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Why must we pretend the 40th president was alert and engaged?
Slate ^ | Timothy Noah

Posted on 11/07/2003 6:23:36 AM PST by CC Bonnocco

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To: CC Bonnocco
Donald Regan in For the Record: In the four years that I served as Secretary of the Treasury I never saw President Reagan alone and never discussed economic philosophy or fiscal and monetary policy with him one-on-one. From first day to last at Treasury, I was flying by the seat of my pants. The President never told me what he believed or what he wanted to accomplish in the field of economics.

DUH! Does the concept of TAX CUTS ring a bell DONALD REGAN? Talk about "disengaged"...here is a putz who somehow didn't notice the largest tax cut in American history while Secretary of the freakin' Treasury!!!

101 posted on 11/07/2003 7:47:41 AM PST by montag813 (Fire Tenet...Jail Joseph Wilson...Rally 'Round Our President, Dammit!!!)
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To: CC Bonnocco

ZOT!!

102 posted on 11/07/2003 7:48:35 AM PST by 4mycountry (Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.)
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To: montag813
...economic philosophy or fiscal and monetary policy with him one-on-one. From first day to last at Treasury, I was flying by the seat of my pants

He must have been flying by the seat of his pants if, even after heading the agency, he did not realize that "economic philosophy or fiscal and monetary policy" have nothing to do whith the Treasury Department.

103 posted on 11/07/2003 7:51:30 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: CC Bonnocco
Wrong, asshat.

Volcker set the stage for the end of Carter's stagflation with his tight monetary policy, but it was Reagan's tax relief package which laid the groundwork for non-inflationary expansion.

Like it or not, Reagan's tax package put hundreds of billions of dollars in the capable hands of American consumers. Reagan's tax relief package doubled the amount of money coming into the exchequer. The proof that it works? Let's look at the Clinton economy of ten years later. After the 1991 recession, the economy accelerated and tax receipts began to pour into the Treasury. Clinton raised taxes at the margin, but did NOT repeal the Reagan cuts. Indeed, the Clinton tax increases were more than offset by the agreement between the Sink Emperor and the Republicans to slash capital gains to 28% in 1994. That measure, and the election of a Republican Congress, helped to usher in the 1995-1999 boom in stock prices and general wealth.

Supply side economics works. Democrats just don't like to admit that it works, even when their own guy succeeds with it.

Government doesn't create wealth. People do. That's the difference between you and us.

But then again, as a liberal, you would tend to believe that the State is the master, not the servant, of the governed.

As to Noah, his contention has been more than put paid to by Reagan's own letters, and the success of his economic and foreign policies. Timmy's just leaving a steaming pile in middle of the parade, that's all.

By the way, nice bit of trolling.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

104 posted on 11/07/2003 7:52:50 AM PST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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To: Judith Anne
When did the Gipper become St. Ronald?

When the wall came down. Next question.

105 posted on 11/07/2003 7:55:30 AM PST by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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To: CC Bonnocco
CC Bonnocco

Member since...............well, today!

You extreme, whacked out libs make it to easy for us to spot you. You join and 2 minutes later post something mean spirited and slanderous, something that most Concservatives know to be untrue.

You are a typical DU low life. Posting crap like this, Democratic crap, hitting a dying man.

What do you Dims think this gets you? Maybe you and your cohorts at DU are sitting in your cave and come up with this great idea. Let's join FR, post this article and the dimwit conservatives will believe it and some will change their minds about Reagan. Pretty much tells us about your IQ.

Unlike libs, Conservatives will protect those that cannot protect themselves. Attack Reagan with lies? Prepare for the FR onslaught. Attack a great, dying man and his family? Prepare to be nuked, FR style.

Yeah, your a real hero. Bet your two mommies are proud of you. / Sarcasm>

106 posted on 11/07/2003 7:59:44 AM PST by technomage
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To: j_tull; Tree of Liberty; Puppage
Still, he only gets a sub and not a carrier. I wonder if that is some kind of slight by the Navy, his old service. Despite the bravery of our submariners, it is a carrier Naval force.
107 posted on 11/07/2003 8:02:29 AM PST by DeuceTraveler
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To: CC Bonnocco
      

"Behold the disruptor's name."

108 posted on 11/07/2003 8:03:23 AM PST by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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To: CC Bonnocco
Talk anout pantloads. It was the monetary policies of Volcker that ended the inflation, and Jimmy Carter is the one with the foresight to appoint him.

Better check your own trousers, pal.

In a nutshell, Volker was appointed in 79, but the Fed didn't drop the prime rate below double digits until mid 85.

On the other hand, Reaganomics kicked in mid to late 81. Inflation dropped into single digits in mid 82 and continued dropping into 83.

Given this it wouldn't it be at least a little prudent to admit Reaganomics might have had something to do with defeating inflation?

109 posted on 11/07/2003 8:04:16 AM PST by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: CC Bonnocco
Ok, since you are very in tune with political history, I'll ask you to name this tax cutting politician:

Now the time has come to make the most of our gains - to translate the renewal of our national strength into the achievement of our national purpose.

America has enjoyed 22 months of uninterrupted economic recovery. But recovery is not enough. If we are to prevail in the long run, we must expand the long-run strength of our economy. We must move along the path to a higher rate of growth and full employment.

For this would mean tens of billions of dollars more each year in production, profits, wages, and public revenues. It would mean an end to the persistent slack which has kept our unemployment at or above 5 percent for 61 out of the past 62 months - and an end to the growing pressures for such restrictive measures as the 35-hour week, which alone could increase hourly labor costs by as much as 14 percent, start a new wage-price spiral of inflation, and undercut our efforts to compete with other nations.

To achieve these greater gains, one step, above all, is essential - the enactment this year of a substantial reduction and revision in Federal income taxes.

For it is increasingly clear - to those in Government, business, and labor who are responsible for our economy's success - that our obsolete tax system exerts too heavy a drag on private purchasing power, profits, and employment. Designed to check inflation in earlier years, it now checks growth instead. It discourages extra effort and risk. It distorts the use of resources. It invites recurrent recessions, depresses our Federal revenues, and causes chronic budget deficits.

...

I do not say that a measure for tax reduction and reform is the only way to achieve these goals.

No doubt a massive increase in Federal spending could also create jobs and growth - but, in today's setting, private consumers, employers, and investors should be given a full opportunity first.

No doubt a temporary tax cut could provide a spur to our economy - but a long-run problem compels a long-run solution.

No doubt a reduction in either individual or corporation taxes alone would be of great help - but corporations need customers and job seekers need jobs.

No doubt tax reduction without reform would sound simpler and more attractive to many - but our growth is also hampered by a host of tax inequities and special preferences which have distorted the flow of investment.

And, finally, there are no doubt some who would prefer to put off a tax cut in the hope that ultimately an end to the cold war would make possible an equivalent cut in expenditures - but that end is not in view and to wait for it would be costly and self-defeating.

110 posted on 11/07/2003 8:05:37 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: CC Bonnocco
"Mr. Garbage-chef: Tear down this wall!!!"

Get a clue...

111 posted on 11/07/2003 8:05:45 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: CC Bonnocco
When did the Gipper become St. Ronald?

Oh...I don't know....86 or 87.

112 posted on 11/07/2003 8:06:07 AM PST by StriperSniper (All this, of course, is simply pious fudge. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: CC Bonnocco
...snore...
113 posted on 11/07/2003 8:08:24 AM PST by backhoe (The 1990's? Forever known as The Decade of Fraud(s)...)
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To: CC Bonnocco
Reagan's genius had three branches:

1. Surround yourself with good men, good people to whom to delegate.
2. Delgate the small stuff.
3. Set the tone; the direction; the goals and philosophy. To claim he was incapable of this is ludicrous.

--Boris

114 posted on 11/07/2003 8:12:01 AM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: CC Bonnocco
Gee, so much garbage in such a litle article. Impressive in its own horrible little way.

The article seems to be centered around this sentence:

But it is troubling that the public, or at least a highly influential segment of it, has apparently ruled any criticism of President Reagan out of bounds.

Let's rip this baby apart, shall we?

"...highly influential segment.." the author refers to the common viewer who makes common purchases from the sponsors of the programming. The common viewer decided that they we're going not going to buy the products of those who were to provide financial support for this slander. Remember the Dr. Laura show? Homosexuals simply didn't want her to express her opinion, so they attacked her sponsors.

"...ruled criticism [out]..." Ruled? Ruled? Who ruled anything? Viewers expressed their opinion. Criticism??? The movie is a fairy tale. It is not based upon any documentation at all. The movie isn't criticism, it is a big LIE. There is no reason why anyone should let a LIE go unchallenged. You can criticize his policies all you want, its been done by the media for years and years now (this is nothing new) and there is no significant boycott of Peter Jennings. But to speculate how Ronald and Nancy interacted in the privacy of their own home is a biased portayal, not a criticism

"...out of bounds." The poor man is DYING. He could very well die on the date that this movie was due to air!! Wouldn't that be great timing! Out of bounds is exactly what this mini-smearies was - in bad taste, with bad timing, without any basis in fact and performed by actors who openly dispise Reagan. You don't even have to like Reagan to recognize that this schlock was "out of bounds".

115 posted on 11/07/2003 8:15:41 AM PST by kidd
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To: Petronski
Why must whiny DUmbass leftists always INSIST that Reagan was not alert or engaged?

They say that about anybody that disagrees with their socialist world-view. When you have no case, attack the person. That's their motto.

116 posted on 11/07/2003 8:16:07 AM PST by meyer
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To: CC Bonnocco
Is that you, Tuco-bad?

Or should I say was that you??? :)

117 posted on 11/07/2003 8:18:36 AM PST by meyer
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To: CC Bonnocco
How many airports ans aircraft carriers are named after BJB?
118 posted on 11/07/2003 8:23:06 AM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: DeuceTraveler
IIRC, Carter was a submariner. Nucular engineer, or somesuch.

Snidely

119 posted on 11/07/2003 8:25:40 AM PST by Snidely Whiplash
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To: skeeter
In a nutshell, Volker was appointed in 79, but the Fed didn't drop the prime rate below double digits until mid 85.

On the other hand, Reaganomics kicked in mid to late 81. Inflation dropped into single digits in mid 82 and continued dropping into 83.

Given this it wouldn't it be at least a little prudent to admit Reaganomics might have had something to do with defeating inflation?

Bananna Head is practicing the art of taking two unrelated factoids and trying to tie them together as cause-and-effect. Volcher's presence was irrelevent here.

120 posted on 11/07/2003 8:26:04 AM PST by meyer
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