline of fresh water headed for North Cyprus and then on to Israel. He sent in British troops to rescue the diamond fields of Sierra Leone when the Sandline mercenaries pulled out.

Blair endorses the murder of children through abortion. He is the true 21st Century Christian whose faith is meaningless when it comes to fighting evil. Oh and if you want to know where Saddam’s weapons are, well he moved them to Sudan, Algeria and Libya YEARS AGO. (Read my articles about that Tone Monster.) What did Jesus say, "Woe unto those who call good evil and evil good?" That's you, Mr. Blair. You don't fool me either. And you know what, the British Army HATES you. They know what you are.

Mr. Blair also sent his minister Jack Straw to South Africa to deliver 30 million Pounds to the ANC for “land reform and justice.” Well what is going on down in the killing fields of South Africa isn’t justice. It’s GENOCIDE.

One final note, after my series on UNITA and Jonas Savimbi was published in 2000, a few weeks later Mr. Blair offered Savimbi asylum in the UK and the chance to keep his wealth. Savimbi should have accepted that offer. People should NEVER underestimate Tony Blair, DSL, the SAS, the de facto British Empire, British Intelligence and/or the Pound Sterling.

Bill Clinton: As previously noted, he gave sensitive missile and satellite technology to Mainland China through the LORAL corporation. When confronted by my brave and brilliant old WorldNetDaily.com co-worker Paul Sperry about this at a White House barbeque, Clinton began to scream at him, saying; “No one else has asked me about this?” Of course Clinton didn’t deny it because China was America’s “strategic partner” even though they threatened nuclear war over Taiwan.

Russia threatened nuclear attack over the Pristina Airport in the Balkans as well. Bill Clinton then told America; “We can’t afford to get upset by one statement.” My late mother said; “We can’t afford not to get upset by that one statement.”

Then, (again as noted) there was Clinton asking Mainland China to help “America with our human rights problems.” (Can you believe this man?) Recall that he went to church on Easter Sunday, then went straight to the White House to get his oral sex from Monica afterwards. He stood in Uganda to complain about slavery hundreds of years ago but said NOT ONE WORD about the on-going human slavery in South Sudan today. Clinton kept planes in the air at LAX because he needed to finish getting his famous haircut.

Then there were Clinton’s multiple vetos on partial birth abortion, meaning Clinton endorsed abortion up until the day a child is born. No doubt this infanticide is linked to billions of dollars in money for pharmaceutical research regarding stem cells for diseases like Parkinson’s. Then there was the last ditch effort by Clinton to get Congress to legalize the use of the RU-486 spontaneous abortion pill in all American junior and senior high schools.

How about handing over the Panama Canal and being to ashamed to show up for the handover? (Smart move, coke daddy!) How about giving the Vietnamese dictatorship special trade deals while they slaughter the Montagnards in the highlands of that nation and that trade deal with only strengthen the government’s stranglehold over the people? Clinton did nothing for the persecuted saints in South Sudan, the Karen of Burma, (he sanctioned the Burmese junta because Burma is a de facto colony where Mainland China gets a plethora of jade, lumber, rice and opium) the Zimbabwe/Rhodesians, Afrikaners and South Lebanese.

And now Clinton thinks he is actually going to become U.N. Secretary General, and that his wife is going to become the President of the U.S. as well. Maybe that will happen and maybe that has been planned and even ordained for more than two decades. Bill Clinton is a Cecil Rhodes advocate. The Rhodes ideals are his anchor and we must admire his loyalty to that ideal for all of these years. Yes, Bill Clinton did visit Russia as a guest of the KGB while a college kid, did work on English-language documents in Communist Czechoslovakia in the last 1960’s and he did organize protests in the UK against America during the Vietnam War. Mr. Mandela, like Jesus, chooses to spend time with the imperfect. That is truly wonderful. But what is truly sad is the fact that Mandela; A. Seems to be comfortable around them and B. fails to rebuke them for their evil. So Mr. Mandela, I challenge you to change your stance on abortion and oppose GE foods, stand up against the genocide of the Afrikaner farmers, oppose human slavery in Sudan, speak out against the slave labor logai camps and factories in Mainland China, oppose gendercide abortion of females in South Korea and China and then see just how many people come to your next birthday party.

I will come. LoBaido will definitely come.

Heaven can’t wait -- for any of us.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mandela; southafrica

1 posted on 10/28/2003 5:04:30 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
My journey into conservitism began when I was a twenty-something year-old harping to my mother about why Nelson Mandela should be freed from prison.
She explained to me why he was just a common terrorist piece of trash.
That was over twenty years ago...
2 posted on 10/28/2003 5:11:41 PM PST by baltodog (I'm Polish. I'm left-handed. I'm a drummer. I demand reparations.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Ahhh... The history you don't hear about in public schools.
3 posted on 10/28/2003 5:30:40 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (If you build it, city council will change zoning on you.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
mandela wants the whites gone. He is counting on diamond wealth. If he succeeds the diamond cartel will finally collapse.
4 posted on 10/28/2003 5:33:01 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Bill Clinton is a Cecil Rhodes advocate. The Rhodes ideals are his anchor...

That's easy to believe. Both racist, unscrupulous, power hungry elitist and Mandela is rolling over and pulling on their blankets.

5 posted on 10/28/2003 6:10:34 PM PST by lizma
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To: lizma
oh nothing new here... Bill Clinton is just in with Mandela and the other rich, hypocrites club. At least Rhodes left his estate to educate people, many of which are fine, black African professionals (incidentally either living in England or America).

Whatever... Ron Reagan knew what he was doing. My boyfriend gets a laugh when I tell him I wore Reebok sneakers to protest the protestors.
6 posted on 10/28/2003 8:38:37 PM PST by cyborg (Kyk nou, die ding wat jy soek issie hierie sienj)
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To: baltodog
His ex-wife makes him look like a pacifist then...
7 posted on 10/28/2003 8:39:51 PM PST by cyborg (Kyk nou, die ding wat jy soek issie hierie sienj)
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To: cyborg
Behold now, that which you seek is ... ?

I'm stumbling on the word "sienj" ....
8 posted on 10/29/2003 2:33:39 AM PST by TomSmedley ((technical writer looking for work!))
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To: Tailgunner Joe
bump for later.
9 posted on 10/29/2003 2:40:33 AM PST by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 8-0 baby)
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To: TomSmedley
I think it means deleted or lost...lol
I will have to ask my boyfriend who is very,very particular when coming to his language.
10 posted on 10/29/2003 8:32:37 AM PST by cyborg (Kyk nou, die ding wat jy soek issie hierie sienj)
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To: cyborg
Thanks for the clarification. I taught myself enough Afrikaans to read through the New Testament a while back, when it looked as though South Africa had a chance to survive as a formally Christian civilization. Back before they traded in their loyalty to Christ for participation in international athletics.
11 posted on 10/29/2003 8:45:24 AM PST by TomSmedley ((technical writer looking for work!))
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To: TomSmedley
At first I started learning to attend Stellenbosch which is afrikaans speaking, not english. Now I am learning it just to be able to read more books. I'd say that when South Africa first started, it was more christian, but then christian faith replaced by blind religiosity and apartheid, I don't think anyone expected that survive for very long. Besides SA is still 'christian' just not the leadership. Oh yes South Africans are sports crazy, but what nation isn't? I think a lot of advanced nations have traded a lot of things in recent memory.
12 posted on 10/29/2003 10:12:02 AM PST by cyborg (Kyk nou, die ding wat jy soek issie hierie sienj)
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