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Loggers Wanted
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY ^ | Thursday, October 30, 2003 | Editor

Posted on 10/30/2003 7:32:06 AM PST by Isara

Fires: As Southern California burns, lawmakers may learn something about forests and safety. Perhaps harvesting a few trees isn't such a bad idea after all.

It's too bad it takes 600,000 charred acres (at last count), at least 16 lost lives, some 1,600 homes destroyed and a damage tab of $2 billion or more to knock some sense into the nation's forest management.

But Congress may have learned at least something from the wildfires in California. At this writing, the Senate was expected to get off the dime and finally consider a bill that would help prevent future disasters by giving greater leeway to logging.

This is President Bush's Healthy Forests legislation, passed by the House back in May. Its key provisions limit judicial and administrative review of tree-thinning and brush-clearing projects. Federal agencies overseeing public lands would have a freer hand in letting loggers do their work.

Environmental groups fiercely oppose the bill, and they've been able to slow it down in the Senate.

But some Democrats, including California's Sen. Dianne Feinstein, realize something has to be done about the millions of acres of federal lands that are full of fire fuel — brush that hasn't been cleared or burned in decades, or tinder-dry trees killed by drought and beetle infestation. Feinstein has come up with a compromise that bears a fair resemblance to the House bill.

So some form of Healthy Forests seems to stand a good chance of getting into law.

No one, including the spotted-owl set, denies that there's a high fire danger in the Western forests. The peril was vividly clear as newscasts showed trees lighting up like bonfires in Southern California mountain towns north of San Bernardino. The idea of letting loggers solve at least some of this problem by harvesting trees, thinning forests and creating a few local jobs is perfectly logical.

Everyone wins, since both the loggers and the public come out ahead. And it's very much in the historic tradition of public forest lands, which were established to manage timber resources, not to wall them off.

Fire control is a complicated task, covering private and public lands and many types of vegetation and terrain, from grasslands and chaparral to dense forests. Healthy Forests deals with only one part of the fire ecology.

But because of it, federal forests in years to come will be safer as well as healthier, and the work of conserving them will be easier. Such is the benefit of balanced forest policy, of which we've seen too little until recently.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: california; environment; environmentalist; healthyforests; logger; wildfires
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It's sad that it took big disasters to prove that their "do not disturb the forests" policy is a failure.

Are they going to hug some trees to prevent the fire from burning their beloved trees?

1 posted on 10/30/2003 7:32:06 AM PST by Isara
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To: Isara
Ya mean buring and burnt out forests dont make good habitat for all the little endangered creatures....
If you hate the land and the animals give to environ mental causes...no one can kill them off faster than these idjits
2 posted on 10/30/2003 7:41:29 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Isara
It's kind of a bummer that the tree huggers camping out in the canopy of trees are located near the Bay Area, while the fires were down south near LA and San Diego. It would have been nice to see a tree hugger's cognitive dissonance when tree-hugging rhetoric (staying in the trees at all costs) collides with the consequences of tree-hugging policy.
3 posted on 10/30/2003 7:47:33 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Isara
Guess it is time to shut the barn door now. The horse has already gone.
4 posted on 10/30/2003 7:51:24 AM PST by Piquaboy
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To: coloradan
"It would have been nice to see a tree hugger's cognitive dissonance when tree-hugging rhetoric (staying in the trees at all costs) collides with the consequences of tree-hugging policy."

Like when a tree that they are hugging suddenly erupts into a hellish torch of a flame!

5 posted on 10/30/2003 7:52:40 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Isara
Well HELLOOOOOOOOOO....the morons in Sacramento and DC have had years to combat the problems in the national forest and low and behold twenty people are killed, 2600 homes are destroyed and 600K acres of forest are burned to the ground and the idiots FINALLY get the friggin' message that maybe, just maybe they shoud do something. WELL THANK YOU VERY FRIGGING MUCH!!! WE MUST HAVE SOME OF THE DUMBEST CLOWNS IN THE WORLD WORKING FOR US!!!! Of course if these idiots had a brain in their head they wouldn't be in politics or government, they'd go out and get a real job!!!
6 posted on 10/30/2003 7:57:19 AM PST by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69 &70 Semper Fi!)
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To: Isara

7 posted on 10/30/2003 7:59:38 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Isara
It would be funny if the loggers refused to cut trees on Federal or State lands.

Due to having to make environmental impact statements and such, all the loggers should issue a 'No Bid' statement on logging contracts.

Let the lazy State and Federal park rangers get off their lazy butts and fill out the paperwork and cut the lumber.

Is worth anything right now for loggers to cut up a bunch of burned up lumber?
8 posted on 10/30/2003 8:01:31 AM PST by Chewbacca (Nothing burps better than bacon!)
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When I was a lad growing up in Idaho, the solution to an infestation of spruce bark beetles was selective logging. It worked and the greatest part of the surrounding National Forest was saved.

As an adult living on the Kenai penninsula in Alaska, we had a similar infestation of spruce bark beetles. We were not allowed to selectively log and protect the forest because of lawsuits filled by environmental groups. Today most of the old growth timber on the penninsula is dead and brown. So far we have been lucky and have not had the wildfires similar to those in California, and we are cutting the dead trees to try and reduce the fire hazard.

9 posted on 10/30/2003 8:03:48 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: kellynla
I agree in general with your post except for the part about them finally getting it. I don't think they ever will. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
10 posted on 10/30/2003 8:04:56 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Chewbacca
The "forests" of Southern California are commercially worthless. Loggers don't have the slightest interest in cutting anything in Southern California.

People are sort of confusing normal forests with Southern California chaparral and scrub...totally different deal.
11 posted on 10/30/2003 8:09:34 AM PST by John H K
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Like when a tree that they are hugging suddenly erupts into a hellish torch of a flame!

Why, yes as a matter of fact. When the square miles all around them are burning, and the flame front finally reaches the tree one's roost is in. Dang! If only that tree, and that one and that one and that one had been logged, then the fire wouldn't be able to get to this one.

12 posted on 10/30/2003 8:11:57 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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Well it is all of our responsibilities to keep the pressure on and educate everyone that THIS DEVASTATION COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED!!! Thinning the forests and controlled burns are absolutely paramount! A healthy forest would be able to combat the bark bettle and thinning the forest would need less water and create a healthier forest!
13 posted on 10/30/2003 8:23:43 AM PST by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar Div. Viet Nam 69 &70 Semper Fi!)
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To: Isara
Maybe we'll get this one lone Bill passed, but it won't stop the Environazis. It won't even slow them. There are thousands of their appalling laws on the books and entire government agencies at all levels infested by them.

There has been very little coverage of the causes of these fires in the national or cable news reports. Sure, they mention "beattle infestation", but never mention there is a way it could have been stopped before it happened. Sure, they mention all the "dead fuel" in the forests, but don't wonder how it got to stay there.

Look for the next attack by the environazis to be on the homeowners who live in or near these forests. "If only these selfish people didn't live out in these natural wildlife habitats and put them in harms way..."

There will be no huge hue and cry against these radical "environmentalists" and their totalitarian movements. The Media is full of people who are on their side. There are well-organized and funded legions of lawyers with thousands of pages of legislation and court precedent on their side who will continue to tie up everything to do with the outdoors. They will just continue spin this catastrophe as something else or ignore it, as they have done for decades.

The public will go back to worrying about Kobe.

14 posted on 10/30/2003 8:36:05 AM PST by Gritty
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To: Gritty
That's why they are called "Watermelon." Their agenda is to destroy U.S. economy and capitalism.
15 posted on 10/30/2003 8:40:34 AM PST by Isara
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To: Piquaboy
Guess it is time to shut the barn door now. The horse has already gone.

The horse isn't gone...The barn burned down.

16 posted on 10/30/2003 8:47:05 AM PST by CathyRyan
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To: CathyRyan
On second thought, the horse is gone too.
17 posted on 10/30/2003 8:49:30 AM PST by CathyRyan
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To: Isara
Duh, they could have put a lot of unemployed people to work the last two years doing this.
18 posted on 10/30/2003 10:12:15 AM PST by sixmil
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To: Piquaboy
Guess it is time to shut the barn door now. The horse has already gone.

Don't bet on getting the barn door shut even now. The usual liberal response to things like this is to say "We just didn't go far enough." Gun control makes Washington DC the murder capitol of the USA? No problem, they just didn't ban enough guns. High taxes kill the economy? No problem, raise them higher. Unmanaged forests go up in smoke? No problem with th law, the just didn't go far enough. Just add to the acreage of unmanaged forests - prevent homeowners from clearing brush on their property, etc.

19 posted on 10/30/2003 10:22:23 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: kellynla
Thinning the forests and controlled burns are absolutely paramount!

Thinning forests and clearing chaparral costs a lot of money. Who's gonna pay for it?

20 posted on 10/30/2003 11:59:04 AM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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