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Author of Saudi Curriculums Advocates Slavery ("Slavery is a part of Islam," prominent scholar says)
Saudi Information Agency ^ | Nov. 7, 2003 | Ali Al-Ahmed

Posted on 11/09/2003 10:36:09 AM PST by Alouette

(Washington)… November 7, 2003 …The main author of the Saudi religious curriculum expressed his unequivocal support for the legalization of slavery in one of his lectures recorded on a cassette and obtained exclusively by SIA news.

Leading government cleric Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan is the author of the religious books currently used to teach 5 million Saudi students, both within the and in Saudi schools aboard – including those in the Washington, D.C. metro area.

“Slavery is a part of Islam,” he says in the tape, adding: “Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.”

Government spokesman Adel Al-Jubeir and other officials have repeatedly claimed religious curriculums are being reformed, but Al-Fawzan’s books continued to be used according to the minister of education’s statements published by Al-Watan daily September 14th, 2003.

Al-Fawzan is member of the Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabia’s highest religious body, a member of the Council of Religious Edicts and Research, the Imam of Prince Mitaeb Mosque in Riyadh, and a professor at Imam Mohamed Bin Saud Islamic University, the main Wahhabi center of learning in the country.

Al-Fawzan refuted the mainstream Muslim interpretation that Islam worked to abolish slavery by introducing equality between the races.

“They are ignorant, not scholars,” he said of people who express such opinions. “They are merely writers. Whoever says such things is an infidel.”

Al-Fawzan’s most famous book, “Al-Tawheed – Monotheism”, is taught to Saudi high school students. In it, he says that most Muslims are polytheists, and their blood and money are therefore free for the taking by “true Muslims.”

Among Al-Fawzan’s other controversial beliefs is the right to ban the marriage of Arab women to non- Arab Muslims, according to his book “Al-Mulkhas Al-Fiqhee” (“Digest of Law”). He has also issued a fatwa forbidden the watching of TV.

Al-Fwazan is also is a leading opponent of those who seek to introduce change to the Saudi school curriculum. He also claimed that elections and demonstrations are western imitations.

According to Saudi liberal writer and scholar Sheikh Hassan Al-Maliki, Al-Fawzan threatened him with beheading if he continued in his criticism of the extremist Wahhabi interpretation of Islam. Al-Maliki, who worked for the ministry of education, was fired after he wrote a 50- page paper criticizing Al-Fawzan’s book “Al-Tawheed”.


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You can't make this stuff up, people.
1 posted on 11/09/2003 10:36:09 AM PST by Alouette
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To: 1bigdictator; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2sheep; a_witness; adam_az; af_vet_rr; agrace; ...
FRmail me to be added or removed from this pro-Israel ping list.


2 posted on 11/09/2003 10:37:06 AM PST by Alouette (I have 9 kids)
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To: Alouette
Another blackmark...
3 posted on 11/09/2003 10:40:51 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Black conservative ping

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Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

4 posted on 11/09/2003 10:42:59 AM PST by mhking
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To: mhking
Black conservative ping

You should also call you Just Damn list.

5 posted on 11/09/2003 10:45:10 AM PST by Alouette (I have 9 kids)
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To: Alouette
On a similar note...

http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/leftovers/showpics.cgi?religion_of_peace
6 posted on 11/09/2003 10:47:17 AM PST by Prime Choice (The judiciary is supposed to be 1/3rd of the checks and balances; not a special interest trump card.)
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To: Dallas59
In Bernard Lewis' book "What went wrong," he catalouges this very issue. Since slavery is mentioned Koran with Muhammed's approval up till recently the thought of outlawing slavery was akin to sacrilige. It took the might of WESTERN British Empire to cut that nonsense off.
7 posted on 11/09/2003 10:47:51 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Alouette
The rock has been turned over. Fortunately this slime can't stand exopsure to sunlight.
8 posted on 11/09/2003 10:49:52 AM PST by js1138
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To: Alouette
“Slavery is a part of Islam,” he says in the tape, adding: “Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.”

I'm sure that they must have skipped this part when trying to convert black convicts in prison ..... something tells me that they may have a problem with this.

Never met a black man that was ever comfortable with the idea of slavery in any form.

9 posted on 11/09/2003 10:50:49 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
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To: Alouette
Wonder what Farrakhan thinks about this.
10 posted on 11/09/2003 10:52:16 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
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To: Alouette
Al-Fawzan refuted the mainstream Muslim interpretation that Islam worked to abolish
slavery by introducing equality between the races.


IIRC, the prohibition on slavery wasn't enacted in Saudi Arabia until...
1962.

I still think it horrid that American Southerners who went to church each Sunday
had to be convinced by war to give up the practice of slavery...
but many Muslims are still enamored of the concept at this late date.
11 posted on 11/09/2003 10:52:33 AM PST by VOA
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To: KantianBurke
Slavery in Saudi was only abolished in 1968
12 posted on 11/09/2003 10:52:54 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
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To: Centurion2000
Black muslims have been able to ignore the fact that slave traders were muslims so far. No doubt convinced themselves that is a white lie or, er, should I say, a lie perpetrated by whites.
13 posted on 11/09/2003 10:53:31 AM PST by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: Alouette
Calling Rev. AL, calling Rev. Je$$e...please report to the nearest airport for departure to muslim mid-east. You are needed to reeducate the peaceful relgion. Reparations should be pursued if possible. That is all.
14 posted on 11/09/2003 10:55:33 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Centurion2000
let me rephrase then - the Brits forced most of the Middle East to cease slave trading and owning from Africa, Europe and Christians of the Middle East. Slave owning of those from the east was winked at.
15 posted on 11/09/2003 10:57:31 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Centurion2000
Never met a black man that was ever comfortable with the idea of slavery in any form.

Do you mean a black Americans or do you include Africans, not that I would have expected you to meet meny of them?

16 posted on 11/09/2003 10:58:41 AM PST by nosofar
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To: KantianBurke
no correction needed ... I was just stating the fact to let you know about it ...

islam is starting to show itself as the dirtiest religion invented .... let's hope the mask slips further off.

17 posted on 11/09/2003 10:59:59 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
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To: VOA
had to be convinced by war to give up the practice of slavery...

They didn't. Abolitionist movements led by Christians in the North and South would have had slavery eradicated in the United States within another 20-30 years. The Civil War was about states rights, not slavery.

18 posted on 11/09/2003 11:00:03 AM PST by xrp
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To: Alouette
"Slavery is a part of Islam," he says in the tape, adding: "Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam."

Hmmmm. Seems like a "whereas" clause in our revised Foreign Policy Mission Statement.

19 posted on 11/09/2003 11:02:34 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: Alouette
Is Lew Rockwell in Saudi speak = to Ali Al-Ahmed?

20 posted on 11/09/2003 11:06:26 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("If you can read this, thank a teacher!....Since it is in English, thank a Veteran!")
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To: Alouette
"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are round about you." (Leviticus 25:44)

"If a man lies carnally with a woman who is a slave, betrothed to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, an inquiry shall be held. They shall not be put to death, because she was not free" (Leviticus 19:20)

"When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money." (Exodus 21:20-21)

"When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing." (Exodus 21:2)

"O slave! Obey your masters in body with fear and trembling in your hearts as you do for Christ, not deceiving the eye as those who please people, but as slaves of Christ working God's will, serving with good intention as for God, not for people, knowing that whatever good you do, it will be accepted by God weather you were free or slave." (Ephesians1 6:5)

"Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed." (Timothy I 6:1)

21 posted on 11/09/2003 11:09:57 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: nosofar
Never met a black man that was ever comfortable with the idea of slavery in any form.

Do you mean a black Americans or do you include Africans, not that I would have expected you to meet meny of them?

Any of them really .... I've actually met a lot of Nigerians in my college days ....

Nice guys but chivalry is not exactly up on their list of things to do ....

And they all spoke letter perfect English.

22 posted on 11/09/2003 11:10:29 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
You're not really that ignorant, are you?
23 posted on 11/09/2003 11:29:19 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Centurion2000
"Wonder what Farrakhan thinks about this."

Good one.

I wonder why the dont stand at the US Anthem but do love Islam and its love of slavery.

Islam also tolerates murder.

In Saudi they just targeted their own fellow Islam Arabs CHILDREN.

The adults seem to worship in the evening during this satanic time called rama damn while its only the children that are at home.

24 posted on 11/09/2003 11:31:10 AM PST by Kay Soze ('Tis safer in the Suni triangle than in liberally controlled Los Angeles.)
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To: onedoug
No, I can read. Can't you?
25 posted on 11/09/2003 11:32:34 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Care to name any Christian or Jewish clergy LIVING TODAY who endorse slavery?
26 posted on 11/09/2003 11:39:00 AM PST by Alouette (I have 9 kids)
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To: KantianBurke
"It took the might of WESTERN British Empire to cut that nonsense off."

Yup, the Brits stationed the most powerful fleet in the world off the African coast to stop slavery.

27 posted on 11/09/2003 11:42:51 AM PST by blam
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To: Cultural Jihad
I am not a biblical scholar so I cannot presume the context these refer to.

But I don't know that we have moved well beyond this as Christians.

Islam has not advanced in any human or Godly endeavors nor has its practitioners.
28 posted on 11/09/2003 11:45:27 AM PST by Kay Soze ('Tis safer in the Suni triangle than in liberally controlled Los Angeles.)
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To: Alouette
“Slavery is a part of Islam,” he says in the tape, adding: “Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.”

From his own mouth he has stated what must be done. To merge his own words with a quote from old "Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam - Then let it exist no more! So let it be written so let it be done!"

29 posted on 11/09/2003 11:51:13 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Kay Soze
don't should read "do" .

I also am waiting for a current web link to an article written by a man of similar authority within the Christian circles advocating slavery.

just one.

Should not take more than a few minutes via google.


30 posted on 11/09/2003 11:52:53 AM PST by Kay Soze ('Tis safer in the Suni triangle than in liberally controlled Los Angeles.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Al-Maliki, who worked for the ministry of education, was fired after he wrote a 50- page paper criticizing Al-Fawzan’s book “Al-Tawheed”.

31 posted on 11/09/2003 11:54:29 AM PST by Kay Soze ('Tis safer in the Suni triangle than in liberally controlled Los Angeles.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Then you should know the differences in how the ancient Hebrews anchored Western civilization and today. Temple sacrifice and polygamy are no longer practiced therein either.
32 posted on 11/09/2003 11:58:12 AM PST by onedoug
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To: blam
No they had no need to position their fleet.

We as the single most powerful and technologically advanced nation the planet has yet seen cannot patrol a much smaller area (Mexican border) with any degree of success.

More efficient was to go to the source- the desire for slavery and attack it there.
33 posted on 11/09/2003 12:00:31 PM PST by Kay Soze ('Tis safer in the Suni triangle than in liberally controlled Los Angeles.)
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To: Alouette
“Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam are infidels.”

Conform or die.

34 posted on 11/09/2003 12:09:35 PM PST by weegee
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To: VOA
I still think it horrid that American Southerners who went to church each Sunday had to be convinced by war to give up the practice of slavery..

Are you working for Dean. For one to tar every southern person with this statement is outrageous.

35 posted on 11/09/2003 12:12:17 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: xrp
They didn't. Abolitionist movements led by Christians in the North and South would have had slavery eradicated in the United States within another 20-30 years. The Civil War was about states rights, not slavery.

Shhh! You're not allowed to say that because we, the sheeple, don't want it to be true.
36 posted on 11/09/2003 12:24:58 PM PST by Thoro ("No one's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session."-Samuel Clemens)
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To: Alouette
“Slavery is a part of Islam,” he says in the tape, adding: “Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.”

Of course that's not really what he meant.
Just ask President Bush and our State Department.

As for me, I would respond that if slavery is inevitable, I would rather the sandmaggots be the slaves.
Historically, the losers have always been.

37 posted on 11/09/2003 12:54:30 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: KantianBurke
It took the might of WESTERN British Empire to cut that nonsense off.

It did?
Why, then, does it still exist?

38 posted on 11/09/2003 1:25:43 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Publius6961
see post #15
39 posted on 11/09/2003 1:29:46 PM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Cultural Jihad
What a banal post.

Comparing 2000 year-old customs to contemporary ones.

Really an intellectual tour de force.

40 posted on 11/09/2003 1:37:13 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Centurion2000
"Wonder what Farrakhan thinks about this."

Farrakhan hasn't "thought" about anything, in decades....
He is at one extreme of the "enslaved blacks" and Jesse Jackson has the other extreme of Democrat "plantation blacks"....
Semper Fi

41 posted on 11/09/2003 1:40:24 PM PST by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: Alouette
"Leading government cleric Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan is the author of the religious books currently used to teach 5 million Saudi students, both within the and in Saudi schools aboard – including those in the Washington, D.C. metro area.

“Slavery is a part of Islam,” he says in the tape, adding: “Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.

Sure makes a strong case for the destruction of a WHOLE lot of lunatics.....

Semper Fi

42 posted on 11/09/2003 1:43:35 PM PST by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: VOA
Whether the Saudi's "officially" banned slavery means noting, as slavery is rampant in the country today.
43 posted on 11/09/2003 1:46:31 PM PST by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Funny how you don't see slavery in predominantly Chrisitan countries today, but there is slavery in just about every Mohammedan country today.

44 posted on 11/09/2003 1:48:23 PM PST by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: VOA
Also, the vast majority of Southerners were not slave owners.
45 posted on 11/09/2003 1:50:06 PM PST by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: Publius6961
Please don't encourage the trolls. CJ may be a regular, but if it smells like a troll and sounds like a troll, it's a troll.

Anyone can cut and paste from almost any book to support thier postion. I could use a Chiltons automotive repair manual to support the assertion that horses are made of steel, it doesn't make it true, but it would have written backing.

Just ignore the Christian hating child.

46 posted on 11/09/2003 1:55:39 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (I've been making fine jewelry for years, apparently.)
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To: AD from SpringBay; Centurion2000
Calypso Louie won't be happy about this story!


47 posted on 11/09/2003 2:02:50 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: Centurion2000
Wonder what Farrakhan thinks about this.

I'm sure Calypso Louie is OK with this as long as he can own him some white Christians.

48 posted on 11/09/2003 2:05:31 PM PST by Alouette (I have 9 kids)
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To: Alouette
I could go along with slavery. Might evan like to get me a slave. Maybe about 5feet 2 inches, about 110 pounds, redhead. Large boobs.
49 posted on 11/09/2003 2:17:57 PM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: Thoro
The Civil War was about states rights.

I don't know much about the reasons for a Civil War but what did Pres. Lincoln want the southern states to do or what were the southern states doing that bothered Lincoln?

If the probelm was states rights what did the northern states lose?

What was this lawyer up to?

50 posted on 11/09/2003 2:20:13 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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