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Schiavo case deserves less-reckless handling
Tallahassee Democrat ^ | Nov 01, 2003 | Leo Sandon

Posted on 11/01/2003 11:04:56 AM PST by Future Useless Eater

Schiavo case deserves less-reckless handling


by: Leo Sandon

Tallahassee Democrat
Saturday, Nov 01, 2003

In this week's latest development in the Terri Schiavo case, attorneys for husband Michael Schiavo filed a brief challenging the constitutionality of "Terri's Law," the hurriedly enacted state measure empowering Gov. Jeb Bush to keep the severely brain-damaged woman alive. Now the case is perhaps the most visible, bitterly contentious and exhaustively protracted right-to-die drama since Karen Ann Quinlan's in 1978. It exemplifies the personal, medical, legal, political, ethical and religious components that make end-of-life decisions so complicated.

The problem is in the first instance a family disagreement, more emotional in nature than medical or legal. The issue is, in part, the claims of blood relatives in conflict with those of the spouse. The distrust between Michael and the parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, is profound and produces different interpretations of Terri's condition. While the Schindlers believe it is realistic to continue rehab procedures, Michael thinks such efforts are futile and that it is against Terri's wishes to remain on life support in what appears to be a persistent vegetative state.

The Schindlers and Terri's brother and sister have made videos in which Terri appears to be smiling, moaning, responding to her mother's speech and even following a balloon with her eyes. They are "cautiously optimistic" concerning her recovery. Most neurologists, however, judge such facial expressions to be involuntary and not real evidence of thinking or experiencing on the part of the patient. Apparently most physicians think successful rehabilitation is unlikely.

State laws and courts tend to grant the spouse the authority to make life-and-death decisions. Michael Schiavo had such authority from Florida courts, authority now effectively removed by the Florida Legislature.

The bill is constitutionally questionable, but that has not been a problem for the majority of our legislators of late. Legislative restraint is not a predominant attribute of either the House or the Senate, although the Senate often comes closer to being a truly deliberative body. Terri's feeding tube was removed by court order. So the Legislature actually is trying to undo judicial action. Some Florida legislators believe the bill blatantly violates the separation of the executive and legal branches. So do a number of legal scholars.

Politically the bill apparently was initiated by the joint efforts of Bush and House Speaker Johnnie Byrd. Bush is on record as siding with the Schindlers. One spin is that Bush asked Byrd to take up the bill during the special session on economic development, another that the idea was really Byrd's from the beginning. Byrd certainly is willing to take credit for the action.

Please note, finally, that conservative Christians were influential in getting the bill passed. Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue and veteran antiabortion demonstrator, played a prominent role in behalf of the Schindlers. He officiated at prayer vigils outside Terri Schiavo's hospice and publicly demonized Michael Schiavo. He warned that if Bush did not halt the death, he could be compared to Pontius Pilate. One hopes that the politicians did not cynically vote for the bill, counting on the courts to reject it as unconstitutional, all as a way of currying favor with the religious right.

So here we are. Senate President Jim King, while passing out application forms for living wills, said, "I really do hope that we've done the right thing." Two observations:

* If the Legislature did the right thing, it was in spite of not having time to engage in thoughtful analysis and careful deliberation.

* Those who are absolutely certain they know all the answers in this case simply are not acquainted with the complexity of the issues.

Playing God ain't no bed of roses.

Leo Sandon is Distinguished Teaching Professor emeritus of religion and American studies at Florida State.
E-mail him at lsandon@garnet.acns.fsu.edu


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; felos; greer; pearse; schiavo; schindler; strangulation; terri; terrischiavo; wolfson
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I agree... let's slow this thing WAY, WAY, down! (you hear that Florida Supremes?)



There is a great deal more info HERE: Professor Appointed to Probe Schiavo Case, regarding her 'Jeb Bush ordered' new Guardian Ad Litem appointment, and why Terri is not comatose, and not in 'permanant vegetative state', but is actually being murdered by her husband. - a MUST read!

Her doctor wrote:
Vocalizing when prone in P.T.[physical therapy, she] Occasionally will say "STOP" to nursing during procedures.

1 posted on 11/01/2003 11:04:57 AM PST by Future Useless Eater
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To: sweetliberty; EternalVigilance; floriduh voter; tutstar; Canticle_of_Deborah; JulieRNR21; ...
(((ping)))
2 posted on 11/01/2003 11:06:37 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer
. Now the case is perhaps the most visible, bitterly contentious and exhaustively protracted right-to-die ...

I'm not sure that "right-to-die" is the best way to charachterize this case.

3 posted on 11/01/2003 11:10:13 AM PST by templar
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To: FL_engineer
The law was "hurriedly enacted" because otherwise she would have been dead before anything could be done.

As for Christian conservatives, I don't think that's a bad company to be in.

As the old saying went, who would you want to run into in a dark alley at night? A youth gang, a bunch of muggers, or a group of "Christian conservatives"? I'll bet even most liberals would choose the last.
4 posted on 11/01/2003 11:20:47 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: FL_engineer
"So the Legislature actually is trying to undo judicial action."

Well, DUH!!!!! When the judiciary is completely out of control, somebody's got to do it!

5 posted on 11/01/2003 11:23:19 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: FL_engineer
"*Those who are absolutely certain they know all the answers in this case simply are not acquainted with the complexity of the issues."

Ain't it the truth? So maybe you be acquainting yourself with more of the facts instead spewing your ignorant opinion about the authority of the legislature or lack thereof?

"Playing God ain't no bed of roses."

Yeah, well, I guess you should know.

6 posted on 11/01/2003 11:28:15 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: FL_engineer
State laws and courts tend to grant the spouse the authority to make life-and-death decisions.

This contradicts the notion that Terri should be killed only in honor of her supposed wish.

The "right to die" is all about what the spouse wants now?

7 posted on 11/01/2003 11:31:35 AM PST by Gelato
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To: sweetliberty
So maybe you be acquainting yourself with more of the facts instead spewing your ignorant opinion

I hope you know that when you respond to quotes in an article posted by a Freeper, you are responding to the AUTHOR of the article, and not to the actual freeper (me).

I'm not offended. I knew what you meant, but others would not have understood.

thanks, FLE

(p.s. the author's email was in the article... you can tell him directly, but I think if you read the whole thing carefully, he's on 'our side'. He sounds like a recent convert, who just came around grudgingly to realize Terri is not a tomato)

8 posted on 11/01/2003 12:04:06 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer
"I hope you know that when you respond to quotes in an article posted by a Freeper, you are responding to the AUTHOR of the article, and not to the actual freeper (me)"

Well, of COURSE I know that. I assumed that you knew I knew that. I know you're one of the good guys!

Sorry if you misunderstood.

9 posted on 11/01/2003 12:08:28 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: tioga
-to read later
10 posted on 11/01/2003 1:12:52 PM PST by tioga (Happy Weekend....)
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To: FL_engineer
The problem is in the first instance a family disagreement

The problem is this, IMHO....to stop "extraordinary" measures requires written instructions from the patient.

Absent this, there needs to be a consensus opinion that faciliating death is what the patient would want.

Both the written instructions and consensus are missing in Terri's case.

How would anyone want the State to choose death over life under these legal conditions?

11 posted on 11/01/2003 1:28:09 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Gelato
This contradicts the notion that Terri should be killed only in honor of her supposed wish.

For Christians, even supposed wishes, written or otherwise, might be considered a form of suicide. Playing with our own fate seems to me to be possilbly taking things from God's hands. Just a thought.

12 posted on 11/01/2003 1:33:38 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
For Christians, even supposed wishes, written or otherwise, might be considered a form of suicide. Playing with our own fate seems to me to be possilbly taking things from God's hands. Just a thought.

Exactly the point.

Even if Terri had a written "living will" stating she would rather die than live in a handicapped state, such wishes could not be respected by law.

The right to life is an unalienable right. Since unalienable means "incapable of being surrendered or transferred," a person cannot terminate his own right to live. So long as America stands on its foundation of unalienable, God-given rights, there can be no right to suicide. Sadly, abortion has numbed the American conscience against the absolute protection of rights and life.

One disturbing thing about the Terri Schiavo case is that it goes beyond even the "right to die," and uses the same language to order a handicapped woman to death. This shows the inevitable consequence of the right to die, when that "right" becomes a order.

No person can have that kind of power, not even over himself.

13 posted on 11/01/2003 2:56:45 PM PST by Gelato
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To: Right_in_Virginia
The problem is this, IMHO....to stop "extraordinary" measures requires written instructions from the patient. Absent this, there needs to be a consensus opinion that faciliating death is what the patient would want.

Florida Law does not require written instructions if there is "clear and compelling evidence". This allowance is not an unreasonable one for legislators to have made--after all, a videotape of someone expressing a desire to have someone discontinue feeding would not be "written" but could still be considered "clear and compelling". The problem is that Judge George Greer is willing to consider vague and contested hearsay as "clear and compelling" evidence.

Perhaps legislators need to add a few explicit provisions:

  1. Hearsay evidence regarding "living-will" questions shall only be considered clear and compelling evidence if all of the following conditions apply:
    • The statements were witnessed by at least three people, at least two of whom are willing to forswear any economic or other benefit from the person's death and are not related by blood or marriage to anyone who would stand to benefit from the person's death.
    • The person made the statements with a clear and explicit understanding of what they would entail. "I wouldn't want to live connected to live support" would not be clear and explicit; "Please stop feeding me, but keep giving me fluids" would be.
    • The statement must not be contested by any spouse, ancestor, adoptive parent, decdendant, sibling, or anyone else in the nearest class of relation necessary to comprise at least three people [e.g. if there is a spouse, but no surviving ancestors, decendants, or siblings, then the 'reach' would be expanded to uncles and aunts. If there are fewer than two of those, then to first cousins, etc.]
  2. Any guardian must publically disclose any life insurance policies they have upon their wards. No insurance company shall pay any life insurance claim upon any ward who dies while in a guardian's care unless the guardian filed proper notice of the existence of such policy.
  3. A guardian ad litem must be appointed in all cases where a guardian is seeking to end the life of a ward if the guardian stands to gain $5,000 or more from the ward's death. If a guardian claims not to have any such interest, any benefits in excess of $5,000 which the guardian would reap from the ward's death shall be surrendered to the state.
  4. A guardian ad litem must be appointed in all cases where a guardian who is married to a ward is seeking to end the ward's life, if there is any provable adultery related to the ward's marriage on the part of the guardian, regardless of when in the marriage such adultery took place. If the guardian has had or conceived any children by anyone other than the ward at any time following the marriage to the ward, the existence of such children shall be deemed as proof of adultery for purposes of this section. This section shall also apply in all cases where the spouse has taken up residence with any woman whom he would--if unmarried--be eligible to marry, regardless of whether there is any specific indication or allegation of sexual contact between them.
How do those sound for a few requirements?
14 posted on 11/01/2003 3:03:05 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: FL_engineer
Any husband who would kill my two cats and melt my wedding rings to make a nice pinky for himself (not to mention spending my lawsuit settlement on himself) shouldn't be given total control of my future!
DUH!!
15 posted on 11/01/2003 3:08:12 PM PST by Humidston (Two Words: TERM LIMITS)
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To: Gelato
Your #13. I never thought about it to that extent. With abortion, they played with terminology (even though I don't personally buy it). In this case, we clearly have a viable, human life.

In the latter case, it seems unconstitutional to me. Thanks for pointing that out.

16 posted on 11/01/2003 3:55:43 PM PST by Aliska
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To: supercat
Florida Law does not require written instructions

Florida law...and the rest of the 49 states... should.

How can anything less in questions of life or death be acceptable?

17 posted on 11/01/2003 4:19:19 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: FL_engineer
The bill is constitutionally questionable

No it is not!

18 posted on 11/01/2003 4:28:17 PM PST by JustPiper (RIP Freeper Lynne - God loves you! You are our angel now!)
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To: FL_engineer
Here's what the family wants us to do... Prayers for Terri and help with Public Awareness. Terri looks good today. Dutch television was at the Hospice today filming vigil attendees. They interviewed a woman who was in a coma but began communicating with a nurse and she was standing there for a twenty minute interview. They also interviewed another woman who comes to Hospice to support Terri on a regular basis. She happened to speak Dutch. In addition, Dutch TV asked us to act natural, like they weren't there. Well, how easy was that?

I ducked out instead of trying to be "next" for an interview to go to Walmart.

I returned this evening and there are now about six people holding a candlelight vigil for Terri. There have been two faith healers there this afternoon. New vigilers have shown up who are staying in hotels. All is calm.

When I find their business card, I'll put the url for the tv station on a Daily thread because it will be streaming on line this coming Tuesday or Wednesday. floriduh voter


19 posted on 11/01/2003 4:30:41 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: Gelato
"Even if Terri had a written "living will" stating she would rather die than live in a handicapped state, such wishes could not be respected by law...
No person can have that kind of power, not even over himself.

Sure they can, because it is their choice regarding medical treatment. It's a choice just the same as any decision made regarding other goods and services offered in the marketplace. It involves Free will and is a gift from God, just as life is. There is no one that has the right to interfere with those decisions.

"For Christians, even supposed wishes, written or otherwise, might be considered a form of suicide. Playing with our own fate seems to me to be possilbly taking things from God's hands."

It is not suicide, it is the refusal to partake of the goods and services someone else is pushing. It's an exercise in Free will. Free will is a gift from God, just as life is. He does not interfere with it either before , or after death in these matters. Just as God honors a persons decisions, based on the reasons given, so should everyone else.

Suicide is killing yourself on purpose, when you would not otherwise die, or have to rely on the constant care of technologically competent others and their machines to live.

20 posted on 11/01/2003 5:18:10 PM PST by spunkets
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