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Did Ashcroft go too far in Greenpeace indictment?
Bergen Record ^ | Tuesday, November 4, 2003 | JONATHAN TURLEY

Posted on 11/04/2003 1:43:04 PM PST by dead

Edited on 11/06/2003 3:25:41 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

IT HAS lain dormant in the darkest recesses of American law for 125 years, but last month Attorney General John Ashcroft introduced critics of the administration to his latest weapon in law enforcement.

In a Miami federal court, the attorney general charged the environmental group Greenpeace under an obscure 1872 law originally intended to end the practice of "sailor-mongering," or the luring of sailors with liquor and prostitutes from their ships. Ashcroft plucked the law from obscurity to punish Greenpeace for boarding a vessel near port in Miami.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doj; ecoterror; environment; globalwarminghoax; greenpeace; greenspirit; johnashcroft; jonathanturley; patrickmoore; sailormongering
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Greenpeace is annoying, but Ashcroft is dangerous.
1 posted on 11/04/2003 1:43:07 PM PST by dead
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To: dead
Did Ashcroft go too far in Greenpeace indictment?

No.

Next question.

2 posted on 11/04/2003 1:46:12 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: dead
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
3 posted on 11/04/2003 1:46:38 PM PST by Neanderthal
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To: dead
Ashcroft dangerous? Perhaps he's looking at the wrong law book. Supposedly there are laws against being boarded. Piracy, I think it's called....
4 posted on 11/04/2003 1:47:02 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Liberalism - Better Living through Histrionics )
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To: dead
STOP THE PRESS GANGS!
5 posted on 11/04/2003 1:47:46 PM PST by JAWs
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Screw Greenpeace. I'll take Ashcroft.
6 posted on 11/04/2003 1:48:31 PM PST by TheBigB (Check out my new pic at the FReeper Photo Album home page!)
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To: dead
I like the resourcefulness. I enjoy my freedom, but if they had boarded my means of providing for my family, they'd have been shot.
7 posted on 11/04/2003 1:48:31 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Government money = government control)
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To: Neanderthal
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Are you maintaining that Greenpeace actually mongered some sailors?

8 posted on 11/04/2003 1:48:51 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
"Ashcroft's jihad against free speech, however, is not limited to environmentalists. Consider the case of three Dominican nuns. Last year, Sister Ardeth Platte, 66, Sister Jackie Hudson, 68, and Sister Carol Gilbert, 55, participated in a peaceful demonstration for nuclear disarmament."

"As part of the protest, the three nuns cut through a chain-link fence around a Minuteman III missile silo. There is only a light fence because the missile is protected by a 110-ton concrete cap designed to withstand a nuclear explosion. The nuns proceeded to paint crosses on the cap and symbolically hit it with hammers. They then knelt, prayed, sang religious songs, and waited for arrest. The most the government could allege in terms of damage was $3,000."

Soooo....Jonathon Turkey.....if a pro-life person as much as TOUCHED an abortion clinic what would happen?

9 posted on 11/04/2003 1:49:36 PM PST by goodnesswins (Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free.)
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To: TheBigB; Behind Liberal Lines
Screw Greenpeace. I'll take Ashcroft.

Don’t bitch when Hillary’s president and Andrew Cuomo’s the AG selectively enforcing sailor mongering laws on abortion protestors or the NRA.

10 posted on 11/04/2003 1:51:05 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
If the law is bad, it should be abolished.

Many don't like enforcing immigration laws either, but it doesn't mean others should ignore it.
11 posted on 11/04/2003 1:51:43 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: TheBigB
Screw Greenpeace. I'll take Ashcroft.

DITTO!!

12 posted on 11/04/2003 1:51:48 PM PST by saminfl
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To: dead
"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Are you maintaining that Greenpeace actually mongered some sailors?"

I'm referring to the nuns literally. Ashcroft says Greenpeace broke the mongering law, and should "do the time" as well.

13 posted on 11/04/2003 1:52:51 PM PST by Neanderthal
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To: dead
Liberals don't mind when anti-abortion protesters are persecuted and arrested. But they sure don't like it when their groups are threatened.
14 posted on 11/04/2003 1:52:52 PM PST by CHUCKfromCAL
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To: dead
They should be charged under maritime law for illegal boarding and given the stiffest punishment possible; preferably hanging.

Shoot, GreenPeace certainly isn't complaining about Chirac ordering the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior these days (which killed one GreenPeace sailor), so they should hardly mind any other such punishments.

15 posted on 11/04/2003 1:52:52 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: dead
Liberals don't mind when anti-abortion protesters are persecuted and arrested. But they sure don't like it when their groups are threatened.
16 posted on 11/04/2003 1:52:57 PM PST by CHUCKfromCAL
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Greenpeace could lose its tax-exempt status - a potential death knell

Yeeeee-haaawwwwwww!

17 posted on 11/04/2003 1:53:19 PM PST by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: dead
>> Greenpeace is annoying, but Ashcroft is dangerous.

Greenpeace is trash. Ashcroft is the trash man.
18 posted on 11/04/2003 1:53:19 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: CHUCKfromCAL
Liberals don't mind when anti-abortion protesters are persecuted and arrested. But they sure don't like it when their groups are threatened.

Well I’m not liberal. Nor am I as inconsistent as many on this thread.

I don’t support the selective political enforcement of laws against Greenpeace or Operation Rescue.

19 posted on 11/04/2003 1:54:45 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
I like the way the article gracefully ellides over the fact that the ship was not engaged in the illegal activity that the Greenpeace pirates proffered as their excuse for interfering with its operations.
20 posted on 11/04/2003 1:55:07 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: dead
Not only is the law being used to prosecute one of the administration's most vocal critics in an unprecedented attack on the First Amendment . . .

If criminal trespass is protected as "free speech" in this country, then I expect the Bergen Record to provide moral and financial support to the person who burns their office to the ground to protest their idiotic articles.

/sarcasm off/

21 posted on 11/04/2003 1:55:16 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("To freedom, Alberta, horses . . . and women!")
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To: TheBigB
Screw Greenpeace. I'll take Ashcroft.

GreenPeace = EnviroTerrorist

22 posted on 11/04/2003 1:56:05 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: dead
The 1872 law is a legal relic that must have required much archeological digging through law books to find.

I found this pretty quickly, and it looks like it might be the applicable law -- easily found in the current printing of the U.S. Code:

18 U.S.C. 2194 - Shanghaiing sailors

Whoever, with intent that any person shall perform service or labor of any kind on board of any vessel engaged in trade and commerce among the several States or with foreign nations, or on board of any vessel of the United States engaged in navigating the high seas or any navigable water of the United States, procures or induces, or attempts to procure or induce, another, by force or threats or by representations which he knows or believes to be untrue, or while the person so procured or induced is intoxicated or under the influence of any drug, to go on board of any such vessel, or to sign or in anywise enter into any agreement to go on board of any such vessel to perform service or labor thereon; or

Whoever knowingly detains on board of any such vessel any person so procured or induced to go on board, or to enter into any agreement to go on board, by any means herein defined -

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both

It may be the one Ashcroft is using, and if so, it seems a stretch.

More importantly, can you say "Shanghaiing" anymore?

23 posted on 11/04/2003 1:56:05 PM PST by Darth Reagan
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To: dead
Don’t bitch when Hillary’s president and Andrew Cuomo’s the AG selectively enforcing sailor mongering laws on abortion protestors or the NRA.

Since neither of those will ever happen, I will have no opportunity to bitch. Thanks anyhoo.

24 posted on 11/04/2003 1:56:05 PM PST by TheBigB (Check out my new pic at the FReeper Photo Album home page!)
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To: dead
So who clunked Jonathan Turley on the head and made him lose all reason?

He used to sound so sensible, despite his democrat affiliation.

Invading the boat physically goes beyond "free speech" and I am not alarmed that such action is being prosecuted.
25 posted on 11/04/2003 1:56:05 PM PST by cyncooper
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Don’t bitch when Hillary’s president and Andrew Cuomo’s the AG selectively enforcing sailor mongering laws on abortion protestors or the NRA.

Y'mean like Janet Reno did under Clinton?

26 posted on 11/04/2003 1:57:47 PM PST by Prime Choice (I want to be immortal. Then I'll never have to vote Democrat.)
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I fail to see why they are't being charged with piracy.

I won't shed a tear to see Greenpeace lose their tax-exempt status. Perhaps if the American Left gets a taste of tyranny they'll find the Right's objections to their interpretation of select Constitutional Amendments out of existence more relevant.
27 posted on 11/04/2003 1:58:03 PM PST by Abe Froman
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Don’t bitch when Hillary’s president and Andrew Cuomo’s the AG selectively enforcing sailor mongering laws on abortion protestors or the NRA.

Please, don't even joke about that, I'll have nightmares.

28 posted on 11/04/2003 1:58:10 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: dead
Good for Ashcroft!Any means at all to nail enviro-wackos is fine with me.
29 posted on 11/04/2003 1:58:45 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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Hmmm...GreenPEACE...Religion of PEACE...hmmmm...

There's a satire just waiting to happen here somewhere...hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

30 posted on 11/04/2003 1:59:35 PM PST by Prime Choice (I want to be immortal. Then I'll never have to vote Democrat.)
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"Greenpeace is annoying, but Ashcroft is dangerous."

That kind of "dangerous" we need MORE of. I'd love to see GreenPeace litigated out of existence the same way they and other left wing focus groups such as PETA routinely do to those they target.

At least this AG is closer to the correct targets then Reno and her crusade against a Bible study group that happened to have guns on the premises and an evil "white separtist" who just wanted to live in the backwoods and be left alone.

31 posted on 11/04/2003 2:00:16 PM PST by EUPHORIC (Right? Left? Read Ecclesiastes 10:2 for a definition. The Bible knows all about it!)
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To: dead
He is after the bad guys. The court will decide if the old anciend etc law is the law. The court will decide if GreenPeace broke it.

Death by small cuts is the way to bleed them to death.
32 posted on 11/04/2003 2:00:25 PM PST by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: Alberta's Child
If criminal trespass is protected as "free speech" in this country, then I expect the Bergen Record to provide moral and financial support to the person who burns their office to the ground to protest their idiotic articles.

Can you even read?

They plead guilty to misdemeanor trespass charges and were released (I assume they paid a fine).

Fifteen months later, Ashcroft bought “sailor mongering” charges against their organization. If you can think of some reason that isn’t political for his actions, please share.

And they didn’t burn anything down, so I have no idea why you brought that up.

33 posted on 11/04/2003 2:02:45 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
Poor Greenpeace, those jolly pranksters sailing about the ocean wide. Here's what they are -



Gerard Jackson
Melbourne: Australia
BrookesNews.Com
Thursday 20 March 2003


Much as Greenpeace has tried to cover up, with the help of sympathetic journalists, its Soviet links, it is a matter of public record that during the 1980s the Soviets helped Greenpeace raise funds in return for which it helped the Soviets plan propaganda campaigns.

During the 80s the Soviets helped Greenpeace raise funds, while the environmentalist group helps formulate Soviet propaganda. It appears, however, that cooperation did not stop with just aiding the Soviet propaganda onslaught against the West.

Greenpeace made Fernando Pereira it official photographer. But Pereira had been and important member of the Stasi-backed Baader-Meinhof gang, a Marxist-Leninist terrorist group. The Dutch Communist Party later made him editor of its paper Der Waarheld. Eventually he was arrest by Dutch intelligence as a Soviet agent.

(The view that Greenpeace is evidently not bothered by certain brands of terrorism was given additional weight when it not only supported the eco-terrorist group Earth First but its cofounder Michael Roselle payroll).

Pereira was brought to Greenpeace by the World Peace Council, another Soviet front whose chairman, Chandra Romesh, was a Soviet agent.

So what was Greenpeace doing hiring a Soviet agent who had been an active member of a terrorist organisation? Well, do not bother asking, because Greenpeace ain't saying. But in case anyone thinks an innocent Greenpeace had been taken for a ride by cunning Soviet agents I should direct to attention to those KGB dregs that Greenpeace is still knowingly collaborating with.

William Arkin is the director of the Nuclear Information unit at Greenpeace. He was also a member of the Marxist-Leninist Washington-based IPS (Institute of Policy Studies). The IPS is notorious for having supported every communist regime that ever existed, including every leftwing terrorist organisation I can think of. It was so brazen in its support of the Soviets it even allowed KGB operatives to work in its Washington Office.

Brian Crozier (a highly respected commentator on intelligence matters and a fellow of the prestigious Institute for the Study of Conflict) summed up the real role of the IPS when he wrote:

"The IPS is the perfect intellectual front for Soviet activities which would be resisted if they were too originate openly from the KGB."

Another Greenpeace collaborator is the National Lawyers Guild. This Marxist-Leninist front for the Soviets was set up in 1936 by a caucus of the American Communist Party (CPUSA) which was helped at the time by the International Labor Defence, which in turn was an agency of the Comintern (Communist International).

Greenpeace is also in bed with the CCR (Centre for Constitutional Rights) which was co-founded by pro-Soviet lawyers William Kuntsler and Arthur Kinoy. This pair never saw a communist totalitarian state they did not like. Michael Ratner is the organisation's current president and a notorious fellow traveller who blames the US — you guessed it — for terrorism.

The Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy is another longstanding friend of the water melons (green on the outside, red on the inside) that run Greenpeace. The IPS was instrumental in setting up SANE to oppose resistance to Soviet aggression. To make this organisation's pro-Soviet activities more effective Greenpeace helped it build a computer network to coordinate its anti-American activities.




If you want more, I can also post Greenpeace's racist connections.
34 posted on 11/04/2003 2:02:45 PM PST by sergeantdave (You will be judged by 12 people who were too stupid to get out of jury duty)
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To: dead
Turley is the same lawyer who accused AG Ashcroft of building "internment camps."
35 posted on 11/04/2003 2:04:24 PM PST by donozark
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To: Prime Choice
Y'mean like Janet Reno did under Clinton?

Exactly. And I remember the dingbats on the left who cheered the abuse of power because it favored their political agenda.

36 posted on 11/04/2003 2:04:24 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Abe Froman
18 U.S.C. 1651. - Piracy under law of nations

Whoever, on the high seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterwards brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life

18 U.S.C. 1652. - Citizens as pirates

Whoever, being a citizen of the United States, commits any murder or robbery, or any act of hostility against the United States, or against any citizen thereof, on the high seas, under color of any commission from any foreign prince, or state, or on pretense of authority from any person, is a pirate, and shall be imprisoned for life

37 posted on 11/04/2003 2:04:35 PM PST by Darth Reagan
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To: farmfriend
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38 posted on 11/04/2003 2:04:46 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: dead
Hillary Clinton is far more inimical to freedom than a whole deck full of Ashcrofts.
39 posted on 11/04/2003 2:05:24 PM PST by George Smiley (Is the RKBA still a right if you have to get the government's permission before you can exercise it?)
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To: dead
I don't know much about maritime law, but if people board your boat without permission, aren't you allowed to shoot them?
40 posted on 11/04/2003 2:07:49 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: dead
This isn't the first time he's pulled something like this. Back when he was as Missouri's AG he argued a NOW boycott of his state was an anti-trust violation !!!!
41 posted on 11/04/2003 2:10:33 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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To: dead
an obscure 1872 law

What?

Does that mean that the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001 wasn't enough.

42 posted on 11/04/2003 2:10:49 PM PST by MosesKnows
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Ashcroft is the trash man

Ashcroft is trashing the Constitution. Greenpeace could be prosecuted under modern maritime law with no problem.

That he chose to use an obscure and outdated anti Shanghai law leads me to believe that the man is mentally unbalanced, or is deliberately helping the socialist cause.
43 posted on 11/04/2003 2:16:53 PM PST by LittleJoe
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To: sergeantdave
Thank you for this info.
44 posted on 11/04/2003 2:20:04 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (CCCP = clinton, chiraq, chretien, and putin = stalin wannabes)
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To: dead
Every time Ashcroft unveils the results of one of his innovative long term crime busting schemes, terrorists everywhere laugh and give each other high fives.

SO9

45 posted on 11/04/2003 2:24:15 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (The voices tell me to stay home and clean the guns.)
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Ashcroft is annoying, but Greenpeace is dangerous.

And these protestors, did they board that vessel against the wishes of her master?

Pirates, that's what they were.
Hang them.

46 posted on 11/04/2003 2:24:45 PM PST by tet68 (Patrick Henry ......."Who fears the wrath of cowards?")
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Greenpeace is annoying, but Ashcroft is dangerous.

Did it ever occur to you that terrorists could put on a greenpeace jacket and put the llves of many people in jepordy?

47 posted on 11/04/2003 2:25:56 PM PST by hgro
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Pirates, that's what they were.

Then why didn’t he charge them with piracy, genius?

48 posted on 11/04/2003 2:26:31 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Did Ashcroft go too far in Greenpeace indictment?

No. Strike that... Hell no.

49 posted on 11/04/2003 2:26:31 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: dead
Exactly. And I remember the dingbats on the left who cheered the abuse of power because it favored their political agenda.

I don't really see this as an abuse of power. Greenpeace does not have a right to board vessels at will. They may buzz them in their boats and hold up signs to their heart's content, but they crossed the line when they boarded that ship.

Remember that one's right to swing one's fists ends where the other guy's nose begins.

50 posted on 11/04/2003 2:27:31 PM PST by Prime Choice (I want to be immortal. Then I'll never have to vote Democrat.)
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