ACLU Hasn't A-C-L-U-E

Foxnews.com ^ | 11-01-03 | Dennis Miller

[Carbonsteel]

The ACLU worked to postpone the California Recall, is fighting to get rid of public displays of the Ten Commandments, fighting against the Boy Scouts and for NAMBLA (search), the North American Man-Boy Love Association. Working to defend their rights! In short, on the wrong side of almost every issue. The American Civil Liberties Union is imploding and the wide array of life options it endorses seems to no longer include a belief in the traditional American way.

[Carbonsteel]

"Not that they’re always wrong. The ACLU is now helping to overturn a Mississippi state law that prohibits homosexual couples in that state from adopting children...."

I could very well be wrong, but I don't think gays should be adopting children. What kind of home environment would that be to grow up in?

[clee1]

Oh.... I think it would be gay! < /gag>

[supercat]

The ACLU lately has gone so far left I almost find it embarassing to agree with them on anything. To be sure, like a broken clock they're right occasionally, but they've become so overtly leftist it's frightening.

[Rodney King]

The ACLU has now degenerated to the point where they?ll fight against your right to erect a Nativity Scene but they?ll fight for the right of the local freak who stumbles into the scene and fondles one of the sheep.

ROFLMAO

[xm177e2]

What kind of home environment would that be to grow up in?

Probably very normal, for the most part. I think gay people are capable of acting like normal parents, just as much as straight people are. BUT when a kid grows up without a mother or without a father, that has to have some sort of cost attached to it. Even if a gay couple puts in a perfect effort at raising kids, I doubt the kids would be as well off as if they had come from a normal, two-parents-of-opposite-sex home.

[clee1]

Probably very normal, for the most part. You're dreaming. Gay couples will indoctrinate impressionable minds with the Gay Agenda, and I predict that 95% of gay couples will raise gay children.

[nightdriver]

"The American Civil Liberties Union is imploding and the wide array of life options it endorses seems to no longer include a belief in the traditional American way."

Well, welcome to the party, Dennis!

However, it's just wishful thinking that the ACLU (sometimes known as the "Anti-Christian Litigation Union) is imploding. Their founder, a certain Roger Baldwin, if I'm not mistaken, was anti-constitution and called it a "living" document, subject to change.

The ACLU is and always has been a subversive organization.

[AnimalLover]

You missed a couple of other pots the ACLU has their fingers in.

They are supporting Michael Schiavo and Felos the Fraud in putting Terri to death.

They are filing suit on the east coast to ban the ban on partial birth abortion - the President hasn't even signed it into law yet. Planned Parenthood is filing on the west coast and some Reproductive Rights group in the midwest.

These people are all CRAZY. Does anyone remember the old Sci-Fi movie "Invaders from Mars"?

People were taken aboard a spaceship that landed "under" the desert (they fell through the sand and down into the ship) wherein the aliens put some chip in the back of the neck. This caused them to do whatever the head alien wanted, including murder.

Sound familiar?

[f.Christian]

DENNIS MILLER: In this messed up world, I like seeing my President pray. I don’t think a person can get answers out of books anymore. This is an infinitely complex world and at some point one has to have faith in one’s religion. I find it endearing that President Bush prays to God and that he’s not an agnostic or an atheist. I’m glad there’s ... someone higher --- that he has to answer to.

[tkathy]

I can hardly wait until Dennis has a show. He's going to shake things up with his brilliant mind and witty insight rather than anger or pompous self righteousness.

[Loyal Buckeye]

"ACLU hasn't A-C-L-U-E"

I like that.

[whereasandsoforth]

I have known three gays with kids (spanning my lifetime). All the kids are now grown and are VERY straight. I know two of them are probably more conservative than me, and that's REALLY gatting conservative. I'm not advocating here. I don't think gays should be anywhere near the responsibility of raising children. I know from these kids, rebellion was a good thing.

BTW, none of these grown kids have much of a relationship with their non-related "parents". Some of these households had a very high "lifemate" turnover rate.

[StonyBurk]

THE ACLU began as a convicts dream to get revenge against
America. Baldwin was a devotee to Soviet Communism--said
commuist opppression was to advance the State--while ours
was just oppressive.Most of the leaders prior to the 60's
played revolving seats with the CPUSA.And in the sixties
Hoover said the bulk of their cases were in defence of
Commuinsists that had run afoul of the law.In 1989 the ACLU
successfully convinced our errant Court to accept desecration of Our Flag as protected speech a Communist
(Johnson)was behind that.Clearly a record of deception and
anti-American activitiy cannot be trumped by a few crumbs
tossed to appease the useful idiots.

[sirchtruth]

The ACLU has now degenerated to the point where they’ll fight against your right to erect a Nativity Scene but they’ll fight for the right of the local freak who stumbles into the scene and fondles one of the sheep.

ROTFLMAO! This is exactly what the Get A-C-L-U-E crowd is about.

[HadEnough]

You have it right!

They are another element of the massive fifth column that infests this nation.

They are the enemies of liberty, not its defender and need to be eliminated.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

Homosexuals corrupt everything they get their dirty hands on.
Even the word gay used to mean something nice.
Now it means an insane sexual practice.
As homosexuals can only recruit young people to their
insane way of life, this scum has to go after children.

[Brian Allen]

<< I [Feel] gay people are capable of acting like normal parents >>

And I know that is the most depraved remark with which I will be confronted today.

And that your spouse, parents and siblings engage in sodomy, and lesbianism and other acts of depravity.

[TN4Liberty]

I caught a bit of Walter Williams sitting in for Rush this week. He had an interview with a law professor who has a book out on the ACLU. The author's main point was that the ACLU was created ostensibly to protect civil liberties, i.e., to protect individual rights from government oppression. Instead, it supports using the federal government to oppress individual choices such as who we associate with, what we say, what we do, how we worship. I thought it was a very insightful analysis.

Anyone recall the name of the book or the author?

[longtermmemmory]

many of the local chapters of the ACLU are run by law professors. Law professors with ivory tower, refugee from the real world mentality.

[Kuksool]

Right now, the ACLU is trying to stop KY Republican pollwatchers from monitoring any signs of voter fraud on this Tuesday's Governor's race. ACLU lawyers are claiming that Republican pollwathcers suppress black voter turnout. What a pile of trash! The ACLU is a subsidiary of the RAT party. The ACLU's misssion is to enable DemocRATS to steal elections.

[merry10]

hmmmm well, I know two women who are gay who are foster/adoptive parents to 8 black children, half of whom are deaf. All eight of the children excel in English and sign language. They make sure their kids have the best education possible so have moved out of state to make sure that happens. I also know another couple who are raising two little girls. These women are professional. Their children do not lack for male role models. The grandparents are very much a part of these kids lives. I think it doesn't matter.

[merry10]

I know gay people act like "normal parents". The gay people I know are all professional RNs, they live in 600,000 dollar homes, they drive nice cars, they walk their kids back and forth to school. Maybe it would be "more normal" if they had sex with all sorts of different men who come in and out of their house, and dealt drugs out of their house to boot.

[merry10]

studies? statistics?

[Alouette]

The argument most frequently used in favor of gays adopting children is that there are huge crowds of unwanted children who would otherwise languish in orphanages if gays are not allowed to adopt them. The truth is that there is a long waiting list of childless heterosexual couples who want to adopt. Gay adoption advocates want to be put at the head of the line and given preference over heterosexual families.

[MinuteGal]

The ACLU is not just now "turning leftward". It was set up decades ago as a communist/Marxist/Christian-hating front organization. It still is.

It employs tried-and-true leftist strategery to take up a mild conservative cause at widely-spaced intervals to facilitate maintainance of their facade.

Leni

[longtermmemmory]

my understanding is that orphanages are not in use any more.

[lowbridge]

(ACLU) Lawsuit seeks to ban GOP poll monitors in black districts

[sweetliberty]

You're absolutely right that queers (sorry, there is nothing "gay" about them) should NOT be adopting children. It is difficult, if not impossible, for many HETEROSEXUAL couples to adopt children. Many agencies do not allow single heterosexuals to adopt children either, or if they do they limit them to children that no one else will adopt. So tell me, how is it that all of a sudden, perverts can stroll into an adoption agency and demand to adopt a child because it is their RIGHT? GIVE ME A BREAK!

[sweetliberty]

"the wide array of life options it endorses seems to no longer include a belief in the traditional American way."

Hey Dennis, any connectin between the ACLU and ANYTHING traditionally American at all, is purely accidental, coincidental and only because they live here.

[Hildy]

I know Gay Couples who are loving, smart and generous. I think putting kids in those stable homes (by stable I mean with couples who have been together for many years and have shown themselves to be productive members of society) are better than in State run homes or the Foster Care System. I know I am going to be attacked for this, so go right ahead.

[sweetliberty]

"I know I am going to be attacked for this, so go right ahead."

No attack. I'm considering the source....the same person who thinks it just peachy for Michael Schiavo to have multiple adulterous relationships and even produce children while at the same time trying to have his disabled wife killed.

Hildy, I would expect you to think that perverts raising children is just dandy as well.

[Hildy]

I think I probably have many more life experiences than you do.

[sweetliberty]

"I think I probably have many more life experiences than you do."

Well, that's a pretty broad statement to make about someone whom you know next to nothing about, but if it helps you feel superior to think that, then knock yourself out.

[DoctorMichael]

Haven't a clue?

They know EXACTLY what their doing.

[mtbopfuyn]

The truth is that there is a long waiting list of childless heterosexual couples who want to adopt.

Very true. We were on that long waiting list and it wasn't even the blonde/blue-eyed/newborn line. Something else, the cut off age for adoptive parents begins at 35. Thirty-five! If that myth about all the poor languishing orphans were true then there wouldn't be such an early cut off. It's not about the quality of the prospective home but the size of the wallet.

[taxcontrol]

One of my wife's cousins in this very situation. He has had a lot of problems growing up. It has only been the influence of a bunch of geek fantasy role players who have no life that has kept him anywhere close to sane.

The boy will graduate HS soon (1 year late) and is thinking about college. He is starting to come into his own and I hope and pray he will turn out ok. Still, he does not understand what a normal home life looks like.

I don't know how he is going to be towards his own family. But I can tell you, he carries a lot of anger towards gays. I hope the self control we have taught him over the the past few years will help him keep a lid on his temper.

[Qwinn]

"The ACLU has now degenerated to the point where they’ll fight against your right to erect a Nativity Scene but they’ll fight for the right of the local freak who stumbles into the scene and fondles one of the sheep."

Get this - I heard Miller say this before. It was on MSNBC, in an interview by Phil Donahue. It was live. The wording was almost precisely the same, but instead of using the word fondle, he used the four-letter variation of the f-word. It somehow got through the censors, and I heard it live. It was the first time I'd heard that word on television, other than one occassion on Saturday Night Live (from whom it's simply expected and not that amusing).

Now, that line is funny as hell even using the word "fondle". Between that and the shock of the word that he did use, and hearing it live on MSNBC, I was -literally- rolling on the floor for 10 minutes. I don't
know that I've ever laughed so hard, it was almost painful.

By the way - if I was ever even slightly torn about the issue of gay adoption, the fact that the ACLU was for it made me absolutely positive that it was the wrong thing to do. To be quite honest, there's not a single thing they fight for that I agree with. Not one.

Qwinn

[xm177e2]

Are you aware that children who grow up in gay households experiment with varieties of sexuality more than other kids?

I am aware that at least one study has found that kids who grow up raised by homosexuals are more likely to be homosexuals themselves. That is exactly what I have based my conclusions on. No matter how good an effort two gay men or women put into raising kids, there is going to be something missing.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"I think gay people are capable of acting like normal parents, just as much as straight people are. BUT when a kid grows up without a mother or without a father, that has to have some sort of cost attached to it."

Yeah. You are right on with your PC talking points. A man makes a great mother and a woman makes a great father. There is really no difference.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

The concept of all of these committed, stable homosexual couples, just like hetero families is a complete fabrication designed to get them acceptance and infiltrate further.

It's a fact that 90%+ of gays will never have life long relationships with one partner.

Anyone that says differently is a propagandist, a liar and has an agenda to destroy our culture.

The same FReepers rally to their cause without fail.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

I think I probably have many more life sexual experiences than you do.
 

[At _War_With_Liberals]

Sorry. I misread your position.

[StriperSniper]

Anyone recall the name of the book or the author?

No, but he was from George Mason, so a search of the faculty may refresh your memory. Also Dr. williams may have a mention at his site(it's at the school I think).

[Qwinn]

"BUT when a kid grows up without a mother or without a father, that has to have some sort of cost attached to it."

Another Freeper (wish I could remember the name to give credit) said something a few days ago that really struck me as an excellent way to put it.

"A nut and a bolt. Not two nuts. Not two bolts. A nut and a bolt. That's the only way it can hold together."

Men and women are different. This is obvious to everyone except feminists. A man cannot contribute to a child's development what a woman can. A woman cannot contribute what a man can. I don't care how much the guy thinks he's a woman trapped in a man's body - he's not. And never will be. Same with vice versa.

But it's never been about gays being good parents. It's about destroying traditional families altogether, so that the perfect Worker will evolve that will have no higher loyalty than the State. That's why we are witnessing the deliberate destruction of Family and Religion by the Left. It's necessary for the Worker's Paradise, you see. It's for the greater good. Family and God are false allegiances that must be made subordinate to fealty to the State.

Qwinn

[clee1]

I would think, in my way of thinking, that the cases you cite are the exceptions that prove the rule.

Homosexuals rarely keep longterm partners - alot of heterosexuals don't either, for that matter.

I firmly believe that environmental factors outweigh genetics - a fag is as a fag does... and it is a learned, not an instinctual behavior. Children generally do as they learn from their "parents".

I would not like to think about a small boy in a household with two gay men: after all, the adults are already violating natural law and cultural mores... why not break a few more? Like pedophillia and incest?

[clee1]

Those would be useless. The only studies and statistics that exist are those that are conjured up by the gay lobby.

Junk science.

[Chu Gary]

"The gay people I know are all professional RNs, they live in 600,000 dollar homes, they drive nice cars, they walk their kids back and forth to school."

Now, what's this? Lights are flashing on my PC and a loud alarm is whooping! Ah, here it is, it's the Bullshit detector!!! Yesirree, that's what it is.

[gg188]

Some of these households had a very high "lifemate" turnover rate.

And there is no telling how many times the kids were molested by the parade of illicit "partners" and threesomes and s & m and scatological and other sexual deviants travelling in and out of the orbit of the "parents."

[gg188]

hmmmm well, I know two women who are gay who are foster/adoptive parents

Would you be willing to send your little daughters off with them. How about with Paula Poundstone?

And sexual molestation aside, the rate of violence among lesbians is several times greater than that among heterosexuals. Want to expose kids to that?