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Symantec Blocks Pro-gun Sites
ma-firearms ^ | 11/3/03

Posted on 11/03/2003 7:17:59 AM PST by pabianice

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:59:30 -0500 (EST)

From: [ ]

To: ma-firearms@world.std.com

Subject: Symantec Says No To Pro-Gun Sites

You might want to reconsider buying Symantec products:

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/02/1729239&mode=thread&tid=103&tid=153&tid=99

"A recent American Rifleman contained small column that said that Symantec's new Internet Security 2004 would block pro gun rights sites (i.e. NRA sites), while not blocking similar anti-gun rights web sites. Being the eternal skeptic, this claim was tested by downloading the trial version and running some tests against it. To my surprise I found the every NRA site was blocked and was in the category 'weapons.' This even included the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. Some sites that were not blocked where such notable anti-gun rights site such as The Brady Campaign, and Good Bye Guns. The only anti-gun rights site that was blocked that I could find was Hand Gun Control's web site."

"My rather informal test still raises the spectre that a large corporate entity may be clandestinely trying to sway you or your child's political views by censoring content from one side of a political debate. This is indeed chilling, especially considering that such software is required to be used in libraries to protect children. Is this political slant common in censorware? Have slashdotters found similar glitches in other 'parental control' software?""


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1 posted on 11/03/2003 7:17:59 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice
This is the same kind of nonsense that blocks curch web-sites under a "religion" filter.

I'll defer to the author or more knowledgable FReepers, but I think you can set the filters you want and not use the ones you don't want. (Custom settings as opposed to a broad "protection level" setting)

2 posted on 11/03/2003 7:22:49 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: pabianice
Then I guess I will no longer be using Symantec software.
3 posted on 11/03/2003 7:29:49 AM PST by armyboy (Posting from Sustainer Army Airfield Balad, Iraq. God Bless The U.S.A!)
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To: *bang_list; wardaddy; Lazamataz; Squantos; harpseal
Can somebody post links to free anti-virus software, so we can dump Norton and it's liberal PC anti-RKBA stance?


4 posted on 11/03/2003 7:31:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Trend Micro

http://www.trendmicro.com/en/products/desktop/pc-cillin/evaluate/overview.htm

 

5 posted on 11/03/2003 7:38:59 AM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: Travis McGee
http://www.grisoft.com/

AVG Anti virus is free. I've never had a virus problem since I installed AVG. Did I mention that it is free?
6 posted on 11/03/2003 7:40:18 AM PST by Sledge
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To: Sledge
AVG is the only antivirus software I have used. It's great!!

AVG Anti virus BUMP!!
7 posted on 11/03/2003 7:48:56 AM PST by jgrubbs
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To: armyboy
Thank you for serving! God bless you and protect you.

8 posted on 11/03/2003 7:51:08 AM PST by AnnaZ (::: RADIOFR :: Hi-Fi FReepin' 24/7 ::: http://www.theotherradionetwork.com/pgs/rfr_schedule.htm :::)
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To: Mrs Zip; BOBWADE
ping
9 posted on 11/03/2003 7:53:22 AM PST by zip
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To: Sledge
I used AVG Anti virus for nearly a year. The software is much less invasive than Norton and McAffee; also easier to use. I did have a problem with it though. About two weeks ago, AVG identified a Trojan that had invaded my system, but could not remove or quarantine the affected files (in the hidden Restore directory). I had to reload and run Norton to clean my system; Norton also found and cleaned another virus that AVG missed.

I emailed Grisoft about the issue, have not received a response yet.
10 posted on 11/03/2003 7:55:09 AM PST by azsportsterman
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To: Travis McGee
AVG Ver 6 is free. According to Paul Langs's LangaList web site, AVG is an excellent program, both the free and the more complete for-pay version.

PS Langa is a heavy hitter in the computer field, and doesn't get a cut for any of his carefully considered opinions.

PPS Try subscribing to LangaList - you will like it.
11 posted on 11/03/2003 7:56:45 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: pabianice
Adios Symantec. Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what companies we *should* be patronizing?
12 posted on 11/03/2003 7:57:08 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: Travis McGee
NORTON is anti-deuce???

Oh sheesh. That's my AV software.

THANKS for the headsup.

13 posted on 11/03/2003 8:05:43 AM PST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY SCARING NEWBIES SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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To: pabianice
In all fairness, they are only categorizing the sites. It it up to the administrator or end user to set up what is allowed or not allowed.
14 posted on 11/03/2003 8:16:11 AM PST by sigSEGV
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To: sigSEGV
In all fairness, they are only categorizing the sites. It it up to the administrator or end user to set up what is allowed or not allowed.

What's "fair" about the factory defaults blocking pro gun sites, yet allowing anti gun sites? Regardless if you can change the settings or not?

15 posted on 11/03/2003 8:20:55 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
Nothing fair about it. Probably decided by their lawyers.
16 posted on 11/03/2003 8:25:27 AM PST by sigSEGV
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To: pabianice
bump
17 posted on 11/03/2003 8:42:34 AM PST by RippleFire
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To: Travis McGee
http://www.grisoft.com/


Get the Free AVG (anti virus group)....check at the bottom of my e-mails to you for a always there link.

Free updates and download for personal use. That and ad-aware 6.0 and the google "tool bar" version of pop up killer is FREE FREE FREE and works well together...... Albeit I run Norton Corporate AntiVirus also and haven't had any problems with blocking pro gun sites with either ???

Stay Safe !
18 posted on 11/03/2003 8:49:10 AM PST by Squantos ("Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex.")
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To: Sledge; Travis McGee
I use it all the time. Has saved my skin plenty.

Cheers for Grisoft AVG
19 posted on 11/03/2003 8:53:28 AM PST by 8mmMauser
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To: pabianice
Filter software blocks lots of sites, and I'm guessing the decision to filter a specific site might just come from a webcrawler that finds objectionable words, but lacks the intelligence to determine the context.

Before dismissing Symantec, I would suggest sending them an e-mail to ask about it. It is entirely possible that this kind of decision was made without any human involvement at all.
20 posted on 11/03/2003 8:58:31 AM PST by LouD
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To: ApesForEvolution
I did not realize that Symantic did this. Really? I just went into the NRA and other website without any problems at all. I use Symantec. Someone passing bogus info?
21 posted on 11/03/2003 9:03:33 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: pabianice
I honestly don't know if this is Symantec itself or if they contract out their content-filtering database maintainers. This should be determined before weilding the Great Economic Mallet of Destiny.

The problem with all content-filtering databases is that they are little but a manifestation of personal bias of the people who populate them. And since many of the software companies exist in what I call "The Berzerkeley Zone" (e.g., Silicon Valley, San Jose, Mountain View, and San Francisco), it only stands to reason that those irrational left-wing biases would ultimately be incorporated into the product.

I've had my own run-ins with content-filtering sites. Especially with their hypocritical double-standards that label conservative sites in unflattering categories while leaving their counterparts (which are often *worse*) unscathed. That's some ethical barometer they got there...
22 posted on 11/03/2003 9:19:00 AM PST by Prime Choice (I want to be immortal. Then I'll never have to vote Democrat.)
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To: oldironsides
I did not realize that Symantic did this. Really? I just went into the NRA and other website without any problems at all. I use Symantec. Someone passing bogus info?

Are you using their parental control web content filtering utility, or just their antivirus suite?

23 posted on 11/03/2003 9:20:06 AM PST by Prime Choice (I want to be immortal. Then I'll never have to vote Democrat.)
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To: pabianice
So does it ban the access of the US Army website?
24 posted on 11/03/2003 9:42:46 AM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Sledge
AVG Anti virus is free. I've never had a virus problem since I installed AVG. Did I mention that it is free?

What does anti-virus software have to do with gun-sites being blocked by firewalls?

I've been running Symantec(nee Norton) since the early 90's and I've never gotten a virus. Whooop-de-dooo...

25 posted on 11/03/2003 9:42:53 AM PST by RedWing9 (No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
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To: Squantos
Albeit I run Norton Corporate AntiVirus also and haven't had any problems with blocking pro gun sites with either ???

Could that be because Symanted Anti-Virus does not block sites? yet Symantec Personal Firewall does...

26 posted on 11/03/2003 9:52:24 AM PST by RedWing9 (No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
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To: oldironsides
I just went into the NRA and other website without any problems at all. I use Symantec. Someone passing bogus info?

Are you using this new 2004 version?
Symantec's new Internet Security 2004 would block pro gun rights sites (i.e. NRA sites)

27 posted on 11/03/2003 9:54:43 AM PST by RJL
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To: All
I would suggest Zone Alarm as an alternative to Norton. The free version is terrific, it blocks everything and doesn't require a lot of system resources to run. The free version also lets you customize what programs you want to grant access to the internet. It's also updated frequently. The Zone Alarm Pro which costs money has a lot more functionality (individual blocking or opening of select ports, etc.) I use the free version and its passed every internet security site that checks for open ports and vulernabilities that I've been to.

I gave up on Symantec products after their Utilities 2002 fiasco. There's better and cheaper (can't beat free) alternatives out there for sure.

28 posted on 11/03/2003 10:05:10 AM PST by Dazedcat
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To: armyboy
I have Norton Anti Virus running and have been able to open every NRA, gun page I tried. Don't see any problem.
29 posted on 11/03/2003 10:10:39 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: RedWing9
Dunno.....I use zone alarm for a firewall. Stay Safe !
30 posted on 11/03/2003 10:12:07 AM PST by Squantos ("Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex.")
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To: oldironsides
Same here NAV 2004, registered version and no problems going to www.nra.org and numerous hand gun sites.
31 posted on 11/03/2003 10:15:36 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: ImpBill
>>I have Norton Anti Virus running and have been able to open every NRA, gun page I tried

Norton Anti-Virus is not the same as Norton Internet Security 2004.
32 posted on 11/03/2003 10:31:53 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: ImpBill
>> Same here NAV 2004, registered version and no problems going to www.nra.org and numerous hand gun sites.

Norton Anti-Virus 2004 is not the same as Norton Internet Security 2004.
33 posted on 11/03/2003 10:32:30 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: BenLurkin
You can set the filters yourself. Definitely doesn't make it right though.
34 posted on 11/03/2003 1:17:32 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: GladesGuru
Do you mean 'Fred Langa'? Or is there some one else named Langa?
http://www.langalist.com/
35 posted on 11/03/2003 2:22:41 PM PST by FormerlyAnotherLurker
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To: FormerlyAnotherLurker
Oops! You are correct. 'Cuse me while I promise myself to always, always, always proofread before posting.
36 posted on 11/03/2003 4:24:46 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: GladesGuru; Travis McGee
I use AVG 6 Free and really like it.Was going to add Norton to use as a backup with it.

This is the first I've heard of a downside to Norton.What kinds of problems will Norton cause or do they use their money against the Second A.?

37 posted on 11/03/2003 4:38:16 PM PST by Free Trapper (Because we ate the green mammals first.)
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To: All; martin_fierro; Travis McGee
The FR posted article "Drudge Site Ripe With Computer Slowing Software" has a number of free computer downloads ,credit Martin Fierro, linked at post #15.It's in my links if you can't find it elsewhere.

I use all of them together,except the Mailwasher that I haven't tried yet and am pleased with the results.

Martin,thanks for the info,I'm not the least bit computer savvy and the downloads are a boon.If someone could put together an easy to understand vanity with this type of downloads and other basic info for the less computer savvy of us,it might save many from problems.These sure helped me.

38 posted on 11/03/2003 5:53:36 PM PST by Free Trapper (Because we ate the green mammals first.)
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To: Free Trapper; Travis McGee
FREE PC PROTECTION:
(Not an exhaustive list. Your results may vary. Void where prohibited. For entertainment purposes only. No wagering, please. Whattayawantfernuthin'.)

39 posted on 11/03/2003 7:13:18 PM PST by martin_fierro (_____oooo_( )_oooo_____)
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To: martin_fierro
Thanks a million.I was trying to figure out what to use for computer safety and was more confused,the more I read.

By following your lead to a number of links,I was able to accomplish a lot very easily.

Now I have a few more to try out,thanks again.:)

40 posted on 11/03/2003 8:05:50 PM PST by Free Trapper (Because we ate the green mammals first.)
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To: GladesGuru
I've been known to mispell my own name on occasion.
Only by a letter or 2!
I wish proofreading helped but I always notice something 0.5 seconds after I click on "post."
41 posted on 11/03/2003 11:01:20 PM PST by FormerlyAnotherLurker
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To: martin_fierro
Martin,thanks again for the links but help me with a little more knowledge if you can,please.

I've just started mailwasher and am getting used to it.Of all the links you gave above,I haven't yet tried the firewall tests or alternate browsers.

Shoot the Messenger seems to "not" apply to me because I am running Windows 98.Am I correct?

With the Windows Updates I download "direct x 9.0b" but can't seem to find or execute it.All other updates I've gotten easily.Any ideas?I'm not computer savvy and your help has been greatly appreciated.

All the other links you gave are working together very well for me,I'm really tickled with them. :)

42 posted on 11/18/2003 8:11:28 AM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority)
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To: Free Trapper

43 posted on 11/18/2003 8:52:07 AM PST by martin_fierro (_____oooo_(____)_oooo_____)
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To: martin_fierro
I've got the firewall from your link working but haven't used the tests yet.I will later today.

The direct x 9.0b downloads to me and shows on Windows Update to have downloaded but each time I check for updates,the Updates site tells me I need to download it again,even though my download history shows it to have successfully downloaded several times.

Oh well,I've gained a lot and am learning as I go.

Thanks again and if you ever need any problem critters removed from your place,maybe I can return the favor.:)

44 posted on 11/18/2003 10:35:02 AM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority)
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To: martin_fierro
I am on a dialup and anytime I'm on the computer,it's because I'm on heavy prescribed pain meds that knock my mental functions all to heck and I can accomplish very little elsewhere or even move around safely.

I've now put to use every link from your post #39 except an alternate browser and all are complimentary to each other.If I can put these to use in my condition,anyone should be able to and get these free safetys installed for themselves.I still can't figure out why the Windows Update keeps saying I need the DirectX 9.0b but that's no big deal.

I don't quite understand what an alt. browser will do for me yet.Would you suggest I try Mozilla or Opera as an alternate browser or will I have to make many changes in trading over and possibly become confused in the swapover?

Also,are there any simple,basic things I should be doing,like running the scandisk and defragmenter,that I may not know about or be doing through my simple ignorance of computers?

I can't put into words how much your tips are appreciated and any other thoughts you come up with can only put me even deeper,happily,into your debt.:o)

45 posted on 11/19/2003 6:14:33 AM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority)
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To: Free Trapper
I like the Opera browser.

It gives you good control over what cookies (if any) are placed on your system and has internal popup control.

It also imports MSIE bookmarks well.
46 posted on 11/19/2003 9:31:16 AM PST by martin_fierro (_____oooo_(____)_oooo_____)
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To: martin_fierro
I tried the "trial" freeware Spybot/Spykiller. It misidentified a genuine library in my TaxCut software for 2000 as a keylogging trojan. When it had listed that and some real ad software, it refused to clean them unless I paid 40 dollars for the full deal. (I wasn't in the mood, especially after researching the so-called "keylogger" and finding it spurious.) Then it didn't uninstall itself when I ran the "uninstall" procedure. (Had to manually delete the folder.)

Not a good impression.

47 posted on 11/19/2003 9:41:00 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: glock rocks; NormsRevenge
FYI
48 posted on 11/19/2003 9:47:40 AM PST by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: pabianice
I'd be interested to know if it blocks fas.org

now THERE's a weapons site!!
49 posted on 11/19/2003 10:07:42 AM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: pabianice
AAARGH!! I just downloaded Norton 2004 anti-virus. Damnit!
50 posted on 11/19/2003 10:09:22 AM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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